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I’m sorry I didn’t upload this before, if there are some amongst you who want to discuss the, er, situation. I have been obsessing about this election for months now and I think that now we’re here I find I’m too anxious to watch the returns coming in as a Trump victory would be the biggest disaster for this country since, I dunno, the civil war? I took a peek at Twitter about twenty minutes ago (I refuse to use its other name) and the people I follow are all sounding very gloomy and now I’m more tense and scared than I have ever been about this election. The Russian bomb threats aren’t helping the situation. I don’t know if I’ll even check the news again tonight (who am I kidding, I will) but if you guys feel like chatting here’s a place to do it.

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Ooglyboggles
1 month ago

@Elaine
Best wishes

@everyone

Lol chuck schumer bent the knee to trump on the budget and even other dems are unhappy

Ooglyboggles
1 month ago

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5191087-harris-trump-biden-harris/

[Biden] would say publicly that Harris should do what she must to win. But privately, including in conversations with her, he repeated an admonition: let there be no daylight between us. “No daylight” was the phrase he had used as a vice presidential candidate in 2008 to bind Republican nominee John McCain to an unpopular president, George W. Bush.

Almost everywhere she went, Harris walked among former Biden aides who sought to defend his presidency. Her campaign was run by a former White House deputy chief of staff — whom she had just empowered to box out her own confidants — and a phalanx of department heads who had served Biden until the previous month.

The day before Harris’s first interview, a joint appearance with [Vice Presidential nominee] Tim Walz, she dived into the recurring question of whether and when she would let daylight shine between herself and Biden. Veteran Democratic communications strategist Stephanie Cutter launched into a proposed preamble — a list of all the items that made Harris proud of her work with Biden.

“Wait, wait, wait!” said Sean Clegg, a longtime Harris adviser who was regarded with suspicion by the Biden holdovers running the campaign. “Let’s not do this. Let’s not go down memory lane.”

That was the last time he was invited to media prep. Cutter, another Harris confidant later joked, cut him out.

Apparently, Harris’s campaign was full of Biden dead-enders who, instead of using it as an opportunity to try to win, basically used it as an opportunity to salve their boss’s fragile, tiny ego. This might be Harris’s own aides and advisers covering her ass, but given Biden’s obstinacy and refusal to acknowledge the reality of his immense unpopularity, it seems quite plausible. Harris might not have won if she had tried to distance herself from Biden, but it probably would have given her a better chance now that we know that people were more than willing to vote for Democrats as long as they weren’t intimately associated with the Biden administration and the Biden administration’s failures.

Lol

Dems Lied and We Died.

Snowberry
Snowberry
1 month ago

@Ooglyboggles: Meh. The speculation on why Harris lost has always been all over the place. I strongly suspect that it wasn’t any one thing, just a lot of little ones. Were I to throw my own hat into the speculation ring, I would say that there were two campaigns: the one Harris was running, and the one a lot of people (mostly but not exclusively conservatives) said she was running, and which one you gonna believe? Oh, and I guess Donny was kind of running too, but nobody paid that much attention outside his hardcore fans and the politics junkies. But that’s just the general impression I got, and I’m sure that I’d get a dozen explanations in response why that is most definitely not true, and also a dozen alternative hypothesis which are most definitely true, followed by a dozen voices calling everyone else idiots.

Ooglyboggles
1 month ago

Dems folded
Trump won budget and cloture

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/government-shutdown-vote-senate-gop-measure/

Lol vote away fascism?
They won’t even seriously try

Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
1 month ago

Dear God. That means no more Medicaid, doesn’t it?

Why on God’s green Earth would any dem senator vote to destroy Medicaid, let alone at least ten of them?

I just hope that that’s the red line that gets a few tens of millions of people out in the streets protesting.

TacticalProgressive
TacticalProgressive
1 month ago

@Ooglyboggles @Surplus to Requirements

I’ll be honest the whole problem of either seeing a government shutdown or Democrat’s having to grit their teeth and go for the budget and cloture; it’s a rock and a hard place of loose-loose no matter how you slice it and it freaking sucks on all accounts

The only think that I can think of that might actually be something to at least give a distinction of “degree of loose-loose”,(not that it make this feel any better),which a commentator I have been following on youtube tracking all the utterally unhinged stuff since Trump took office again in a series called “We told you so”(his name is Johnny Bananas) did raise at least one point that might be something to factor everything; is that Elon Musk; WANTED the shutdown.

And honestly, while both options for outcome SUCK unequivocally: anything that Musk *wants*: has me very wary and my gut has me thinking that anything Musk wants to do to the US and it systems; is bad road that should not happen nor be allowed to happen. Granted that also still applies to Trumpler; but given it’s Elon; he has me extra sus and nervous. That and the detail that a shut down would have shifted things away from Trump and onto Democrat’s and how that might have been an even worse bit of damage in terms of risk of political capital for the Dems if a shutdown actually did happen, as crap as it still would be.Granted I’m still unsure if that might matter for the Democrat’s much given the current political climate and the mad house going on in this bath-salt nightmare timeline in Stygian abyss or if it will effect anything, although I guess one way to look at it is the Republican’s have one less thing they could feasibly pin on the Democrat’s and the last time Republican’s actually followed through with a shutdown of the government; it ravaged them badly in terms of political capital.

Johnny Bananas has a bunch of other informative videos I’d recommend to everyone that outlines pretty much every bit of off the wall and unconscionable nonsense beyond all precedent to keep everyone in the loop, but I got a link to the video pertaining to what happened in this regard. He is clearly still not happy with everything that’s going on and also thinks the old guard of the Democrat’s should be voted out for new leadership with some guts and spine; but his point on Musk at least gives me some pause to factor that into the equation.

Everything is a train wreak at this point and I’m just hoping that the degree of the wreak isn’t the worst possibly style of wreak.

Right now I’m still worried about about my nation of Canada being invaded by US GI’s (something up until this point I never thought I would have to worry about before; but here we are). I live in BC and live 45 minutes from the Canada US border so I’m thinking I should start outlining a bug out plan given how I heard Trump recently reported he wants to start the US military chain of command to prepare to invade and take Panama… which is making me feel he will set sights up here to do the same next like it’s the freaking Fallout Timeline of History.

Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
1 month ago

I’ll be honest the whole problem of either seeing a government shutdown or Democrat’s having to grit their teeth and go for the budget and cloture; it’s a rock and a hard place of loose-loose no matter how you slice it and it freaking sucks on all accounts

What? A shutdown is temporary. Medicaid is forever.

I have been following on youtube tracking all the utterally unhinged stuff since Trump took office again in a series called “We told you so”(his name is Johnny Bananas)

Not an auspicious name if you’re hoping for people to believe you. 🙂

That and the detail that a shut down would have shifted things away from Trump and onto Democrat’s and how that might have been an even worse bit of damage in terms of risk of political capital for the Dems if a shutdown actually did happen

How’s that working for them? Last I checked, Schumer’s name is mud now. It would have been better for his reputation to have taken a principled stand and been accused of causing a shutdown than to have knuckled under, I suspect. Besides, we want the corporate wing of the Democratic Party to flame out. The sooner they’re all fired and replaced with AOCs (or further left), the better. What you have now seem to be singularly ill-equipped to actually fight actual fascists.

the last time Republican’s actually followed through with a shutdown of the government; it ravaged them badly in terms of political capital.

So badly they’re now running the entire country … into the ground. I wish I had had my political capital ravaged that badly. I’d be Prime Minister, or at least the Ontario Premier, which latter, it should be noted, would have meant “no more Doug Ford”. 😛

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Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
1 month ago

A day ago I was happy to see new polling data giving the Tories and Oilievre abysmal chances of forming government.

Now I discover that the new Liberal leader is a fucking traitor and a misogynist:

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2025/03/21/Scrapping-Wage-Carney-Progress/

Gah. I don’t suppose Finland is likely to accept Canadian refugees? 😛

TacticalProgressive
TacticalProgressive
1 month ago

@Surplus

What? A shutdown is temporary. Medicaid is forever.

Again, worth raising the point that Elon wanted the shutdown. Even if we are to accept the premise of your argument; it should give pause WHY Elon would WANT a shutdown. Bear in mind, this is the same person who currently has his and a bunch of hackers trying to get their hands into people’s social insurance numbers. Why would someone like that who has a hand on people’s social insurance numbers: WANT a shutdown, unless it is to be able to do something WORSE to people and their livelihoods besides the shutdown? Ridding people’s medicade is terrible and my being someone with a disability being on PWD is a concern I share and empathize with people who may face having their own medical care support stolen from them. But the observation of concern I have; is what if the government shutdown allows Elon to do even worse? Something a step worse than just people loosing medical care, for example by starting to delete people’s SIN numbers and thus eradicate people’s proof of citizen ship to than make it easier to “remove” people from the nation even in spite of them being citizens. Why would a fascist technocrat WANT the shutdown unless he wanted to get up to some craven, abhorrent and even worst stuff under the conditions of that government shutdown? Its bad enough to loose Medicaid; but what if the shutdown opened the door to people loosing their citizenship despite being citizens by *blaming* their SIN?

Not an auspicious name if you’re hoping for people to believe you. 🙂

For me unless a persons name some kind of alt-right shibboleth lifted from bigoted lexicon (which automatically discounts them and their position in my eyes) or some such; I more focus on actual arguments of people and how factually those positions hold up. I sooner trust the insights of Johnny Bananas over that of “FNFallout (Finnish Nazi Fallout)” or “WomenPuncher1488” or other such ilk. And credit to Johnny B: he strikes as being able to cut to the heart of the problems we’re are facing and debunking the bs.

How’s that working for them? Last I checked, Schumer’s name is mud now. It would have been better for his reputation to have taken a principled stand and been accused of causing a shutdown than to have knuckled under, I suspect. Besides, we want the corporate wing of the Democratic Party to flame out. The sooner they’re all fired and replaced with AOCs (or further left), the better. What you have now seem to be singularly ill-equipped to actually fight actual fascists.

Schumer is a complete unprincipled flake who should be replaced with some new blood in the DNC but things aren’t exactly great for Republican’s either when their own constituents are angry with them due to Trump and Elon’s bs to the point that Republican Pundents are either floundering or outright being run out of Town Hall meetings even in rural areas. This isn’t to say the Democrat’s old guard establishment are bungling things politically right now; they without question are. Tim Waltz, AOC and Bernie are the folks who have the pulse on things and they and other similar Dems in the wings need to be the one’s who need to be leading the party and taking charge of things. But I am saying that the Republican’s have gotten a win that seems to be not be all that much of a win if their own constituents are, to some level,running their own political representative out on a rail. And every time a Republican tries to use the old tired right wing rhetoric in these town halls; they get booed and jeered hard by their own voter base. I don’t know if its much; but it is at least something.

So badly they’re now running the entire country … into the ground. I wish I had had my political capital ravaged that badly. I’d be Prime Minister, or at least the Ontario Premier, which latter, it should be noted, would have meant “no more Doug Ford”.

Which legit horrifies me and I’m worried about Canada being invaded as a Canuck. But it seems the Republican plan to run the US into the ground under the cheeto fascist; is probably goning to be the final nail in the Republican coffin this time when everyone across the political spectrum (save Trumplerite cultists who are too far gone); is reeling from the cavalcade of self destructive bs and are just getting more and more pissed off. No one is happy. Republican’s lost enough political capital that it resulted in Biden wining the vote last time, and made the US one of the strongest economics contributors in the G7. Old, Establishment Democrat’s bungled things because they failed to take initiative, failed to hold themselves firm to their reported values, and underestimated Republican malfeasance. But Republican’s “win” is going to be the biggest loss of their Capital to date since now they have put the Fascist autocrat back into office once again and is making things so unstable and utter crap that not even the Republican’s can hold a stable footing.

Everything is garbage, and you won’t see me claim otherwise. But in these darkest of days: I hold defiant hope in spite of Republican and right wing machinations; because we now see plain and unclouded the plans, machinations and polices of Republican’s, Conservative’s and their ilk for what they are and how much damage they can and will do. And pretty much a lot of people; revile what they see. Seeing this crap unfold made hell freeze over in making Quebecer’s finally declare themselves proud Canadian’s and mobilized the Canadian Geopolitical landscape, and has prompted NATO and the EU to take their own initiative in spite of the US on the world stage.

Everything is a deteriorating mess; but there are helpers keeping up the fight.

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Elaine the witch
Elaine the witch
1 month ago

Sorry to derail, I just need some information I don’t know how to ask people in the wild.

Is there any spy ware like an app or something that allows someone else to listen into someone’s conversation through there phone ? Like not on a phone call, just having the phone in the room with you and someone can listen in through the mic?

Alan Robertshaw
1 month ago

@ elaine

It’s certainly technically possible. There have been some court cases in the US where law enforcement have done it, and the issue was the admissibility of the consequent recordings.

Bit more here…

https://bluegoatcyber.com/blog/the-feasibility-of-hackers-remotely-activating-your-mic-and-camera/

Elaine the witch
Elaine the witch
1 month ago

I have the suspicion that my ex is listening to me through my phone but I don’t know if that’s possible or not.

Alan Robertshaw
1 month ago

@ elaine

To quote the classic cross examination answer: “Possible, but not probable.”

You have to put a specific piece of software on the target phone. And unless you’re a master hacker with access to NSA level resources the only way to do that is by malware. So unless you’ve opened any suspicious attachments in recent times I wouldn’t worry unduly.

And if you want some peace of mind you could always put the phone somewhere out of earshot when you’re not using it. Or just put a towel over it; the mics aren’t that powerful.

Hope that’s some help.

Lizzie
Lizzie
29 days ago

Hi Elaine,
I know that phones being tapped/tracked etc has become much more of an issue for the whole domestic violence services field, and that dv services are aware of this as a safety issue. So you could get in touch with any local services and ask their advice on getting your phone checked. Here in Australia there are a few police stations that are more dv aware, and may even have a specialised officer – making some phone enquiries might turn something up where you are. There seem to be quite a few ‘IT professionals tell you how to improve your phone security’ sites online, for example:

https://www.certosoftware.com/digital-breakup-assistant/
Welcome to Certo’s Digital Breakup Assistant. This free tool is designed to help those who might have previously shared devices or accounts with a partner take back control of their data. We’ll ask you a series of questions about the devices, apps and online accounts you use. At the end we’ll give you tailored step-by-step advice to help you secure your digital life following a breakup. No personal information is requested and Certo does not retain any data provided.

Obviously you can just read that stuff without utilising it if you’d prefer. Sounds like you would feel more reassured if you got another phone, a basic one, and started using that to message your friends or ring them back rather than your current phone – gradually using that phone more and the current one less.

it’s very unpleasant to think that our privacy is being breached- it doesn’t hurt to be aware of when you really don’t want to be overheard. In my job I have certainly talked with people who thought or knew that they were being tracked, that their laptop was being monitored etc – and I have asked them to leave their phone in the car or at home.
I hope things settle down for you soon, best wishes to you.

Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
26 days ago

I found something interesting while doing research:

https://philpapers.org/archive/betwsh.pdf

In this article, Bettcher argues that sexual attraction must be

reconceptualized in light of transgender experience. In particu-

lar, Bettcher defends the theory of “erotic structuralism,” which

replaces an exclusively other-directed account of gendered attrac-

tion with one that includes a gendered eroticization of self as an

essential component. This erotic experience of self is necessary for

other-directed gendered desire, where the two are bound together

and mutually informing. One consequence of the theory is that the

controversial notion of “autogynephilia” is rejected. Another con-

sequence is that the distinction between gender identity and sexual

orientation is softened.

Seems to me this can explain a great deal beyond “just” aspects of queer experience. For example, the frequency with which cis women in het relationships can have sexual difficulty with “letting go” or “being in the moment” or similarly — if attraction and enjoyment require identifying with an “erotic self” then it’s not going to work if one is not able to find a working erotic self-concept, whether that’s because of being trans and having dysphoria or because of slut-shaming or messaging that you can’t be sexy if you don’t live up to some narrow beauty standard.

The article (or any newer, further developments along these lines) should probably be required reading for couples therapists as well as for gender therapists, and maybe therapists in general.

I’m sure many here will cheer its thorough demolition of the sad old “autogynephilia” trope, too. (It seems like forever since we had a troll drive by here and use that, thinking it was somehow an automatic checkmate, only to get schooled.)

Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
22 days ago

https://www.borowitzreport.com/p/jd-vance-freaks-out-after-tariffs

Oh, for Pete’s sake. There are plenty of genuinely bad things we can shame Vance for, without shaming him (even in jest) for improving his appearance (or, at least, attempting to) in ways traditionally considered feminine or for crying. Doing so attacks nonbinary AMAB people and some gender nonconforming men who have done nothing to deserve it, and will cause splash damage to trans women.

I expected better from them.

Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
14 days ago

Where is everyone? It’s been two weeks since anyone else commented.

Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Intergalactic Meani
Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Intergalactic Meani
14 days ago

For those who haven’t heard the news yet, this happened yesterday.

https://www.avclub.com/4chan-hacked-chicken-jockey

Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
14 days ago

Good riddance. Too little, too late as it may be.

Meanwhile there is a terrible, terrible TERFy ruling from the fucking UK Supreme Court. Are they in some sort of race to the bottom with the US’s?

Makroth
Makroth
13 days ago

Anti-heroes encourage authoritarianism. What is the most common reason anybody would ever root for them? Because the ones that they’re fighting against are much worse. Of course you’re supposed to root for the Imperium. You don’t want Space Satan to win. Do you? You can see very similar attitudes IRL. You don’t want the islamists to win, do you? Of course you don’t! Therefore those recent decapitated babies that Israel is responsible for is conpletely justified. We need to behead their infants before they behead ours./s

And no. Space Satan being real or fake changes absolutely nothing to me.

It’s something that’s been stewing around in my head for a while now. I’ve slowly come to fucking despise anti-heroes. And people that resemble them IRL. Like Trump, Netanyahu, Putin, Bukele, Duterte and many more. And all their enablers.

Orks are the best 40K faction, btw.

Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
13 days ago

“Anti-hero” oft seems like a gateway drug leading to supervillainy. Darth Vader went through an anti-hero sort of phase (e.g. when he cut off Dooku’s head).

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