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8 dead in massage parlor shooting rampage, most of them Asian women: Open thread

This afternoon, a 21-year-old white man named Robert Aaron Long allegedly went on a shooting rampage at three massage parlors in the Atlanta, Georgia area. He reportedly killed eight people, six of them Asian women. He was arrested after a car chase.

This gives off the distinct whiff of an incel shooting, though at this point that’s just speculation. Obviously racism may have played a role as well.

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60 replies on “8 dead in massage parlor shooting rampage, most of them Asian women: Open thread”

… I hadn’t heard of this yet. My sincerest condolences to any here who knew those lost.

This makes me sick. Definitely incelish, but also it would surprise me if it wasn’t a culmination of all the anti Asian hate crimes that have been happening lately.

This could have been the trifecta of misogyny, the alt right fetishization of Asian women, and the anti Asian racism that we are seeing elsewhere.

I rarely say something like this, but this really does give me a sick feeling in my stomach.

I understand on an intellectual level how someone can be motivated to do things like this, but on an emotional level I just can’t grasp it. I have been seeing a bunch of news articles lately that revolve around people killing kids and women, and I just can’t understand how someone could look a child or young woman in the face and go “Yep, I’m taking this out of the world.”

Full Metal Ox,

Oh, I’m not saying it’s one or the other. It definitely seems likely to be an intersection of racism and misogyny.

@weirwoodhugger:

And as women, Asians, and sex workers, the shooter may well have regarded the victims as thrice-qualified garbage cans for the impulses he refused to control.

Awaiting approval? What did I say?

It’s okay, actually. I’m just curious.

I just saw this in the news and came here to see if there was anything. I don’t think it’s going to turn out strictly racism, which is what the news is saying. Dude’s gonna turn out incel and mad that stereotypes about Asian massage parlors aren’t always true.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/16/atlanta-massage-parlor-shootings

Although police in Georgia have not described a motive, the NYPD counter terrorism bureau announced it had deployed officers from their Critical Response Command to Asian communities around New York City.
“While there is no known nexus to #NYC we will be deploying assets to our great Asian communities across the city out of an abundance of caution,” the bureau said in a tweet.
On Tuesday evening the anti-hate group Stop AAPI Hate, founded in 2020 response to the rising xenophobia against Asian Americans during the Covid-19 pandemic, tweeted in response to the shootings: “Few details have been released, including whether or not the shootings were related or motivated by hate. But right now there is a great deal of fear and pain in the Asian American community that must be addressed.”

I suppose it’s mathematically possible that it’s neither racism nor misogyny, but I think it’s far more likely to be both, and highly likely that he was abusive to girlfriends too.

I also notice that the police took him into custody without, apparently, giving him so much as a black eye, even though they had every reason to believe he was armed and extremely dangerous.

We’ll know more soon.

Reading an article linked here, I don’t expect the police to do squat (can we please say “fuck the police” here, they help no one but society’s superiors as evidenced too by a murder of a woman in the UK) and I fear this incident will embolden white religious patriarchal believers, who will twist it in some way to say “oh, they wronged this Godly man”.

They got him alive. Which would comfort me if I thought likely he got the justice he deserve.

@Makroth

Yeah I call bullshit on the “COVID was manufactured” myth. I’m more convinced by the theory that humanity’s further exploitation of animals and the environment is responsible for the virus.

Yeah, it appears he made clear public statements that he was killing local women because he believed that the Chinese government thousands of miles away had created COVID-19 in a secret lab, which, of course, is a crime to which Atlanta massage parlor employees must necessarily have been a party.

So I guess no racism or sexism here!

My heart goes out to the loved ones of these murdered women, their local community, Asian folks anywhere who have seen and experienced more racism and violence in this last year, anyone who is grieving and scared of what might happen next.

and highly likely that he was abusive to girlfriends too.

I don’t think so. Pretty sure he’s a virgin who most likely got rejected by an Asian woman. The Incel is strong on this one.

this reminds when I was in highschool we had a lot of foreign exchange students for such a tiny town. One of the kids we go was a boy that was from Pakistan and a Muslim. He was a sweet boy, very respectful, well mannered, kind. He was so excited to come to a new country and learn about it. People treated him like a terrorist. made 9/11 jokes, and all of that. I remember getting so mad and saying that even if a few Muslim people were responsible for 9/11, a 16 year old boy is not responsible for the sins that grown men committed before he could even walk.

I remember they had a day where the kids from the different countries presented for the school and taught us about their country and culture. Many had beautiful presentations about their homes and then his ended up being about how he wasn’t a terrorist and his people weren’t terrorist. There was a very heart breaking part about how his father didn’t abuse his mother or and that yes they were around the same age and in love because people made so many assumptions and comments.

This country is really good punishing innocent people for the crimes they think their race has committed. But somehow your racist if you say white people do racists things.

I’m so pissed off that this “sex addiction” thing is being used to dismiss the racism aspect. As if viewing Asian women as objects of temptation isn’t racist.

 “the indicators right now are that (the shootings) may not be” racially motivated.

“It may be targets of opportunity,” he said. “Again, we believe that he frequented these places in the past and may have been lashing out.”

His Facebook page was all about how he hates China and the Chinese, but it’s pure coincidence that 6 out of 8 victims were Asian? (At least some were of Korean descent but somehow I don’t that the killer would know or care about the difference.)

OT: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2270342-anti-feminist-youtube-and-reddit-content-is-a-gateway-to-the-alt-right/ I subscribe – I hope it’s not behind a paywall for normal people.

@Sheila : korean descent is asian descent no ?

And yes, all flags are that it’s racially motivated. The police jsut agree with his choice of target and want to put him under the rug. He did his job of “putting the chinese in their place” I guess.

I am just as furious as WWTH about that transparent bullshit on his motivation.

@@Sheila : korean descent is asian descent no ?

Yes, but that’s not even the ethnicity the shooter professed to be hunting; that adds yet another dismissive layer of All Them Asians Look Alike.

A Cherokee County, Georgia, Sheriff’s Office spokesperson came under fire Wednesday afternoon for pinning the deadly Tuesday shooting rampage that left eight dead—including six Asian women—on a 21-year-old white man’s “very bad day.”

“Yesterday was a really bad day for him and this is what he did,” Jay Baker said during the joint news conference with the Atlanta Police Department about 21-year-old Robert Aaron Long.

But it seems the same spokesperson shared racist content online, including pointing the finger at China for the ongoing coronavirus pandemic—the same vitriol advocates say has fueled a horrific surge in violence against Asian Americans.

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@LindsayIrene

I literally heard that same thing just now and was coming to link it. There is absolutely nothing a white man can do to women of color that won’t be excused and explained away by another white man, it seems.

I saw the press conference clip as well. Of course the cops excuse a murderous white man. Of course.

I can also guarantee that the reason they didn’t kill him is because he’s white. If a man of any other race did anything like this, the cops would have shot him.

It is sad in and of itself, of course.

But it’s also sad that I wasn’t even surprised.

He also blamed the women for the impulses he couldn’t control, so it’s the inevitable collision of incel, racism, white privilege/fragility, fundamentalist Christianity, online hate groups, and too many guns.

It’s another crime that they took him in without any damage IMO.

As a white guy myself I’ve had plenty of bad days and not once have I felt the compulsion to shoot anybody. Maybe occasionally the urge to punch someone in the face, but never the urge to shoot them.

if you’re driving through Atlanta, you’re probably passing a strip club at some point.

Uh-oh.

“He was pretty much fed up and kind of at the end of his rope. Yesterday was a really bad day for him and this is what he did,” Cherokee County sheriff’s office Capt. Jay Baker said Wednesday. He was describing the 21-year-old man accused of killing eight people, mostly Asian and almost all women, in a rampage across three Atlanta-area spas.

Then — as the violence stirred fears in an Asian-American community that already felt under attack — Internet sleuths and journalists found Baker’s Facebook posts promoting shirts that called the novel coronavirus an “IMPORTED VIRUS FROM CHY-NA.”

One person’s reaction on Twitter: “I think Capt Jay Baker is going to have a really bad day.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/03/17/jay-baker-bad-day/

Uh-oh.

“He was pretty much fed up and kind of at the end of his rope. Yesterday was a really bad day for him and this is what he did,” Cherokee County sheriff’s office Capt. Jay Baker said Wednesday. He was describing the 21-year-old man accused of killing eight people, mostly Asian and almost all women, in a rampage across three Atlanta-area spas.

Then — as the violence stirred fears in an Asian-American community that already felt under attack — Internet sleuths and journalists found Baker’s Facebook posts promoting shirts that called the novel coronavirus an “IMPORTED VIRUS FROM CHY-NA.”

One person’s reaction on Twitter: “I think Capt Jay Baker is going to have a really bad day.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/03/17/jay-baker-bad-day/

Hard to believe this shooter, the son of a youth pastor no less, is so bad at Christian-ing. /s

Is it possible that they skipped the sermon on the mount in their bible studies? You know, that thing where Jesus said something like: If your right eye causes you to sin, then pluck it out and throw it away. Not to strike down what or who that eye is looking at. I know this because I went and looked it up. That particular section is even all about adultery!

I guess if you’re having a terrible, no good, very bad day, it’s an easy thing to forget. :/ Good thing there’s another nice, white guy (who peddles anti-Asian tee shirts) to let everyone know it’s not a hate crime. >:(

@Ohlmann
Yes. He’s hates China so he kills women of Korean descent. Like the man who hated Muslims so he murdered Sikhs.

Not that it greatly matters which ethnic group for most purposes- the average Chinese American has as much influence on Chinese foreign policy as the average Korean American or indeed the average rock, but he couldn’t even follow his own terrible logic.

@Hambeast: very few white Christians in the US (and I include myself in this) are good at acting Christ-like. Reconciling ‘woe to you who are rich’ with being members of one of the wealthiest nations in the history of the world requires the sort of mental gymnastics that neuters most of the Gospel of its redemptive, revolutionary power.

@rv97

I believe that, too.

@Titanium

“I don’t think so. Pretty sure he’s a virgin who most likely got rejected by an Asian woman. The Incel is strong on this one.”

Abuse isn’t always sexual.
We can’t really say if he’s a virgin or not, and it doesn’t matter the schematics.

@Jokester

“being members of one of the wealthiest nations in the history of the world”

Are you implying the USA is one of the wealthiest nations in the history of the world?

Because that’s a bit presumptuous.

@Mouse Sparrow- I did say ‘one of the wealthiest’- there are certainly nations richer than the US is, but the US is definitely in the top 20 currently, and I’d argue the top 100 historically.

The basic cognitive dissonance faced by US Christians is White Americans have far more in common with the villains of any story in our scriptures than we do with the people who wrote them. We’re more similar to the Egyptians of Exodus, or the Assyrians and Babylon in the latter Old Testament, or the Roman Empire in the New Testament than we do with the ancient Jews or the early Christian Church. Avoiding facing up to the obvious conclusion- that US Christians are commanded to oppose many of the policies of our own nation- requires us to twist our scriptures beyond recognition.

The Black Church, incidentally, does not face this problem. Which is why the Black Church gives us people like Senator Warnock. White Christians need to start paying more attention to our Black kindred if we’re ever going to get back to being truly Christ-like.

@Mouse Sparrow- and to be clear, I don’t mean to imply that being a wealthy nation makes the US great or good. From a Christian perspective, it’s just the opposite. Consistently throughout our history, when White Americans have been given the choice between God and Mammon, we’ve chosen Mammon.

@joekster
This is not the thread to be going on about how people need Jesus, or about the glories of the bible. Really, no thread is the right one for that, but this one reallyisn’t.

@Dalilama : I only see Joekster lamenting about how mainstream christian don’t follow the actually quite radical (compared to the average conservative at least) attitude of Jesus, not saying people need him.

I don’t quite care from where the morality of someone come, even if it’s probably better if they don’t need the threat of eternal damnation to not be complete assholes.

@Dalilama: my sincere apologies for appearing to prosyletize- I’m trying to dissect the contradiction between what white Christians claim to believe and how we often act. I hesitated to even get into it because I know many of the regular commentators have been hurt by people claiming the name of Jesus

@Ohlman: I do think many Christians, both in the US today and throughout history, have done and continue to do considerable damage to the Gospel (not to mention the world) through our own hypocrisy, and that this atrocity is a prime example.

And perhaps my comments are only making it worse.

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