When Elliot Page came out as trans, many in the so-called “gender critical” movement acted as if something had been stolen from them. “We mourn the loss of lesbian Ellen Page to transgenderism,” wrote someone calling themselves Radical Lesbians. “We’re losing our already tiny pool of lesbians to the trans cult,” agreed a commenter called Liz-B-Ann on Saidit.
The Gender Crits aren’t the only ones who think they’ve lost something — or, more precisely, someone — that belonged to them. On the neo-Nazi internet rag the Daily Stormer, Andrew Anglin has written a long tirade about Elliot’s transition and what he sees as the Jewish/transgender plot to turn women into “fake men” and rob the white race of its wombs.
“Our race could survive if 95% of our men were wiped out,” Anglin wrote.
It couldn’t survive if 95% of our women were wiped out. … So it should be of a very major concern that the Jewish media and education system are attempting to make as many young girls as possible into transgenders.
Citing Abigail Shrier’s transphobic tome “Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters,” Anglin warned his readers that
the homosexual movement is targeting young girls with transgender propaganda and encouraging them to inject themselves with testosterone.
The girls become sterile because of the injections.
This isn’t actually true, but never mind.
As Anglin sees it, this is part of an elaborate plot to make sure that girls (allegedly) experimenting with lesbianism in college get stuck in this so-called “lesbian phase” forever.
You see, many teenage girls have a “lesbian phase” where they think it’s fashionable to say they’re lesbians and kiss girls at parties while guys cheer. Then as they age, they stop doing that and become normal women.
The homosexual movement can only reproduce through recruitment, so they want as many of those girls as possible to remain lesbians. The way to do that is to ensure they pass a point of no return – that they get injected with hormones that permanently mutilate their bodies and make them permanently sterile. Then when the phase is over, they’re stuck with it.
Anglin, basing his opinion on nothing more than the thoughts pinging through his head, thinks that most of these lesbians-turned-trans men will abandon their trans identities and return to being “normal lesbians.” Score one for the lesbians.
Probably, most of them will stop claiming to be “men trapped in the wrong body” and just become normal lesbians, given that taking testosterone shots your whole life and pretending to be a man is actually ridiculous.
Naturally, Anglin thinks that Elliot Page’s coming out as trans will cause many impressionable young women to do the same.
Ellen Page has fashioned herself as a lesbian advocate and a role model for young girls. Her coming out like this and endorsing the transgender movement is going to encourage many confused teenage girls to say that they’re secretly men, and female and/or Jewish guidance counselors at their schools will be rushing them to an endocrinologist to get them shot up with chemicals that will permanently sterilize them.
Anglin thinks this is a huge problem for white men like him because the white race needs to have all wombs on deck.
This is a major, major crisis, because we need these wombs. We already have very serious fertility problems, but theoretically, if we get our society fixed, we would be able to force all women to become mothers through various forms of institutionalized social pressure. What they are doing with this tr*nny thing is taking women out of the game.
This isn’t the first time Anglin has argued that white women’s wombs don’t really belong to white women but to white men like himself, who should have final say over what happens to them.
In the real world, I’m happy to say that unless Anglin has a secret girlfriend hidden away somewhere that I’m not aware of, he has no say whatsoever over anyone’s womb.
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If one woman coming out as trans is a death knell to the so-called “superior white race”, perhaps they should consider that a sign that said race is better off dying out anyway. They’re the ones who take Social Darwinism seriously, after all.
My poor misused brain hit critical stop at “We’re losing our already tiny pool of lesbians to the trans cult,” That’s some distasteful ownership level shit right there
Haven’t even managed to read whatever crap Fishboy is wittering on about.
@Anonymous I’ve envied white people precisely because they could be more easily LGBT+ without it being “against their culture”. It’s still a shame though a lot of marginalized and poor groups of people still hold on to the view that gender non-conformity is a white, atheist and/or rich thing.
To read this though is just ridiculous – how would it affect white people when many people want to be white because they don’t feel free in their own cultures or comfortable in their own skin? Also, men who need to force others to do their bidding without their consent and try to make others like them without giving back to them are the real fucking losers; consider that the marginalized have made strides in society when the system largely hates them for existing in the first place, even as they have tried to give to them – they’re the winners who have lived through actual challenges, or their efforts deserve celebrating at least.
Wow. Anglin is saying “our race” meaning white people, a designation I’m ashamed to say I share with him, could survive if 95% of white men ceased to exist.
I wonder if Anglin realizes what he’s seemingly admitting to, there. Probably not. He probably thinks he’d be one of the 5% of white men still alive, but of course – how could it be any different?/sarcasm.
I now have a crush on a guy named Elliot. I’m cool with this
This kind of thing should be a real “are we the baddies” moment for TERFs. When you find yourselves agreeing with literal Nazis, that probably means you should re-evaluate your beliefs.
From what I’ve heard that book is absolutely vile, but I admit I am surprised that Anglin is citing it given that IIRC Shrier is Jewish. It’s possible I’m confusing her with someone else, but I thought she was.
@Dormousing_it
He’s probably alluding to how he wants to kill white men that don’t agree with him. I doubt he thought of the other implication.
Let’s just take it as said that I’m vehemently condemning the sense of entitlement & ownership here, cause I want to move on & say something else that is also important:
Yeah, no. I’m not looking for dates, but I have no problem finding lesbians, bi-women, & queer women to hang out with. We are everywhere.
Of course, it could be that they have some weird definition of “lesbian” that includes not renting an apartment from a masculinely gendered landlord or something. I’ve known a few separatists that liked to put all kinds of conditions on the label. If they put enough conditions on who qualifies as being in their pool, then sure, maybe their pool is small. But how small that pool is depends entirely on how many other people you find intolerable to be around.
Maybe, just maybe, the problem isn’t too few lesbians, but too much hatred.
@Crip Dyke
This does appear to be what they’ve done. As expected, they refuse to accept trans or non-binary lesbians as lesbians, but they have also added other restrictions. For instance, most transphobes are also biphobic/panphobic, so that rules out bisexual or pansexual women, and they’ve also gatekept the label of lesbian heavily. They refuse to accept cis lesbians that are dating/would date a trans woman or support trans people in general, and often seem to want to bring back Gold Star labels. And then there’s the fact that most people probably don’t want to hang out with obnoxious transphobes. So you are correct that they have made their own pool small.
““Our race could survive if 95% of our men were wiped out,” Anglin wrote.”
Ballparking it that would leave 125 million women and girls if they got the wipeout. I think that’s a big enough group to continue the species. Also, everything else that’s wrong about Anglin’s revolting post.
A little something I think should be cleared up: Elliot Page, having previously been seen as a woman by society, and having come out as trans, is and was not a woman. It is just as much an error as to say that I or Natalie Wynn was “a man” who came out as trans.
@Simon:
About 1 Billion white people
divide by 2 to get rid of the men,
divide by 20 for the “95% wipe out”
Leaves about 25 million women & girls. So a lot less than you were saying, but your point still stands. There’s no way that’s a reduction sufficient to bring about extinction.
But here’s where I think you’re underestimating his evil: I think you’re using stats closer to those for the human race, where he means “the White race”, and he would consider us white people extinct if we were no longer “pure”.
I think he thinks that if enough of us die then we’ll be scattered, so we’ll be living among people of color, and we’ll be more likely to have kids that are “white” for whatever value or meaning that has to Anglin.
Then if we keep doing that, blammo! no more “pure” “whites”.
This he considers a catastrophe. This is his nightmare.
:puke:
@Crip Dyke:
Wasn’t there a Babylon 5 episode about a race who wound up gatekeeping themselves into extinction—because nobody fit every particular of their purity checklist?
@crip dyke
Reminds me of this thing my professor taught us about called the “just one drop’ rule. Basically if there is a single person of color in someone family line, doesn’t matter if it was generation ago. that person wasn’t considered white. So basically the army of pale skinned, blonde and red hair, green and blue eyed family members I have, including myself, Wouldn’t be considered white because of great great grandpa was a Cherokee man.
Though great great grandma Moira was disowned by her family for running off with him. Then they were spat on further because they weren’t able to legally marry and then people called their children bastards for being out of wedlock even though those two lived as a marry couple all their lives and took the same vows to each other.
@full metal Ox
Sort of,they created a bio-weapon that would hunt down anyone that wasn’t pure to defend themselves from invaders. unfortunately for them the parameters they set were so high that they could not live up to their own standard so the weapon turned on them and wipe the whole race out.
https://babylon5.fandom.com/wiki/Infection
Unlike neonazis, who reproduce readily from spores.
Can you imagine Anglin ever citing a book for his argument, unless it’s to name-drop some hate manifesto that’s already widely offended progressive people?
@Fabe and Full Metal Ox
There was also an episode where Doc Franklin finds out one of the races commonly seen in the background is suffering some kind of genetic degradation. This turns out to be due to the fact that they wiped out a minority race among them that just so happened to have certain genetic factors that were necessary for the survival of the entire race. A bit of karma.
Edit: And for that matter I just remembered the episode where the one race is suffering a horrible plague and their solution is to all quarantine together and pray as per tradition. As a result, some 90+% of the race dies out. Rather interesting episode considering some recent events…
This kind of shit is why I wish my fellow white women would wake the fuck up and understand that the right wing is bad for us too and that we should not be so committed to white supremacy that we agree to sign our wombs over to ownership by fucking Nazis. The combination of misogyny, homophobia and transphobia is just horrible here. Why would anyone who’s not a cishet white dude ever be on board with this?
Re: “about 1 billion white people” and racial gatekeeping
I’ve seen white supremacists claim the global white population is about 500-700 million. To me, that sounds implausibly low (or perhaps extremely one-drop exclusive), but then again, what do I know about these things. I’m not someone who formulates a universal definition for white race and then obsessively compiles ethnic statistics from various countries.
Gotta agree with Anglin here. Women could be enslaved as mothers — theoretically. Nazis would meet with no resistance from women — theoretically. This would all work out well for Nazis — theoretically.
I will take pride in the fact that my tokophobic asexual white ass would also make Nazis weep for the loss of their sorry excuse of a civilization. Cry harder, babies.
@Lumipuna
Using non-Nazi sources, it appears that depending on your definition of white, between 12% and 25% of the world population is white (a huge range because the definition of white has changed throughout history and isn’t universal). Using the higher of those numbers, we get about 1.9 billion while with the lower we get 930 million.
White nationalists most likely use a very restrictive definition, because they want it to be an exclusive club and to play the victim. They’re also fond of saying 9%, although it’s unclear where they got that number, and using that value we get around 700 million. However, it would also be necessary to further account for the fact that at least some white people would belong to other groups they hate, for instance some would be LGBTQ+, some would be disabled, some would be progressive etc etc.
@ kat
The original Nazis had The Cross of Honour of the German Mother. That was a series of medals, Bronze, Silver, and Gold, depending on how many children you had. It also came with a number of practical benefits. Access to the best food, didn’t have to queue, and people had to give up seats on public transport. There was also an annuity but that was cut for budget reasons.
The weird thing is, it was copied from a French scheme, that is still in existence to this day!
https://www.elfac.org/france-centenary-of-medaille-de-la-famille-francaise-french-family-medal/
Whew, congrats to Abigail Shrier and the ringing endorsement of her book by the founder of neo-nazi site Stormfront!
Like, they don’t even know if Elliot Page is on T. He’s continuing to play a female character in The Umbrella Academy. Maybe he wants to be more gender fluid than straight-up masculine. But I suppose their rigid minds couldn’t really grasp such a nuanced concept. In any case, if the white race is so gosh darn fragile, let it fade away.
I’m sure FARTs are going to love their new(?) political allies. /s
Hey, they can’t be held at fault because nazis are sometimes right, broken clock, Hitler liked dogs, etc. /ss
It’s an interesting paradox I noticed as well. I guess it’s a necessary flip side of the “enemy is both too strong and too weak” mainstay of fascism: their own side is superior and unstoppable but also defenseless and needing special protection.
This sentiment can be traced back all the way to Nietzsche, and IIRC is nowadays part of Russian and North Korean nationalisms (probably more of them).