By David Futrelle
Evolutionary Psychology is a problematic discipline to begin with, relying heavily on simplistic evolutionary “just-so” stories that for some mysterious reason always seem to reinforce the most reactionary notions about gender and human nature.
But if you add a dollop of incel ideology to the Evo Psych stew, you get something truly horrifying. Over on the Incels.me forum — a reliably repugnant forum popular with some of the world’s worst “involuntary celibates” — one commenter recently tried to use evolutionary biology to explain why rape was not only justified but something close to a sacred duty for all men who want to “advance our species.”
“It is Your Biological Duty to Impregnate Females,” ItheIthe began.
As a male, your evolutionary and biological impulse is to impregnate females and spread your seed. Each and every one of you is responsible for advancing our species. That is what you are here for. If you fail to do so … [y]ou have done nothing to pass on your genes … You are among lowest form of life there is.
Weird, because there are plenty of people who have contributed mightily to human civilization without ever having kids, including Jane Austen, Susan B. Anthony, Beethoven, Leonardo Da Vinci, Isaac Newton, Debbie Harry, Haruki Murakami, and, er, Betty White, to name just a few on this giant list I found after literally ten seconds of Googling.
Also, what the fuck does it matter if you “advance our species” or not? Live the best life you can. Try to be decent to other people and nice to pets and other animals. Life is tough enough; don’t burden yourself with weird and grandiose expectations on top of everything else.
However, because the purpose of existing is to pass on our genes and advance your species, the true alpha male is the male who has the most children. He did the most to advance our species.
Donald Trump has five kids (that we know of). Neither he nor any of his terrible children are doing anything to “advance our species.” (Barron might turn out ok; we don’t know yet.) Indeed, there’s a good case that he’s dramatically increased the risk that our species might destroy itself and much of the world with it through nuclear war and/or unchecked global warming. His ignorant recklessness is one of the main reasons the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists’ Doomsday clock is now set to the truly scary two minutes to midnight.
Up until this point, ItheIthe has mostly just been wrong. But his argument is about to get very, very ugly as well.
Morals are real, because we need them to function as a unit. However, morals do not apply to females, as they are evil and cold-hearted, as well as good for nothing.
ItheIthe went back on that last bit pretty quickly after he remembered where babies come from. But first:
They are biologically inferior to us, and we, as morally, emotionally, and physically superior, are free to do what we please with them, as we would with any other species we dominate, such as cattle or oxen.
It’s a little hard to take someone’s “science” seriously when he thinks women are somehow a different and inferior species from men.
Since females are only good for reproduction, there is morally nothing wrong with raping a female – as long as you don’t pull out – to ensure you do your biological responsibility and pass on your genes.
Well, that’s horrifying, but at least he remembered the basic facts of reproduction (even if he has forgotten about the existence of trans women and infertile people).
This is not only okay to do, it is your biological responsibility. The only exceptions are: 1. A female in a “relationship” because societies function better without adultery, and 2. Virgin females because they are extra valuable for a “relationship”. All other females are in bounds.
I guess traditionalists can feel grateful he’s remembered that whole “virgin/whore” dichotomy.
Once again, females are biologically inferior to males. Males are good at all the physical labor that is required to uphold infrastructure and housing. Women are not. Men have made virtually all the advances in science and technology. Women have not. Men have many productive hobbies and interests. The only thing women do is try to seduce males.
At this point I’m pretty sure he’s never talked to a woman outside of his family, or cracked a book outside of a math textbook or video game guide.
That is proof that being used for reproduction is their only purpose. In third world countries, especially African ones entrenched in wars, rape happens all the time and no one gives a fuck.
There are people in all countries — rich or poor, peaceful or war-torn — with some pretty fucked-up ideas about rape; hell, our shithead president brags about sexual assault. But there is no society on earth in which “no one gives a fuck.”
Society here only pretends to give a fuck because we pretend to be romantically monogamous. But we’re not, the average female has like 30+ partners lifetime and therefore has romantic value.
I think there must be a word missing at the end. Surely he doesn’t think women have any “romantic value,” whatever that means.
More to the point, the average American woman doesn’t have dozens of sexual partners over her lifetime (not that there’s anything wrong with that). As I pointed out only a month ago in a slightly different context, incels and MGTOWs and other misogynistic douchebags tens to wildly overestimate how many partners women have. In fact, according to the CBC,, the median number of (opposite sex) partners that American women between 25 and 44 had over their lifetimes (as of 2011-2015) was 4.2; men had 6.1.
Virtually everything these guys think they know about female sexuality stems from fantasies rooted in misogyny and their own insecurity.
The only thing it is good for is passing on genes. There’s nothing wrong with the rape of these females.
Referring to a woman as “it” — the cherry pit on top of this incel shit sundae.
I’m not saying I’m going to rape a female, I’m just saying there’s nothing wrong with it, since females are unworthy of us.
Says someone whose biggest accomplishment in life is posting 3,993 messages on Incels.me under a fake name.
I would not only say that rape is acceptable, I’d actually encourage it as your biological and primitive responsibility to rape a female and advance our species, as long as that female fits those brief conditions.
And on this thoroughly reprehensible note, ItheIthe’s wrapped up his latest contribution to the advancement of the human species.
ItheIthe’s argument got a mixed response from his fellow incels. While some commenters hailed it as “high IQ” brilliance, others dismissed it as the “autistic rant” of a cuck with an extremely poor understanding of biology.
“The reason incels exist according to evolutionary biology is simply because they are cucked by Chad due to his outstanding genetics i.e. survival of the fittest according to Darwin,” wrote warriorgenetics, perhaps the harshest critic.
As far as your autistic rant about raping women just LDAR [Lie Down and Rot] bro let your inferior genetics end with you if you can’t out compete Chad in this cuck or be cucked world we live in.
But others found ItheIthe’s post, well, inspiring.
“If rape was legal it would be definitely better for us,” wrote someone called mentalcel.
Currently chad and high status men are using law against to keep their women … Women are far from making rational decisions … their choice of men is not even good for the society.
“Rape isn’t even a big deal,” wrote armis, “they just get upset because it wasn’t Chad or Tyrone doing the raping.”
“What’s the point of dehumanizing the enemy if you don’t want to abuse them?” asked Atavistic Autist.
I think foids can count themselves lucky if all they get from an incel is rape. That is, unless foids would prefer death to having an incel touch them.
While more than a few of the commenters blanched at the idea of rape, some of them still found ItheIthe’s assessment of women persuasive.
Someone called engineerescortceller declared flat out that he didn’t think rape was “good morally” But at the same time he agreed with ItheIthe that “females”
simply care about Chad and not much more. Men on the other hand (maybe because many are born ugly?) want to fulfill themselves in other ways.
Females are the most egocentric and hateful beings on the planet. Their goal is to get Chad, get babies and pass them. If you get in the way of their plans they’ll try to destroy you and they will wish you death.
I believe that’s what the regular psychologists would call “projection.” Hatred and self-loathing are a terrible mix — and the incel movement is an amplifier of both.
First, evolutionary psychology is not a discipline, it is a hobo stew of imagination.
Second, as I have shared before, WE ARE NOT COCKROACHES * AND ARE NOT AT THE MERCY OF OUR IMPULSES!!!
Third, I love Debbie Harry!
* well, most of us are not cockroaches…
I hate the way these fuckers misuse autism and treat it like either an insult or an excuse for themselves
the phrase “in this cuck or be cucked world” is so powerfully hilarious to me. i’m imagining a satiric comedy about a misguided incel who learns some kind of life lesson. something about how the concept of inceldom is warped and based in nothing but the bitter egos of evil men. starring adam sandler. coming this fall.
I don’t remember where I happened to read the following, but the gist of it was, “Rape is not an effective reproductive strategy”.
Also, how is this incel going to determine if a woman is in a monogamous relationship, or a virgin? I suppose those women will be kept under lock and key.
I realize this person probably wasn’t serious (I hope), but he sure went on at length about his horrible ideas.
Dear incels: Your sperm is why abortion and birth control are things. And your attitude is why women learn self-defence. Just so’s you know.
Ugh. I was a psych major in college, and I learned about evolutionary psychology in several classes, and I even did my senior research project building on the work of Buss & Schmitt.
I haven’t touched the stuff since 1999, and I don’t know if serious study of the subject has fallen out of favor or still pursued, but it definitely can lead a college-age guy who, shall we say, is not so successful with the ladies, to some pretty misogynistic conclusions.
I’m glad that what became the alt-right wasn’t as prevalent (or at least as vocal) when I was in high school and college, because I would have much more susceptible to its bullshit.
(I actually had a class from one of the scholars credited with coining the term “alt-right”…luckily I didn’t learn anything in that class)
You can help to pass on your genes by helping out family members who do have kids. Your nephew or niece also has some of your genes. Even your cousin’s children have some of your genes. Given that humans are very social animals that live in groups, it’s ridiculous to think that humans are motivated solely by reproducing as many times as possible. That’s not necessarily the best way to advance the human species or see your genes passed along to future generations.
I think it’s called the “maiden aunt hypothesis” IIRC.
Not on topic, but Alan, if you’re reading, we had a block party today with lots of food and a raccoon sort of tried to crash. It got spooked and did run away, but I imagine it’ll be back later to rummage in the trash. Anyway, I thought of you because I know you like raccoons.
Another name for the non-reproducing roll call: Queen Himiko, founding (metaphoric) mother of the nation of Japan. I’d hazard a guess that she might have made some small blip on posterity’s radar.
Got that all wrong, dickwad… the purpose of your parents passing on their genes is your existence… their is no purpose for your existence.
@ItheIthe says this:
And he also says this:
I suppose that’s because he doesn’t want to go to prison.
ItheIthe’s op-ed goes on to say this:
Because among the evo-psych scholars, this type of statement bears repeating, repeating, repeating.
But what’s this? Disagreement from scientists?
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Read it and weep, incels. Not only are you complete flops at getting laid, you’re biologically inferior. Visualize a frowny face here.
It is morbidly fascinating to see how they wretched they can become while constantly ratcheting up the radicalization of their terrorist cells.
I… cattle and oxen…
Why are you talking about the *castrated male cows*, which are the same species as cattle????
(I got stuck there because the rest of the post was too horrific to even snark about.)
At this point I believe that’s a very dangerous thing to assume.
Do these disgusting pieces of shit think that “reproduction” begins and ends at conception? Rape is incredibly traumatic and stressful, and even if you festering cockwarts don’t give a shit about the woman, the increased levels of cortisol and other stress responses are going to be really bad for any fetus that is conceived. And if the pregnancy is not (spontaneously or purposefully) aborted, then the fucking rapist sure isn’t going to be providing for his offspring, or helping to raise it. The children in these conditions will have a much higher mortality rate due to the lack of resources and social support network.
You only “succeed” at reproduction if your offspring reaches maturity and reproduces. If your offspring dies because they didn’t have money for food or healthcare or shelter, then your shitty fucking genes will still die out. We’re not rats, we don’t reproduce via the “have hundred of babies and maybe some will survive infancy” strategy. Reproduction is hugely time- and resource-intensive for humans, the best reproductive strategy is to work together, like the social creatures we are, to meet the needs of the children.
Of course, these oozing pustules on the ass of humanity truly don’t give a shit about passing on their genes and furthering the cause of humanity (why would they? There’s 7+ billion of us, it’s not like humanity is lacking in babies), they just want to hurt women.
Richard Fucking Spencer coined the term. He’s not even remotely close to being a scholar.
@BS and his four fluffy kitties
You’re certainly not the first and definitely won’t be the last to make a comment to that effect. Do you realize how chilling it is to women when we constantly, pretty much every thread about incels, hear from yet another dude (or more!) that he was super close to becoming one of these guys? Especially considering these guys want to rape and/or kill us. Like, seriously, it’s fucked up. Can you tell me why you felt it appropriate to share that? That you view women as so much less than, that it would have been super easy for you to want to rape or kill us because you couldn’t get a date? Holy fuck, dude. Just, like, so fucking casual, too. Like you’re telling us you used to prefer rocky road to pistachio ice cream, rather than telling us you once had so much pent up resentment for women you could have easily joined a murder worship cult. Fuck.
I certainly hope none of that idiot’s readers become rapists, but if they do I hope they, like him, think that the “purpose” of rape is to impregnate the rape victim. It’s so much easier to put them in jail. Where they belong.
This 100%. I know for some it’s like “oh thankness we didn’t become like them. But for us women we hear something like “wow gurl you have no idea. I was thiiis close to pushing you off a cliff teehee :D”
I don’t hope that at all. WTF? No one should have an unwanted pregnancy forced on them. And before you say the morning after pill, please know it only works for below average weight afab people. And the side effects are really awful to experience, too.
Personally, I’d hope that if they decide to become rapists they’ll step on all the legos, trip, fall, and get tied up by their would-be victim while the victim calls the police.
This incel’s argument, although intellectually rigorous, has a few tiny holes in logic that he must address:
A young widow who had sex only with her late husband is in bounds?
A young, single woman who has never known consensual sex but has been raped is in bounds?
How about a young nun who has never had consensual sex but was raped? In bounds?
Further, what about a young nun who, before she took her vows, once had consensual sex? Is she in bounds?
And if a man does rape a virgin (which this scholar has stated is wrong), would it be okay for him — not to mention other men — to then rape her again?
In short, two wrongs do make a right.
I’m going to disagree with the math portion of that and leave this right here.
I would assume that ALL nuns would be fair game under this paradigm, since they aren’t virgins for future-relationship purposes but for ‘being a virgin forever for faith’ purposes. Therefore, they count as “worthless” because they will never reproduce by choice and are in the same category as unmarried non-virgin women. Virginity is only valuable (and worthy of protection) if it’s eventually going to be used to up some dude’s status, after all.
Nah, it’s too damn easy. I do, however, enjoy collecting bon-bons and ridiculing incels.
Excellent point. I’d like to hear ItheIthe say it.
I’d also like him to address the issue of nonfertile women. What if, for example, a women is too old to reproduce — but appears young enough and is beautiful enough to give him a boner? Must he restrain himself?
What about a young, beautiful woman who is infertile? Is restraint in order? Or savagery?
This scholar left out so much.