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Women lure men into marriage with baked goods, MGTOW Redditors warn

She’s my cherry pie

By David Futrelle

Fellas! Watch out! Women will do anything to trap men into marrying them — including baking!

I learned this today in the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit.

Bronzeraptor 2 points 7 hours ago 
True story:

While dating, my wife used to be into baking and I would get a ton of baked goods to eat. Once rings went on her finger, suddenly she wasn't interested in baking anymore. "It's too much work.." "We don't have the space..", etc. The wave of excuses continued

It's just a trap my bro


[–]jws755[S] 1 point 5 hours ago 
My ex did the same prior to the wedding. The baked goods and blowjobs both ended about a year after the honeymoon.

You’re just sitting there enjoying an endless stream of pies and cupcakes and freshly baked bread and the next thing you know you’re stuck in a loveless marriage without even a dinner roll to your name.

THAT’S HOW THEY GET YOU.

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Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Rhuu
I hadn’t heard of Dustin before, but reading that description I empathize much more with him than his father. I’d imagine the reader is supposed to empathize with Dustin.

They never help you make your point, and (as i said in the last thread), you never link to the source, so we can read it for ourselves.

Lenona also never explains why those sources support her argument. Any English teacher will tell you that you need to have an interpretation for your evidence, you can’t just throw evidence at your audience and expect them to understand your point. I’m not saying anyone has to write a research paper, in fact it’s better if people don’t, but just throwing vaguely cited quotes isn’t helpful. If someone wants to cite supporting evidence, they should summarize it and link the original source rather than posting long, largely irrelevant quotes. There used to be something in the Comments Policy about this, but I think it got removed.

Rent is more than anyone unemployed or under employed can afford, we’re in a pamdemic so most of the underpaying jobs aren’t hiring, and also *it isn’t safe to be out right now*.

In addition, for many, paying rent makes it impossible to put down a deposit on a house, as people don’t have enough at any one time and can’t save it because they need to pay rent, so people end up paying more for rent than they would if they could buy, but have no choice.

Bookworm in hijab
Bookworm in hijab
1 year ago

@ Rhuu,

Thanks for the link! I found the official site for the comics — they’re great!

Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
1 year ago

@ Naglfar –

I’d also imagine that the reader is supposed to empathise with Dustin, since he’s the titular character of the strip! XD

Re: quotes – interpreting them makes sense! I did that with the long dustin quote, and didn’t think about it. I’ll have to think about that point, so i make sure my links support my points. Hm.

Re: rent – and the down payments are SO MUCH. I was talking with some friends about how hard it can be to save up first, last, and any damage deposits necessary for rent, while still paying your current rent! Saving up for a house is so much worse. Especially for a single person.

@ Bookworm in hijab – you are as welcome as the flowers in spring. 🙂

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Rhuu

interpreting them makes sense! I did that with the long dustin quote, and didn’t think about it. I’ll have to think about that point, so i make sure my links support my points. Hm.

I wasn’t trying to call you out, I was referring to Lenona. You seem to be doing fine on that front, so don’t worry. In your context it seems fine.

I just checked out the comics and I concur with Bookworm above; they’re good.

Bookworm in hijab
Bookworm in hijab
1 year ago

@ Rhuu, Naglfar, and whoever might find it interesting, Barbara Ehrenreich’s books “Nickel and Dimed” and “Bait and Switch” are good reads about the impact of capitalism generally and the American economy specifically on people’s abilities to find and hold jobs. Your lived experiences have certainly given you full awareness of the info that she presents, but you might enjoy her way of laying it all out. IIRC she also comments on ageism and women’s employment prospects.

Bookworm in hijab
Bookworm in hijab
1 year ago

Also @Rhuu: ????

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
1 year ago

@Rhuu to add to your point about moving to a cheaper area, any such advice (or move where there are more jobs) is appliable only to middle/high class people, even if it’s not immediatly apparent.

Move out of where you have your root mean losing quite a bit of social safety net, along with your friends and connections. That’s costly and possibly dangerous depending on how often you need to rely on that.

And there’s also the problem that you need to have quite a bit of reserves to move, even if we suppose that it work out to more money later. It’s the Terry Pratchet point about how being poor is so expensive : a lot of financially wise decisions are out of reach if you don’t already have enough saving to enact them.

In addition to that, a lot of people badly botch their estimations on how moving would impact their living costs, at least in France. Typically, in France, Paris have food and commodities more expensive than the rest of the country. Except you also get paid more for most job, which cancel that. Cheap lodging often is far from public transportation, so you suddenly need a car ; and between gas, insurance, and repairs, cars are a LOT more expensive than they seem.

All that to say that moving to pay less rent or to find jobs is a risky, tricky endeavors that probably should only be suggested to people with a comfortable monetary cushions and/or a social net on their destination.

Moogue
Moogue
1 year ago

@Rhuu

“Kupo also posted how to do it, in a comment that was short and to the point.”

To be fair, Kupo also did some refering to the ‘tags’ in her explanation. I can understand how someone would be confused by kupo’s explanation, and then forget what she said, if they didn’t already know enough about html/computer stuff already.

Re: those damn lazy kids, staying in their parents home when the parents expected them to leave!!!!!!

I think there is something to be said for boomers, who are financially vulnerable, to still be financially supporting their kids. But then again, maybe boomers could face up to the fact that the politicians they’ve voted in are eating everyone’s faces, rather than bitching about how young people like lattes and can’t afford apartments.

And yes, I get it. Every 5 dollars you spend on a latte, could be more than 5 dollars if you invested it. Nickels and dimes add up-hence the saying. But at what point are we just stripping out all the pleasure in life? Things have to be a balance, and somethings wrong with the situation if people can’t balance some simple, small pleasures into their life.

My dad used to sometimes give me shit for going out for coffee semi-frequently. He said that I could buy the cheapest instant coffee and make it at home, to save money. Well yes, I said, but I could save even more money by drinking water instead. He agreed. And then I told him that he could do the same, since he was so smart and frugal. He could save money drinking water instead of juice, or better yet, drinking water instead of beer. (Dad’s an alcoholic, gotta hit him where it hurts). And then there was the new fishing pole, and all the gas he spends driving to his favorite fishing spots. And he looked horrified. He has to have something small in life to look forward to. Otherwise why even go on?

Isn’t that something?

“so people end up paying more for rent than they would if they could buy, but have no choice.

Isn’t this just hilarious?

I’m so sick of people telling young people how financially savy it is to rent. Sometimes it is, but then again rents cost more than mortgages in much of the country. You usually end up spending money to fix the place up, and you don’t even get a return on your investment, so at the end of decades, and hundreds of thousands of dollars spent, you are left with nothing.

I guess someone powerful figured out that owning a home is the major source of financial stability for lower and middle class people.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Ohlmann
And at least in the US, cities and suburbs are basically designed so that if you want to live somewhere cheap you need a car, and if you want to live somewhere where you don’t need a car, it won’t be cheap. So either way it’s not cheap. And then there’s how most US cities have very limited or nonexistent public transport (with some exceptions like New York or Chicago).

@Moogue

maybe boomers could face up to the fact that the politicians they’ve voted in are eating everyone’s faces, rather than bitching about how young people like lattes and can’t afford apartments.

Ah, but that would require self reflection, and it’s easier to just blame millennials for all the problems they inherited.

Every 5 dollars you spend on a latte, could be more than 5 dollars if you invested it.

Probably not in this economy. It might make Jeff Bezos more money, but not most people.

I’m so sick of people telling young people how financially savy it is to rent.

A good general rule is, if someone claims to be giving one-size-fits-all financial advice, they don’t have a clue what they’re talking about.

Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
1 year ago

@naglfar – sorry, i should have been clearer. I meant it is a thing i did unconciously, and it is a good thing for me to be aware of, so i can continue to do it! Basically a “huh! TIL” kinda thing. 🙂

@ Bookworm in hijab – i put holds on both!

Bookworm in hijab
Bookworm in hijab
1 year ago

@ Rhuu,

How are libraries working where you are? I was gutted when ours imposed the (very sensible and necessary) restrictions; they are slowly easing off and I have such a backlog of books I want to read!

It’s been years since I read her books, and iirc she has some ableist stuff in them, but overall a very well-written, clear exploration. Please tell me what you think!

Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
1 year ago

@ Ohlmann – it’s also such a ridiculous suggestion. “Rent is so high, here.” “Why don’t you move??”

Like, obviously i would move if it was a better outcome. Obviously. That’s not rocket science!! If i am complaining about the rent in the city, just because i could move to some town with 300 people in it in the middle of the prairies and buy a house for like 100k (i’m guessing, i haven’t looked into this) doesn’t mean i’m stupid for staying in the city.

If i moved, i would be WFH in a place where i have no social network at all, and would be even MORE isolated.

I’ve, like most people, have weighed the pros and cons. When i’m finally renovicted or something, i’ll have to decide what i’ll do. :/ :/ :/

@Moogue – i learned that we all need something nice after 2009, when i was robbing peter to pay paul, so i could stay in my (100% illegal) basement apartment that i shared with friends. Family members were also going through that, and a different family member was like “why do they spend money on X, though!!!!!”

The answer, i learned, is because treating yourself once in a while makes life less sad.

@Bookworm in hijab – only some branches are open. We’re in stage 3 in Toronto, so things are slightly under control. I’m actually doing some errands today???? (Looking for a bamboo steamer, so i can try to make dumplings, mmmmm)

Masks are mandatory inside stores amd public buildings, so i feel okay-ish going out.

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