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Is heterosexuality gay? A confused Roosh V ponders the question

Yes, his beard is slowly eating his head

By David Futrelle

The newly-minted Christian moralist Roosh V spent many years of his life immersed in a lifestyle that one can only call depraved — using a crude and predatory version of “pickup artistry” that at times seems to have been indistinguishable from rape to “score” with women; he wrote a series of books teaching other men how to do the same.

Now he’s turned his back on his old ways. Not, it seems, because he recognizes the real harm he did to his victims, but because he’s now convinced that “heterosexual fornication,” as he puts it, is too gay.

No, really. In a post on his blog last week, Roosh spelled out his, er, logic.

At a time in my life when I was attacking homosexuals for their degenerate fornication lifestyle, I was participating in a degenerate fornication lifestyle. Outside of the difference that they had sex with men and I had sex with women, our lifestyles, moral outlook, and approach to intimacy were almost identical. I may not have been a homosexual by definition, but I was a homosexual in spirit.

Roosh, in true clickbait style, then lays out 15 reasons that fornicators of the heterosexual variety are acting the same as fornicators of the homosexual variety. And it doesn’t take long to see that the actual behavior of gay men doesn’t really have anything to do with any of this: he’s simply taken his own bad behavior as a pickup artist and projected it onto gays and their, ahem, “doo-doo lifestyle.”

He declares that male “fornicators” use “drugs or alcohol” to “seal the deal” with their would-be conquests.

All potential sexual prospects for the night are plied with drink or pills to get them in a heightened state of lust, and then at the peak moment of attraction, an attempt is made to move to a private bedroom (or bathroom) to complete a sex act. If you’re an active fornicator, I can just about guarantee that you have never slept with a woman for the first time without the aid of a psychoactive substance.

Speak for yourself, you date-rapey creep.

Actually, he has already spoken for himself — specifically, in his book Bang Iceland, where he confessed to having sex with a woman so inebriated that “[i]n America, having sex with her would have been rape, since she couldn’t legally give her consent.”

(Guess what, dude; they have those same laws in Iceland, too. You. Raped. Her.) 

The rest of the post is made up with similar half-confessions, alongside brief rants on things Roosh finds distasteful (anal sex, abortion, personal grooming). Apparently the only form of acceptable sex to Roosh these days is the old-fashioned penis-in-vagina variety. “A human mouth is not a place to put a penis,” he explains at one point.

An anus is not a place to put a penis. Your mouth is not intended to slurp up a vagina or anus. … When you’re addicted to gaining physical pleasure, you have to get creative in vile and disease-causing ways just for a little extra shot of pleasure.

He excoriates both straight and gay men who have sex without condoms, assuming that this is pretty much universal behavior.

The ones who say they “always use condoms” are not being honest, because once you hear details of their sexual encounters, you’ll see that they use condoms only when a woman forces them to, or when one puts out severe warning signs like having a facial tattoo, but even then, many men hope they can fornicate without protection.

Roosh is again assuming that his behavior in his “pickup artist” years — when he was obsessed with “raw dogging” — matches the behavior of all other “fornicators.” (Sadly, it does match most American Fornicators)

Roosh goes on to charge both straight and gay men with having “sex with partners they have no feelings for.” This time he uses an example from his own life rather than simply projecting his experiences onto others.

Many times I would dance like a monkey for a girl I didn’t like, to entertain her and maintain her attraction, just so I can access her hole and have an orgasm. … Through fornication, both gay and straight stop viewing human beings as human, but as vessels to a sex act that is barely more intimate than masturbation, and any means will justify that end.

Well, yes, if you’re a manipulative shithead who insists on having sex with people you hate … there’s a pretty good chance that no one is going to have a good time.

As a new convert to Orthdox Chistianity, Roosh makes sure to mention God and his basement-dwelling friend, denouncing the allegedly “Satanic” consequences of the sexual revolution that gave Roosh his career as a (very bad) writer in the first place.

He ends with this uplifting passage from the Book of Roosh.

A society of homosexual fornicators, flaunting their behavior in public, can’t be achieved without first having a society of heterosexual fornicators. Both go hand in hand to divide and destroy both sexes while preventing the creation of families. More severely, fornication separates you from God and destroys your soul, one casual hook-up at a time. It pains me to think of how deceived I was to partake in this evil for so long.

Dude, it’s actually a good thing that you feel guilty about what you did. But you’re not feeling guilty over the right thing. It’s not (consensual) fornication that’s the problem; it’s the rapes that you so casually confessed to in your dating guides date-rape manuals.

Your God may forgive you for that, but we won’t.

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Gaebolga
Gaebolga
1 year ago

Rooshbag wrote:

At a time in my life when I was attacking homosexuals for their degenerate fornication lifestyle, I was participating in a degenerate fornication lifestyle. Outside of the difference that they had sex with men and I had sex with women, our lifestyles, moral outlook, and approach to intimacy were almost identical.

[Emphasis mine]

So lesbians aren’t homosexuals?

Good to know….

Susan
Susan
1 year ago

@Gaebolga

It’s not that lesbians aren’t homosexuals, it’s that women aren’t people.

Lollypop
Lollypop
1 year ago

@Naglfar

I understand Roosh’s crisis, I just wish he’d taken it as an opportunity for self improvement rather than this.

That’s the saddest thing, really. His ageing could’ve been a teachable moment to understand that his worldview doesn’t actually have a relationship to objective reality, and the bereavement a realisation that it’s human connection that’s really important in life. Instead, he just chose another ideology which is just as hateful and self-serving as the one he pursued before.

Mind you, it does also seem to be one that doesn’t play as well on the internet, so at least he doesn’t get to broadcast to quite the same number of people as he did before.

Amtep
Amtep
1 year ago

Homophobe discovers that he actually has lots in common with gay people.

Homophobe concludes that his entire life must have been bad,

Such a missed turn 🙁

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
1 year ago

Pretty confident that Roosh has committed way, way more rapes than he has confessed to committing. He’s one of the serial rapists who bump up the victim count until a quarter or a third of all women can report being sexually assaulted.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Gaebolga
I find that some straight male homophobes make somewhat of a distinction between gay men and lesbians because they fetishize lesbians. They still don’t like them, mind you, but it’s a different kind of disdain. Or he subscribes to the manosphere view that lesbians don’t exist.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
1 year ago

Apparently being vulnerable to another person, in a healthy relationship, is “gay” now? The world according to Roosh is such a strange place. I’d rather live here, which is saying something considering how 2020 has gone so far.

Shadowplay
1 year ago

Poor wee lad. Dude picked the wrong religion for his need for power and control.

Like most, Orthodox needs you to “do your time” before you get any power. It’s not some evangelical church where charisma and brass (both face and pocket varieties) is the only thing as counts.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Shadowplay
He also picked the wrong one if he’s trying to ingratiate himself with the alt right. Most alt rightists are evangelicals (with a small but vocal minority of Catholics) and probably don’t think too highly of Eastern Orthodox churches. Roosh’s career as an alt right grifter has also been set back by his skin color and his pickup artistry which they see as “degenerate”. On the bright side, this probably makes him sink further into obscurity.

Shadowplay
1 year ago

That’d be such a shame. 🙂

sunnysombrera
1 year ago

Pretty confident that Roosh has committed way, way more rapes than he has confessed to committing.

Considering that he thinks rape is only done by strangers in bushes, but “a man’s nut is the most important thing”, yes. Some form of coercion or manipulation was his MO and I’d be surprised if he ever had as much as enthusiastic consent.

Shadowplay
1 year ago

I’d be surprised if he ever had as much as enthusiastic consent.

You know, I’ve been thinking about this a bit and I do think he’s had enthusiastic consent (and willing cooperation) a couple of times. Every so often, even when he was at his peak PUA, he’d pop off about sluts for no reason at all. Figure those were the times he’d met a woman as actually wanted sex and were out actively looking for it.

Frightened him, I think.

Battering Lamb
Battering Lamb
1 year ago

I find that some straight male homophobes make somewhat of a distinction between gay men and lesbians because they fetishize lesbians. They still don’t like them, mind you, but it’s a different kind of disdain. Or he subscribes to the manosphere view that lesbians don’t exist.

This. According to these dingdongs lesbianism is a performance for seducing men, since the idea that something is not about their penis is just incomprehensible to them.

Kinda like how biphobia translates bi men to closeted gay men and bi women as ‘doing it for male attention’.

I’m AMAB and I have always been puzzled (and grossed out) by cis men’s aggrandizing obsession with their own penises.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Shadowplay
It frightened him because if a woman wants sex, that means him having sex with her gives both participants what they want. He doesn’t want to have sex with an enthusiastic partner, he wants to force women to have sex with him. He wants power.

@Battering Lamb

Kinda like how biphobia translates bi men to closeted gay men and bi women as ‘doing it for male attention’.

Always about the menz. I’m bi myself but I am not open about it IRL for this reason. At the same time, some gay people (men and lesbians) are opposed to dating bi people because they think the opposite: that bi people are straight people experimenting and aren’t suitable for long term relationships (notably, Dan Savage advised his gay male readers to avoid bisexual men for anything longer than a one night stand).

I’m AMAB and I have always been puzzled (and grossed out) by cis men’s aggrandizing obsession with their own penises.

I’ve never understood this either; before my egg cracked I was especially confused because I assumed all penis owners disliked their genitals (what I now recognize as genital dysphoria). I now understand that some penis-havers like theirs, but it still seems a bit extreme how much some cishet men center around their penises.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
1 year ago

@Douche:

…stop viewing human beings as human, but as vessels to a sex act that is barely more intimate than masturbation, and any means will justify that end.

Soooo close to realizing “sin begins with treating people as things”. So close.

@Lollypop:

It was hilarious and tragic, as he grappled with the idea that maybe men don’t all age like fine wine, becoming ever more powerful and attractive in their seductive powers well into their fifties, and he wanted to warn his readers that this red pill staple might not be as true as he once thought.

Yeah, I think that only works if you’re rich and/or rockstar-level famous.

I think losing his sister to cancer pushed him into full religious fanaticism. Although he seems to have missed the bit where you are meant to be kind and forgiving.

In fairness to Douche, a lot of Christians seem to have missed that bit, though most of them identify as Evangelical Protestant rather than Orthodox.

Catalpa
Catalpa
1 year ago

According to these dingdongs lesbianism is a performance for seducing men, since the idea that something is not about their penis is just incomprehensible to them.

Well, the TERFs are at least fighting for “equality” by believing the same thing about their vaginas, at least when it comes to gender identity. Trans women?Definitely out to seduce lesbian TERFs. Trans men? Just butch lesbians who took the butch thing too far. Enbies? They’re only doing it for the attention (of the TERFs). ?

So it’s not only penises that seem to make folks believe that the universe revolves around their genitals.

Paireon
Paireon
1 year ago

Reading this delusional, projecting dingus’s reality-divorced (and yet so close at times… swing and a miss, I guess, which is as “surprising” as any manospherian’s epiphany blindness) semi-coherent ramblings almost made me laugh… Then I remembered he’s still a disgusting, misogynistic, homophobic serial rapist. And his idea of “turning a new leaf” sucks.

@Battering Lamb – I’m actually a cishet man myself, and I’m also rather puzzled by so many of my fellows’ wang obsessions. Not disgusted because it’s a very functional and potentially fun piece of anatomy when properly used, though, but the constant bullshit about size and girth and mastership and whatnot does get tiresome.

OT: Disappeared a bit again but good news: I’m back to work! Good thing too as my Canada Emergency Response Benefit was due to end by July. Now to get used to the daily grind back again.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Paireon

the constant bullshit about size and girth and mastership and whatnot does get tiresome.

I used to have a subscription to Popular Science magazine (I don’t anymore because they got too sensational and started being bimonthly instead of monthly) and one thing that always surprised me was how many ads they had at the back for dodgy penis enlargement pills. I doubt any of them would work*, but every issue they kept having ads at the back.

*It’s possible that increasing testosterone levels could increase size slightly but I am not sure if that was what was in the pills and extra high testosterone levels (i.e. adding beyond normal cis male levels) could have a few rather undesirable side effects like hair loss, increased cancer risk, aggression, etc.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
1 year ago

@Ledasmom:

Every time I see the name “Roosh V” I am terrified that there might be four more of him.

Could be worse.

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@Victorious Parasol:

The world according to Roosh is such a strange place. I’d rather live here, which is saying something considering how 2020 has gone so far.

Are you sure?

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@Paireon:

Then I remembered he’s still a disgusting, misogynistic, homophobic serial rapist. And his idea of “turning a new leaf” sucks.

Well, at least it seems he’s no longer an active rapist. The women of the world can breathe a little easier … just so long as none of them marries him, of course.

The big worry now would be what he’s planning to do with that gun …

Paireon
Paireon
1 year ago

@Surplus:

The big worry now would be what he’s planning to do with that gun …

Probably some kind of symbolic replacement for his former “active virility” (crap that sounds stupid…). Whether it’s a good or bad thing will depend on whether he uses it at all. Which… is not exactly comforting, I’ll admit.

Catalpa
Catalpa
1 year ago

Well, at least it seems he’s no longer an active rapist

I’m betting that’s only going to last for as long as it takes him to trap a woman into marriage with him. I’m 100% sure that Roosh will be totally on-board with marital rape.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Catalpa
Since he thinks rape should be legal on private property, I think it’s safe to say that he would be a horrific husband.

Dalillama
Dalillama
1 year ago

@Surplus

Yeah, I think that only works if you’re rich and/or rockstar-level famous.

It also works if you’re charming and engaging, neither of which Roosh could manage if his life depended on it.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Dalillama
Presumably if he was charming and engaging he wouldn’t have become a pickup artist, typically people only go that route if they are narcissistic and creepy.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
1 year ago

@Surplus

My mood is quite elevated today, so yes.

See, last week a friend of mine (who’s an honorary brother) was in a car accident. He’s been in the ICU and on a ventilator, unable to talk to friends, everything pretty much locked down to his parents as next of kin. He has fractured ribs and a fractured C2 (currently treated with cervical collar).

I’ve been sending him DMs that he can read later. Today’s DM said:

It’s my birthday today, and the bestest present would be hearing that you’ve been transferred out of the ICU to another unit for observation prior to discharge.

An hour later, another friend told me that my bro is recognizing his mom. His fever is resolved. His breathing is improved. He can move every limb.

Not exactly what my birthday wish called for, but I’ll take it.

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