Hey, hostile visitors! Do you have an opinion about, for example, Mary Koss’ rape research? Do you want to discuss it even though the topic has not actually come up by itself in any of the threads and none of my recent posts really have much to do with the specifics of anyone’s rape research? Well, from now on you can discuss it here with anyone who wishes to follow you to this thread.
Added bonus: If you continue to try to discuss it in other threads you’ll be banned!
This also applies to future derailers riding hobbyhorses of their own having nothing to do with Koss.
Happy discussing!
Note: If you wish to discuss the topics at hand, you know, topics directly related to my posts and/or to what other people are discussing and that aren’t, you know, personal hobbyhorses of yours that involve long screeds and various things that you’ve probably already cut and pasted into the comments sections of various other websites until you were banned from them for endless derailing and general asswipery, feel free to remain in the original threads.
Gives your brain that minty fresh feeling! You know, like the shitty mouth that feels like you’re rinsing with bleach.
Mouthwash. Wow, that was a hell of a typo.
So much fail on such a simple test. I make a post with a real point and troll bait. No one even seems to have gotten to the real point. You read the troll bait and your brain turned off. First time you see something that does not conform to your preconceived notions, brains turn off and its “BURN THE HERETIC” time. Really the echo chamber effect in here is deafening.
gnl, the point is that there is no “death gap” for men and women working THE SAME JOBS. Idk what you trolls have against citations. Does it reality get in the way of your talking points
GNL: all your shit is troll bait.
Just a friendly reminder that, if you need a citation, PJSP is always accepting submissions.
A WITCH, A WITCH! She turned me into a newt…
Well I got better
In seriousness though, a death gap implies that men die more than women when doing the same thing. Like, childbirth totally has a death gap guys! Women die in childbirth so much more than men! (Yep, cis women, and trans* men, can give birth, but I think it’s safe to say that overall, more cis women die in childbirth than any other group…look, I’m not trying to make a good point here, I’m just thinking out loud!)
And that’s real
NO. Because your post doesn’t make any sense and it isn’t funny and the worms are telling me that your brainspace is warped! Warped! I can smell your attempts at being incredolous and they reek of purple. PURPLE.
If it’s a correlation and not a causation then getting more men into a teaching field will do nothing, because suddenly there’s more women in the other field (assuming stable populations, assuming full employment) and if there is a causation then you are directly saying that women are being paid less than men, so in a field with a large amount of women, there would be less wage than men.
But wait, no, if it’s a correlation of prime factors, the worms tell me this: WOmen are still getting paid less than men, just by a matter of degrees! It correlates that the more women working somewhere, the less they’ll be paid than men in the same fields.
if that was the case then lagha but like the smelly flowers of Pluto, reeking and dead for these ten thousand thousand years, that is not the wage gap. That is the payment for a job. Your post is not troll bait, your post is not a point. My brain didn’t turn of, my brain was treated to a blunt impact of discordant logic and false threads that doesn’t work.
You can’t bait trolls by being a troll. It’s unplusdoublenegative.
Purple.
Prove that I smelled you wrong, oh sparkling one of many butterflies in the stomach.
Fibinachi you’re starting to sound a lot like the TV does in VtM:B when you play as a Malkavian…on one hand, it’s really funny, on the other, terrifying.
Go talk to a stop sign or something.
(Epic points if this made sense to anyone)
Wait, what was the troll bait? And why did GNL put troll bait alongside his actual point? And why does the troll bait present a serious world-view challenge when it’s only intent was to be so foolish that we would get riled up over it?
… Why is GNL trying such a weird and ineffectual means of saving face?
At a guess he’s trying to prove something or other about us refusing to “empathicly listen”. Which makes him about as gaslight-y as Eurosabra.
Who should really take his shit over here instead of stinking up he thread he’s on.
I already suggested that, but I’m a woman so who cares what I’d prefer, right?
Argenti Aertheri:
No, you stop!
For that reference, you have made a powerful enemy this day, Argenti!
A powerful enemy!
NO STOP
Ah, the White One twists words into half truths and speaks with the tongue of two!
Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Wait, what were we talking about again?
The worms in my head are telling me its time to leave. You might be talking to me, but I have already left the building!
[Obfuscates away]
@kirbywarp
You asked why I’m so fond of hyperbole and extreme exaggeration, well this is why. My positions and ideas are not far off from feminism. MRM is feminism (minus perpetual professional vicimhood) (minus man hate). The only way to defend feminism is adhomin attacks. By presenting “Strawfeminists” about half the time I get the boobs arguing with me to make my points for me.
Why did I present “privilege” as absoulte and irrevocable? Well because to prove me wrong I got half a dozen examples of where men are worse off to show it wasn’t true.
Why did I present sexism as some over the top crazieness. Well had I not gotten annoyed with the bullshit after three days it would have easily turned into examples of sexism against men.
When the point I’m trying to make is that not everything gendered is against women. Not everything bad is done by men. Not everything directional is men oppressing women. Equality is Women =Men. Feminism is Women =
That the rights and responsibilities of men need to be included in discussions on gender equality is so brain dead obvious that you need to be a brick or intentionally ignorant to not understand. Hell even the bricks understand. They make my points for me if presented a poorly constructed strawfeminist to attack.
okay, now is your “death gap” you making shit up, or you thinking it’s a real thing?
Mrm is feminism in the same way that white supremacy is the civil rights movement. The mrm as a whole is a reactionary, regressive backlash against feminism. Most mras are blatantly anti-feminist. As far as I can tell most mra’s spend their days whining on the internet about feminism and modern/western women, scouring the internet for any example they can find of “women behaving badly” and trying to spam literally every comment section on the internet ever with mra talking points, as opposed to doing anything that would actually, you know, help men.
P.S. Supporting paper abortions and whining about how it’s unfair that women have more birth control methods available than men do (and this despite the fact that men’s birth control options are highly effective when used correctly) sound pretty far off from feminism’s positions.
P.P.S. What are you actually doing to reduce workplace fatalities? What specific policy initiatives do you support? How will you respond to the inevitable complaints by your mra buddies that women in dangerous jobs are taking those jobs away from men, especially in our current and ongoing economic situation when jobs are harder to come by?
Cassandra — eh, not like he’d listen to Howard, pecunium or any of the other male posters.
Fibinachi — no no, just use dementation and turn genderneutrallanguage into a salmon! (OMGS YOU GOT THE REFERENCE!!!)
…fuck, I wonder if that game works on win7, it just occurred to me that I do have a windows box — my parents’
And genderneutrallanguage is making me wish for a conversation with the white one, she makes infinitely more sense. Hell, so does Cain (did you know that the taxi driver’s voice files are labelled as Cain? Thus more or less confirming that suspicion?)
Genderneutrallanguage — you neither understand ad hominem attacks, nor extreme exaggeration. First, stop burning dinosaurs before earth ends up like venus!!
Second, Spot That Fallacy!!
Amazingly, this has not devolved to name calling, which is rather impressive considering your penchant for pulling shit from your ass as if that where an argument, completely ignoring all points countering yours, and claims that we’re an echo chamber (etc). Note that describing you as disingenuous is a statement of apparent personality traits, calling you a pile of fish shit is name calling (and frankly, I’ve dealt with less tedious fish shit, it at least only takes an hour or so to clean out and dispose of).
Your desire to dismiss everything we say out of hand and go on about straw feminism and echo chambers and assume you can just ignore all arguments against you? Damned close to a real ad hominem. Let me give you an example of poisoning the well — every damned troll ever that’s decided that any trans* person should be outed and then summarily dismissed (*cough* NWO and “zie creatures” *cough*)
The way in which you continuously make completely non sequitur “analogies”, such as that nonsense about throwing babies out windows, or “suicide is men shooting themselves”?
PEMRA —
“Bulverism (Psychogenetic Fallacy) – inferring why an argument is being used, associating it to some psychological reason, then assuming it is invalid as a result. It is wrong to assume that if the origin of an idea comes from a biased mind, then the idea itself must also be a false”
Knock it off
Lensman —
“Misleading vividness – involves describing an occurrence in vivid detail, even if it is an exceptional occurrence, to convince someone that it is a problem.”
You can also knock it off. False accusations are exceedingly rare, I don’t care how vivid an example you can produce, or what you think should happen because of their rarity. They aren’t a god send legal problem. Oh and btw? As I already said, most are mistaken identity, there’s still a rape, and a rape victim, but the wrong person was accused of being the rapist. That is, the crime of filing a false report did not occur.
“okay, now is your “death gap” you making shit up, or you thinking it’s a real thing?”
It’s the gap between those two brain cells floating around in genderdud’s head.
Thanks for the thread Futrelle.
*clears throat*
Manboobzers are very fond of criticising men for talking about the problems men face, but according to manboobz, doing nothing to fix them.
Earl Silverman was battered by his then wife. His response? He sought help. He was told that he was not a victim and there was no help for him, or any other man.
So he sought to open a shelter for battered men. When no funds were available from society / government, he founded a battered men’s shelter out of his own pocket, in his own home and ran it for decades.
He was forced to close it recently for lack of funds. And hung himself a day later, leaving a suicide note criticising society’s failure to recognise the problem or offer any help.
The media response has been, well to be honest, a lot of badly-researched defensive snark.
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2013/04/earl-silverman-suicide/64696/
“Manboobzers are very fond of criticising men for talking about the problems men face, but according to manboobz, doing nothing to fix them.”
Get your terminology right, for a start. We don’t criticise “men” as in all men, or even all the men who post here. The words you’re looking for are “MRAs” or “misogynists” for those of you who like to pretend you’re not MRAs. Big difference. Not to mention that there are women who’re misogynists or MRAs as well (GWW, judgybitch, etc, etc) and they get the same criticisms.
@genderneuterallanguage:
Wow… you are a pompous, disingenuous ass. And kind of pathetic.
You’re preaching to the choir, dude. The idea that privilege means that all men are advantaged in every way over all women is a strawman. You’ve just presented a strawman to trick us into countering a strawman. Super.
Yeah sure. Eventually you’ll trick us into revealing out deep-seated misandry that is totally real. I’m sure. *rolls eyes*
Congrats. You’ve reached the same level of debate as NWOSlave, repeatedly asserting what is plainly untrue to demonstrate the absurdity of another strawfeminist.
So what do your points amount to? Do you even know? Cause right now we’ve got the argument that an incorrect definition of privilege is incorrect, imaginary misandry would totally have been revealed if you had tried longer, and an absurd straw-feminist position is absurd.
Such wit. Such intelligence. Such bravery. Bravo, you mastermind you.
GNL: My positions and ideas are not far off from feminism.
No. They are 180 degrees from feminism.
You said that because there wasn’t any serious effort to make it legal for men to abandon children the next best thing was “rebalancing” the, “”power” women have by restricting access to birth control.
That is very fucking far off from feminism.
Again I ask you some very simple questions:
1: What do you want.
2: What are you doing to attain your desires.
3: What level of compromise are you willing to entertain; if what you want can’t be attained 100 percent?
lensman: Given this comment of yours on AVfM your, “I’m not an MRA, I’m just trying to figure things out” shit is, well shit.
<a href =http://4e7221.medialib.glogster.com/media/53275719b554e1300a9f9193e6d77e4bd788db7d462db8f6d7d0033428440397/stalin-xumax.jpgUncle Joe: We already dealt with that article, in this thread.
Do try to keep up.
The point is not whatever-hairsplitting and back-pedalling you want to do Kittehserf.
I’m sure you can find some convoluted way to argue that trying to help battered men is misogyny, but I’m not interested in your defensiveness.
The point is: Earl Silverman suffered DV, and found there was NO help for men DV victims, and then set about doing something about it.
And society clearly, didn’t give crap.
I say society, because clearly mostly everyone in a position of power (men & women both) that Earl appealed to for assistance were utterly disinterested.
Earl’s was the ONLY shelter for men DV vics in the whole of Canada. (there are current efforts to open another in his memory)
Here in the UK there are only 15 men’s DV shelters. Not only is that vastly disproportionate to the stats on victimisation (60/40 female/male vics)… It’s much, much lower than the number of animal shelters in the UK.
My society cares more about animal suffering than men’s suffering.
That’s a big problem for men. Earl tried to do something about that, and was met with such crushing indifference from society that he killed himself.
That’s the point to focus on here.