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MGTOWs have curiously strong feelings about Jim and Pam from The Office

By David Futrelle

So-called Men Going Their Own Way are having trouble getting over the long-running soap opera of Jim and Pam from The Office, a show that ceased production more than six years ago.

Not that they’re fans of either character. In the last few months, MGTOW Redditors have twice posted the same screencap from 4chan calling Pam a bitch; last year one MGTOW typed out a ten-point statement that he thought proved Jim was “the biggest Simp in Fiction.”

Their feelings about these two fictional characters and their imaginary sex lives seem, well, curiously strong. Take this exchange, found in yet another Jim/Pam thread in the MGTOW subreddit.

AhIndeed 10 points 1 month ago 
Jim is a huge beta male that played friend while she got railed by the more dominant Roy. Pam is a typical broad that got the best of both worlds-her abusive ex she gets to leave and look all heroic even though she prob loved the sex and then she gets her knight in shining armour.

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[–]Mylesfakeaccount[S] 4 points 1 month ago 
Yes so she will probably find another alpha type

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[–]AhIndeed 7 points 1 month ago 
She might cheat on Jim with another roy type down the line, but she secured her beta male provider

These guys seem to have spent quite a lot of time thinking about “roy types” having sex with — sorry, “railing” — Pam. I’m not quite sure which character they’re even jealous of in this scenario.

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Naglfar
Naglfar
2 years ago

Just out of curiosity, why are they still discussing this show all these years later? Then again, these are the folks who use a metaphor from a 1999 film to describe their flavor of hate.

KindaSortaHarmless
KindaSortaHarmless
2 years ago

@Naglfar

And made by two trans sisters, no less.

Wait, Matrix was ’99? (checks) God, I feel old. I didn’t see it in theaters, and I want to say I saw it on DVD, but according to Wikipedia, it was only released on DVD in 2007, after I graduated from high school, and I distinctly remember seeing the movie at home before then, so it must have been on VHS (remember those?)

Gods, that was a good movie.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

They also still talk about Sex and the City, so…

bekabot
bekabot
2 years ago

I’m not quite sure which character they’re even jealous of in this scenario.

All of them, Katie. Jim, Roy, and Pam get to be on TV, while the MGTOW’s are stuck in RL. (It’s not fair.)

Bina
2 years ago

They have their feelings.

I have cinnamon Altoids.

I know which one is better for sharing in good company.

Naglfar
Naglfar
2 years ago

@KindaSortaHarmless

so it must have been on VHS (remember those?)

I am just old enough to remember VHS. When I was a kid, DVDs existed but weren’t common, and my parents had a large library on VHS tapes. I believe they may still have it, but honestly I haven’t used a DVD or VHS tape in years because it’s easier to just stream stuff. Same with CDs and vinyl.

@WWTH

They also really like The Stepford Wives, though for all the wrong reasons.

I’ve never actually watched a full episode of The Office, but the last few years it has achieved internet meme status, so I’m not sure if I’m missing anything by not watching.

Citizen Justin
2 years ago

For the information of fellow Brits, these are the equivalent characters to Dawn (Lucy Davis) and Tim (Martin Freeman).

Cats In Shiny Hats
Cats In Shiny Hats
2 years ago

@KindaSortaHarmless

People always tell me that it was a good movie, but it’s so soured for me because it was my abusive ex’s favourite. All I can think of when I see it is a combination of them and MGTOWs. I think I resent that.

Big Titty Demon
Big Titty Demon
2 years ago

@ discussion in general

Umm… people often talk about their favorite media long past when it was first released, why is this a questionable thing to do? It’s why we still have One Hundred Years Of Solitude, Journey to the West, or in fact, any classics of literature, music, theatre… why would film and TV be different?

I’m not defending the opinion of the characters, mind, because it reveals a disgusting misogynistic mindset; but surely it’s weird and gross because of that, not because they chose to discuss a widely popular TV show some years after its release?

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I suppose what’s weird about it is that the culture at large is no longer discussing the Jim and Pam. I didn’t watch the show, but I do remember hearing a lot about it. Not anymore. So why is it a hot topic now?

Of course, I still sometimes talk about how Ross from Friends was the worst, so I’m weird too.

Empress Penguin
Empress Penguin
2 years ago

@ WWTH

RIGHT?! That dude is the wooorst. I didn’t watch Friends until a few years ago, when I was 21, and I could not wrap my head around how Ross and Rachel had been such an international obsession when he is so terrible.

Lainy
Lainy
2 years ago

You know the other day i got into an argument online with one of these types. Must have been a lot older then me because he tried to use sex in the city to prove his point. Had no idea what he was talking about. I had to Google it. Dude was in a rant about women in this 20s and I said I’m 21 years old and ive never seen sex in the city. You know why? Probably because it came out a month after I was born and ended when I was 5 and at that point in time I was really into Scooby doo at that point of my life.

He was actually really shocked to hear this. Kind of like when I told some other guy that brad Pitt isn’t attractive to me. He’s old like my dad.

Point is is that older misogynist men tend to not get that they age and yhe things around them age. What women liked when they were 20 is not the same thing 20 year old women do now

Castrating Harpy
Castrating Harpy
2 years ago

@kindasorta:
Nah, it came out on DVD in 2000. It’s one of the first DVDs I bought. (The actual first was Purple Rain.)

Naglfar
Naglfar
2 years ago

@Lainy
For most of my childhood, whenever my mother had spare time she would watch old episodes of Sex and the City on DVD (nostalgia, I guess) so I associate that show with people a generation or two older than I am. I’ve never watched it, because I don’t watch much TV* and, like you, I was a child during the original run.

*I don’t have a TV, but I do occasionally watch shows on Netflix. Right now I’m watching Season 6 of Bojack Horseman (no spoilers!) and I’m a bit sad that the show is ending.

Allandrel
Allandrel
2 years ago

@Lainy

I’m reminded of the Boomers who still talk about how “Millennials will be in for a shock when the leave college and have to enter the real world,” when many Milllennials are pushing 40 and are looking into colleges for their high-school student children.

Do some people just not understand that time is a thing?

Naglfar
Naglfar
2 years ago

@Allandrel

I’m reminded of the Boomers who still talk about how “Millennials will be in for a shock when the leave college and have to enter the real world,” when many Milllennials are pushing 40 and are looking into colleges for their high-school student children.

Like this xkcd comic:
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Do some people just not understand that time is a thing?

I think it’s partially that people don’t want to acknowledge that they’re getting older and out of touch. Easier to pretend everything is static, then you don’t have to.

KindaSortaHarmless
KindaSortaHarmless
2 years ago

@Castrating Harpy

You’re right. The 2007 release was the Ultimate Collection, with all 3 films. Thanks for correcting me.

Viscaria
Viscaria
2 years ago

I haven’t seen The Office beyond a random episode or two, but my understanding is that Pam is portrayed throughout her relationship with Jim as deeply in love with him and committed to him. Is that not right?

If so, these MGTOWs are writing fanfiction where the character is completely different than she is in the show, and then they’re getting mad about their own fan-created character. That’s… That’s a choice.

Naglfar
Naglfar
2 years ago

@Viscaria

If so, these MGTOWs are writing fanfiction where the character is completely different than she is in the show, and then they’re getting mad about their own fan-created character.

I believe that’s rather what they do with the real world, so it makes sense they’d do it with TV characters as well.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I’m a wizened old crone of 39 and I did watch SATC when it was originally airing. I rewatched a couple of years ago. It’s free to stream with an Amazon Prime membership. It did not hold up. At all. It was seen as somewhat feminist at the time because of its candor about sex, but the lack of POC in NYC, the conspicuous consumption and wealth worship and the outdated gay jokes just make it not age well.

Curious_Diversions
Curious_Diversions
2 years ago

As an old crone who has happily slammed through the wall, I thought Jim was supposed to be the quintessential millennial/ audience vehicle suffering snarkily through having to deal with the quirks of the olds surrounding him.

Also, they think that the kid who plays Jim is a “beta male”? Maybe they should start pushing for men to wear veils. If hollywood-homely isn’t good enough, no one without access to a makeup department is going to pass muster.

kupo
kupo
2 years ago

I haven’t seen The Office beyond a random episode or two, but my understanding is that Pam is portrayed throughout her relationship with Jim as deeply in love with him and committed to him. Is that not right?

They go through a rough patch where she’s really hurt by how he treats her and she turns to a male friend for comfort but that’s all. Of course, miggies would probably see her crying to another dude to be cheating.

Lumipuna
Lumipuna
2 years ago

I’m reminded of the Boomers who still talk about how “Millennials will be in for a shock when the leave college and have to enter the real world,” when many Milllennials are pushing 40 and are looking into colleges for their high-school student children.

Do some people just not understand that time is a thing?

I don’t think they’re talking about generations anyhow. It’s more like common language has picked up the Word “Boomer” for old people and “Millennial” for young adults.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
2 years ago

Even the Millennium was, like, 20 years ago.

People tend to hang on to the cultural references of their teens/early adulthood. MGTOWs are generally an older crowd: middle aged men bitter about divorce, asset division, and custody. Their ’90s references aren’t for us, they’re for each other.

That being said, why are they complaining about fictional characters as if they’re real?

@KindaSortaHarmless

VHS (remember those?)

At the risk of sounding like one of the Four Yorkshiremen, I remember before VHS, before cable, when movies came on TV once a year, with non-skippable commercials. The Wizard of Oz was an Annual Event. The Sound of Music was even rarer. You had to wait 2-3 years for theatrical releases to make it onto broadcast TV. The quality sucked – snow and rabbit ears, and changing the channel with pliers because your brother pulled the dial out during a squabble and hid it somewhere and then forgot where he stashed it.

Sometimes I still can’t believe I can watch Star Wars on demand.

Alan Robertshaw
2 years ago

@ Buttercup

Sometimes I still can’t believe I can watch Star Wars on demand.

When I was a kid I was amazed to watch the 8 minute silent Super8 version of Star Wars; in someone’s house!

(It’s actually a pretty good cut)

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