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A deadly stabbing attack at a Toronto massage parlor was an act of incel terrorism, police say; incels call it “life fuel”

Comments on the killing from Incels.co

By David Futrelle

Canadian authorities have charged a 17-year-old who allegedly went on a stabbing rampage in a Toronto massage parlor with terrorism, saying that the suspect “was inspired by the Ideologically Motivated Violent Extremist (IMVE) movement commonly known as INCEL”

Globalnews.ca reports:

Charges against the suspect accused of carrying out the Feb. 24 stabbing attack, which killed a woman and injured another, were updated in court on Tuesday to “murder — terrorist activity.” …

In a joint statement, the RCMP and Toronto Police Service said their investigation had determined the attack “was inspired by the Ideologically Motivated Violent Extremist (IMVE) movement commonly known as INCEL.”

“As a result, federal and provincial Attorney Generals have consented to commence terrorism proceedings, alleging that the murder was terrorist activity … and the attempted murder was terrorist activity.”

Experts said it was the first time a terrorism charge had been laid over violence tied to incels … .

It’s good to see authorities treating incel-motivated violence for what it is — terrorism — though it still boggles the mind that the alleged perpetrator of the 2018 Toronto van attacks, which killed ten, was never charged with terrorism.

The police didn’t reveal specifically what evidence there is linking the alleged massage parlor murderer with the incel “movement,” but a source told the Toronto Sun that he was carrying a note in his pocket that made his motivation clear.

Over on Incels..co. the most active online forum for incels, the regulars are reacting much as they do any time an incel “goes ER” and murders someone, or a whole bunch of someones: Some are cheering it on, while others are complaining that their movement, which they deny is a movement, is being linked to a crime that it does indeed seem to be linked to — and wondering why they’re not being treated as the real victims in all this.

“[L]ife fuel tbh,” wrote one commenter in a thread on the subject. “Good news,” added another. “[Toronto van attacker Alek] Minassian got out I see,” still another commenter joked.

One self-described “Anarcho nihilist” wondered about the slain woman’s looks:

What did the victim look like, is there any photos of her, I’m assuming she may be a stacy since she works in a spa

Others agreed that because the victim was a sex worker “nothing of value was lost.”

A commenter called ChinaCurry wondered why no one was focusing on the real victims — them.

[W]e are the only group of massively socially disadvantaged people (in first world countries) yet we are fucking victimised and treated as the criminals, rather than the victims!

That’s kind of what happens when you murder people, or cheer on others like you who murder.

We are the one group of disadvantaged, disenfranchised, unfortunate people, who are not deemed worthy of any help. Instead social engineering is designed to turn people MORE against us! Why is no one asking about the perpetrators life? What he had to endure, and compare that to the lives of the massage girls? They would have had the most amazing lives, being desired and validated and paid by cucks all day to jerk them off, and then gone to fuck chad on the side.

I’m sure it was a very glamorous job, and that this justifies her murder.

Whereas the kid, if he was an incel, which they haven’t even proven, spent his life being lied to by bluepill society and parents, and this is the shit u get.

Society literally abandons us from the age of 5 to fend for ourselves, and then is weirded out when we do fend for ourselves??¿

Going on a stabbing rampage is the strangest example of “fending for oneself” I’ve ever seen..

An incel called koruga worried about the future:

It is only a matter of time before a large-scale false flag attack is carried out and the persecution of ugly men becomes something real and normalized.

There’s no need for “false flags.” Incels’ own words and actions condemn them. The incel ideology inspires terrorism, and incels by and large seem fine with that. It’s good that Canada is taking this terrorism seriously — and straight-up calling it what it is. I hope authorities elsewhere will do the same.

H/T — everyone who linked me to this story on Twitter

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97 replies on “A deadly stabbing attack at a Toronto massage parlor was an act of incel terrorism, police say; incels call it “life fuel””

Why is no one asking about the perpetrators life? What he had to endure, and compare that to the lives of the massage girls?

I’m reasonably sure that he did not have to endure being stabbed to death.

I just saw this news and was about to post it in a comment.

Unlike many, many mass murders, this time the suspect did not commit suicide and instead was arrested. I found the following of particular interest:

The 17-year-old accused appeared at a Toronto court via video link on Tuesday, where Crown attorneys laid the updated terrorism charges, which are:

First-degree murder – terrorist activity.
Attempted murder – terrorist activity.

The updated charges mean the accused could face an automatic life sentence if he is convicted on any of the charges. The Criminal Code states that anyone convicted of an indictable offence linked to terrorism is “liable to imprisonment for life.”

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/incel-terrorism-massage-parlour-1.5575689

Whereas the kid, if he was an incel, which they haven’t even proven, spent his life being lied to by bluepill society and parents, and this is the shit u get.

Same old, same old that abusers always say:

Not true, of course it’s not true, but if it is true I have a bullshit excuse.

I’m glad that incel terrorism is being taken seriously, although it is a bit late seeing as this is definitely not the first such attack.

they deny is a movement

That’s new. I thought they were always talking about it as a movement.

It is only a matter of time before a large-scale false flag attack is carried out and the persecution of ugly men becomes something real and normalized.

I think this is their way of threatening indirectly some sort of attack. We all know that whenever a right wing group accuses anyone of anything they are telling on themselves.

Well, as you noted, there would be no need for a false flag. It would be like framing Ted Bundy. It’s not like he was going to stop.

But why would anyone want to stage a false flag operation in the first place? Is there a Vast Conspiracy against incels?

All the time these skidmarks wail about how hideous they are, and I can’t help but think of the one line in Phantom of the Opera where Christine cringes away from the Phantom:

“That tortured face holds no horror for me now/ It’s in your soul that the true/ distortion lies…”

It’s not in your canthal tilt, boys.

@jsrtheta

Is there a Vast Conspiracy against incels?

Well, isn’t that what we do here at the Feminist Conspiracy HQ? /s

@Naglfar

I thought they were always talking about it as a movement.

It changes depending on the needs of the moment. Just like the “core beliefs” of any right-wing group, facts can be adopted and discarded depending on what supports the argument of the moment, which can also be adopted and discarded depending on what argument, at the moment, supports the right-wing position, which always, always comes down to “Hurt Others.”

@WWTH

They retroactively decide they were persecuted. All to feel the more persecuted.

This is just sickening. They deserve to be treated as terrorists because that is what they are. I’m supposed to feel sorry for violent creeps like it’s my fault? Nothing excuses that violence ever.

@StacySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
It’s been a while since I saw you around here. Welcome back!

@Naglfar

Thank you so very much! I was mad about the creep that David’s last post was about talking about women on pedestals because the creep doesn’t know the irony that for some of us they’re literal and of our choice and making. That made me reply to that one but then there was this horrible news. These awful creeps seem to get worse and worse.

My salon has been closed now for two months and it was really difficult at first. It’s still hard but my boss found ways for me to keep busy and help her and so she was still able to pay me. Right before the pandemic got bad I had just been working on some really exciting new projects in my personal life that my job had inspired but now are mostly on hold.

I hope you and everyone are safe and well.

I’m reasonably sure that he did not have to endure being stabbed to death.

Well, not to death, anyway:

“He brought a machete to f——- kill us. I don’t know if (Arzaga) had the ability to fight back, but I did,” added the woman, who had a bandaged arm and blood around her fingernails. “I fought and got the machete from him and put it through his back.”

From https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/machete-attack-victim-returns-to-murder-scene-bloodied-and-angry

Do you think his fans will turn on him when they find out he got bested by a foid?

Hey Stacey! Nice to see you back. Sorry to hear how the lockdown is affecting your performances; but glad you’re able to keep earning.

Get what you mean about projects. The lockdown has been great for me in terms of planning, and plotting; but now really keen to actually action* all our plans.

(*apologies to people who don’t like action as a verb; working late again so mind gone a bit ‘metal, dig, food’)

@Nequam

I think the woman in that quote is awesome. Thank you for that link!

They would have had the most amazing lives, being desired and validated and paid by cucks all day to jerk them off, and then gone to fuck chad on the side.

How do I unpack this suitcase full of shit?

They – the massage girls – had the most amazing lives? WTF? This delusional A hole thinks being a sex worker in a ‘rub n tug’ is amazing? I don’t know what the prostitution laws are in Canada, but this sort of thing (even though illegal) is quite easy to find here in the crazy land I live in – Florida.

Down here it’s always an Asian Massage or Chinese Massage so you can guarantee that the ladies who work there get a healthy dose of racist fetishism along with the happy endings they have to provide their clients.

Also, I have zero idea if any of the women that work in those establishments are being trafficked by the business owners, but I bet quite a few of them are. So what kind of Hell are their lives, really?

They are not desired, their service is desired.

They are NOT validated, they are very often used, abused and degraded. I don’t look down on the women that do this for money, they obviously have life circumstances that have led them there and they must do what they must to survive. But I do know that no little girl wakes up one day and says, “Gee, when I grow up I want to touch a dozen different strange men everyday who pay me to sexually gratify them.”

And to be a woman working in the Canadian sex industry, dealing with all the crap they have to deal with, to one day have some internet indoctrinated misogynist 17 year old kid come in and STAB you to death? Just – NO! No, incels are not the victims in this scenario.

Violence committed in the name of misogyny is a hate crime/terrorism and I hope it starts to be treated the same way in the States in the near future.

I heard a snippet of the TV news from the other room and it mentioned incels; my first thought was that something violent had just happened.

:/

To respond to a bit of the rhetoric:

…the persecution of ugly men becomes something real and normalized

Disingenuous. I doubt that’ll be most people’s takeaway. They might be more suspicious of self-proclaimed incels, and for good reason. Don’t try to drag so-called “ugly” men down with you; I’m sure most of them don’t want to go there. And good looks are subjective anyway.

@Alan

Thank you, that is so nice! Yes, we had to get ingenious. A lot of salons are not going to survive. My boss kept paying our stylists but without the tips some were stretched. Some got ingenious doing personally guided home care sessions on Zoom with clients. It’s not the same for what I do. Being on Zoom isn’t the same as when I’m there but I did a how-to session on wearing full latex. My friend came over to help me get into it and we narrated the whole thing. She wasn’t really supposed to come over to my apartment but it was just that one day and I needed to do it. It was hard work as always but fun although it hurt my heart to know that I was in it loving how I looked yet couldn’t go out the door even. On top of the amount we charged I got a lot in tips. It wasn’t the same as being in person but people did see how much really goes into it and how much work it takes. My BDSM social club can’t get together of course and I miss my guy but like I said I can still plan!

Action can be a verb because you just made it one. Language is flexible! What are your projects?

I hope you are safe and healthy. The awfulness of this latest attack sickens me and I want to send positive energy out into the universe.

@Nequam

Do you think his fans will turn on him when they find out he got bested by a foid?

They’ll say she was past the wall, so this is all on her, not on him.

@Alan, Stacy

Get what you mean about projects. The lockdown has been great for me in terms of planning, and plotting; but now really keen to actually action* all our plans.

Can relate, I’ve fallen behind on my plans that I originally had. Still hoping to record some music soon because I can do that at home, but we’ll see what I get around to. I’ve written parts of some songs but still need to finish them up and record.

@Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile

That seems like a fitting punishment. Most of those scum seem to have a death wish, so it is only fair that they are forced to live and face the consequences of their actions. Perhaps now he will appreciate the fact that their are far worse things in life than not getting laid.

@ stacey & naglfar

I’m very well thank you. Hope you are too.

When Isaac Newton was in lockdown he used the time to invent calculus. I’ve done a bunch of rubbish videos for my website.

There is a lot happening for me at the moment. Got some interesting animal rights campaigns brewing; including a nice multi-national one. Really enjoying that. We’re having to work to US time though; hence still being up at 4:00am.

@Naglfar

That’s so exciting that you are writing! Creativity is sacred and so sustaining. May I ask what genre of music you write and perform?

I had been reading up on modern goddess worship and working on a big project about syncretizing the idea of being a living goddess with modern life and making plans to live that out. It involved some real estate, construction and rental property stuff that I can do but is new to me but all that’s on hold now until we’re not on lockdown.

@Alan

That is such a noble cause. You are speaking for lives who communicate in ways not all humans are attuned to and you give those lives a voice. And you’re dedicated to work late like that.

@Stacy
I’m mostly writing extreme metal music, but I tend to add elements of other genres such as classical or blues as well. So far I’ve got parts of some songs written but still need to finish them up and actually record the music then mix it together. If/when I get the recording and mixing done I will of course give a link so anyone interested here can check it out.

Does anyone know where incels.co is hosted; and/or the location of the people running it?

A number of countries have laws that, to one extent or another, prohibit the promotion of terrorism and even merely celebrating it.

There doesn’t seem to be much enthusiasm though for going after operators/contributors/commentators. But maybe in Canada at least this incident might be a watershed. One can only hope.

If they get a life sentence they should have feminist literature and classics read by a woman reader over a sound system in their cell. Start with Wallstonecraft. Or maybe Audre Lorde now that I think about it.

@Alan Robertshaw
It says here that it’s hosted on Epik. Epik has a bit of a history of hosting hate sites, so I’m not too surprised. I can’t find their location (they’re a bit secretive about it, possibly for this reason), but maybe someone with better skills can.

Wonder if we’re going to get any trolls on this post…

The various woman-hater types love to complain that men do the most dangerous jobs, but they’re not counting sex work. Prostitution is dangerous, and women are the vast majority of the victims. But they’re women, and they work in prostitution, so they don’t even register as human, I guess.

@Allandrel

It changes depending on the needs of the moment. Just like the “core beliefs” of any right-wing group, facts can be adopted and discarded depending on what supports the argument of the moment, which can also be adopted and discarded depending on what argument, at the moment, supports the right-wing position, which always, always comes down to “Hurt Others.”

So in other words: they are engaging in one great big “Card Say’s Moop’s Maneuver”.

At this point we should just feed them to lions or something. I know that we aren’t suppose to wish harm on anyone. But… how can something so hateful, so vile, so devoid of human empathy and emotion live on a planet such as this. It’s like looking into the face of a demon, or a monster. It’s like they aren’t even human with the hate they carry. I have only seen such evil like that once in my life and when we have threads like that I just picture that face in my mind again. A face that stopped being human and shoved me what evil was.

@weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee:

Society literally abandons us from the age of 5

What? How can you possibly tell if a 5 year old is going to grow up to be a chad or an incel? Mostly 5 year olds are pretty cute.

Well, 5 years old is about the time that most kids are taught how to keep their hands to themselves and respect other people, so I can see how incels think that’s the beginning of their oppression.

Either that, or he still hates his mom for dropping him off at kindergarten.

group of massively socially disadvantaged people (in first world countries) yet we are fucking victimised and treated as the criminals, rather than the victims

Ooh! Ooh! I know this one! You’re sex workers!

Or maybe African-Americans!

Or undocumented immigrants?

No?

Odd … I was sure I had this one …

@Naglfar

According to Wikipedia the owner is American (and unsurprisingly is a neo-Nazi in every way save for openly declaring himself as one)and the company is located in Washington. It’s only a matter of time before the antics of the websites he hosts catch up to him.

We are the one group of disadvantaged, disenfranchised, unfortunate people, who are not deemed worthy of any help. Instead social engineering is designed to turn people MORE against us!

Disenfranchised? The whole thing is bullshit, of course, but that part jumped out at me. How are they disenfranchised? Is there now a compulsory wrist circumference test before you can vote? I guess he means that there are no politicians fighting for incel rights. Well, yeah: what do you expect when your platform is basically “let me rape” and “government-supplied girlfriends”?

And “society doesn’t like it when I kill ‘foids! Oppression!!”

Douche nozzles.

@Moggie

I believe their platform is Let me rape government-supplied girlfriends.

@Amadaun

Well, 5 years old is about the time that most kids are taught how to keep their hands to themselves and respect other people, so I can see how incels think that’s the beginning of their oppression.

I don’t think I even have a lot of memories from time before I was five. The ones that I do have are either great or horrible, there’s very little everyday stuff. So maybe if you never got into a scuffle or had an accident as a kid and nothing actually traumatic happened before you were five, you might remember that time as blissful or something, and assume that the dullness of everyday life later on means that you’re being treated worse than before.

Then again, just having to clean your own room and put your laundry in the hamper is probably oppression to these types.

Society literally abandons us from the age of 5

I’m going to need specifics for this claim. Were you, for example, an orphan living on the street?

to fend for ourselves,

Again, specifics are required. Did you have to rustle up your meals from a garbage can?

and then is weirded out

By “weirded out,” do you mean this killer was arrested? Yes, this is what you mean.

when we do fend for ourselves??¿

You seem to think “fend” means “kill.” It does not.

@Kat
Wait, does that mean he’s been killing people since he was five years old?

@Anonymous

According to Wikipedia the owner is American (and unsurprisingly is a neo-Nazi in every way save for openly declaring himself as one)and the company is located in Washington. It’s only a matter of time before the antics of the websites he hosts catch up to him.

I’m still not sure where the servers are, though; these kinds of ventures often hide their servers to keep anyone from taking down.
Seeing as this site started providing everything except hosting for 8chan right after the El Paso shooting, they probably won’t be encouraged to take any sort of action against Incels.co unless either the law gets involved or some sort of other action damages their bottom line.

@Moggie

I guess he means that there are no politicians fighting for incel rights.

I don’t know where he lives, but here in the US there is the Republican Party which has shown itself on multiple occasions to be rather sympathetic to incels. And in Canada Jordan Peterson talks about enforced monogamy a lot, so maybe there is some party that supports that.

Society literally abandons us from the age of 5

Is that when he started hunting his own seagulls?

Good luck to everyone with their creative projects. I’ve finished my guide book update, I’ve done the translating for the Spanish version and I’m waiting for friends to correct my Spanish before it goes for layout. Meanwhile I’m working on a whodunnit but it’s going very slowly.

It’s incredibly frustrating,
These idiots don’t realise that their own misery stems entirely form their inflated sense of entitlement.

If you think you are entitled to love and affection, and see sub human beings who owe it to them, then yeah, they are going to get all pissed off you not getting what they believe they were supposed to be handed.

Whereas is they didn’t feel entitled to women’s time and bodies, and saw women as actual human beings equal to them they would be a whole lot less pissed off, able to actually do something with their lives, and might actually make some human connections insteading of pushing everyone away.

@Sheila Crosby

Good luck in the whodunit writing! Even if you only make a little progress here and there at first, it’s still progress and it counts and it’ll build up. How do you feel after you’ve written another piece? Does the act as well as the result of writing uplift you?

Once I started to embrace the idea that the way I live in terms of how I dress and the relationships I form even is really performance art, I realized I get as uplifted from planning the outfit and scene as I do from setting it up and living it.

What is your guidebook to?

@Naglfar
In his case, he bought out a cybersecurity company whose services included DDoS protection, no doubt because it was easier to eliminate the middleman than to explain to Cloudflare why they ought to protect their servers.

Epik’s website doesn’t list locations, but judging by their website’s claims I wouldn’t be surprised if the servers were dispersed throughout multiple countries.

@Anonymous

Epik’s website doesn’t list locations, but judging by their website’s claims I wouldn’t be surprised if the servers were dispersed throughout multiple countries.

Yep, sounds about right for a company whose main clientele is “terrorists and those who love them.”

The only reason they don’t host 8chan in full and only provide some services is because their hardware provider threatened to kick them off. The founder of Epik is a piece of work too.

I was going to make a comment about the inaccurate use of ‘literally’, but Kat did it for me.

@Sheila, good luck with the writing. I haven’t been able to write much since lock down. My brain is lacking imagination except at night when my dreams have been messed up. I managed to start a couple of projects but then…nothing.

@Stacy:

In the wise words of Calvin, “Verbing weirds language.” 😉

Didn’t do all that much with the month-and-a-half I was kept home (I’m back at work now): watched some of the movies I’d been meaning to get around to (The Grand Budapest Hotel, Midnight Special, Shape of Water, Hairspray, Annihilation, The Quarry), sewed a bunch of face masks, did some knitting.

Only wrote one fic, and it was a short one about characters from an old SNL sketch.

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