
By David Futrelle
There is a certain tension in the lives of many MGTOWs. More specifically, in their pants. Despite their oft-stated goal of Going Their Own Way in a manly fashion, thus freeing themselves from the tyranny of women, these men would still very much like to be having sex with the women they have Gone Their Own Way from, just without the tyranny bit.
One ingenious fellow on MGTOW.com has come up with a solution to this rather daunting problem that seems to take its inspiration from man’s best friend.
In a post on the forum, mgtowSA acknowledges that the desire of men like him to stick their penises into women is a strong one — and reminds his fellow MGTOWs who feel the same way that
we all know that the current system we operate under has succeeded in exploiting and manipulating our sex drive to turn us into slaves. And women are the main agents of this system. So our dilemma has always been how to cope with this sex drive in a way that does not lead to f~~~ing women and then having to deal with the resultant problems that inevitably arise.
And no he doesn’t mean “the wet spot on the bed.” He means the apparently hypnotic power of the vagina, which gives those possessing one the power to enslave hapless MGTOWs and other sex-hungry men.
But there is a way out!
I’m currently involved in a fwb situation. However I have not had sex with her nor do I intend to.
Wait, you may wonder: how is this a friends-with-benefits situation if there are no benefits?
Well, prepare to have your mind blown.
What we do is something called outercourse. This is in essence doing everything except vaginally or anal penetration. In my case I don’t even allow oral sex for obvious reasons. So what generally happens is that we’ll grind on each other and she will cum but I don’t. After she leaves I proceed to the bathroom and rub one out to get rid of the pent up tension.
That’s right, we’re talking DRY HUMPING.
No risk of pregnancy, std or losing power which is usually how we men end up in the misery that is a relationship.
How can you lose your man powers if you don’t even touch that evil vagina with its secret hypnotizing goo?
You see brothers women need sex more than we do. If not physically then to be able to gain power over us. We have all learnt the hard way that once you give a woman sex you’ve essentially given her the ball and chain to clasp around you. Withholding sex is a weapon that they’ve used to great effect to enslave many men. It’s time we used the same weapon against them.
You want the penis? YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE PENIS.
If you don’t have sex with a woman she’ll have no leverage over you.
That’s right; she can only have power over you if she actually lays her hands or mouth on your penis, or if you stick said penis inside of her hypnotizing vagina (or butt). Engaging in a frustrating sexual activity that ends with you jerking off over a toilet is the best and most effective way to keep the upper hand, because clearly there is nothing more alpha than running to the bathroom to jerk it after your dry-humping buddy leaves the apartment wondering how and why she ever got herself involved with a huge weirdo like you.
I admit that this approach does require a certain amount of willpower but the fear of what could potentially happen to you should you do the wild mamba with her should be enough to keep you away from that course of action.
Alas, most of mgtowSA’s brothers in MGTOW were unable to appreciate his bold new vision.
“That’s like saying since I’m trying to avoid eating fruit, I only eats their skins,” wrote someone called Jackinov. “You’re still eating fruit no matter which way you cut it.”
“I think you’re fooling yourself,” a fellow calling himself OldBill agreed.
Outercourse, frottage, dry humping, whatever you want to call it has been around as long as there have been mammals and has been observed in too many species to count. You’re fooling yourself if you think you’re somehow doing it for a new reason.
Ok, but maybe those dumb animals aren’t dry humping in an alpha enough way.
It doesn’t matter that only she orgasms or that you wait to orgasm until after she leaves because you are still performing an act which requires her presence at some point in time.
Well, he’s got a point here. You can’t spell “dry humping a lady” without L-A-D-Y.
You’re running around giving yourself high fives because you never penetrated or came near her while she’s smiling because she’s still an integral part of the sex acts you do perform and thus still has power over you.
Not even several layers of clothing can protect you from the power of the hypnotizing vagina!
You may have convinced yourself that is not the case, but no woman is going to stick around for a bunch of dry hump sessions unless she’s playing the long game.
That, or she’s just really really bored.
Someone called Ranger One, meanwhile, offered a sex alternative involving several pillows and a Fleshlight, which he felt was preferable to both his “Nina Chan 8-lb fake pussy” and actual sex with his actual (alleged) girlfriend.
[B]y making a stack of 3-4 pillows and wedging the Fleshlight inbetween the top pillow and the 2nd pillow I get even better results than the Nina Chan.
So order of preference:
1) Fleshlight wedged between pillows
2) real sex with gf
3) Nina Chan fake pussy
4) fleshlight in handNow it was a toss up between 2 & 3, because while real sex is better, I don’t need to worry about the Nina Chan getting off. Its sort of a balance.
Second place! That’s pretty good. This dude’s girlfriend must consider herself the luckiest girl alive.
The other side of the scale (the platonic side) is getting to do stuff with someone else and not having it cost me extra… for example sharing the burden of a long drive for a vacation — for example, the 7 hr drive to Boston. Splitting the cost of a hotel room, etc.
So when this Man Going His Own Way Who Goes Quite A Way to Boston on Holiday (MGHOWWGQAWTBOH) actually drives seven hours to Boston he does so with his girlfriend in the car because she’s willing to spit the cost of gas?
Ranger One might not be much of a MGTOW but he’s definitely in the running for Boyfriend of the Year!
I really don’t have anything more to add, but here’s a scene from Wet Hot American Summer that is strangely relevant to the discussion. (The scene makes a little bit more sense if you’ve seen the rest of the movie.)


Great, you just made me think of this:
I’m kind of doubting the existence of this woman. I’m calling cool story bro on this one. Sad, because he probably made up this tale to impress his friends and it didn’t work.
I enjoyed that clip more than reading the disjointed natterings of the MGTOWS despetately pretending they can’t stand sex because it involves icky, cootie-laden women!
Whole lot of young stars in that movie, for sure!
(Paul Rudd and Michael Ian Black look so adorable, I might add.)
I used to call it “going out with a girl who lives in the world’s coldest house”.
Is this a sex-posi feminist infiltrating the MGTOW? Half of my friends list thinks encouraging outercourse and other non-PIV sex is important advocacy for queering sex or making it less of a toxic masculinity rape culture thing.
Dare I google “Nina Chan fake pussy”? I just ate dinner. I think I know what he’s talking about, anyway.
Dare I google “Nina Chan fake pussy”? I just finished dinner. I think I know what he’s talking about, anyway.
The following may be TMI, but a few of the most pleasurable sexual couplings I’ve ever experienced, didn’t involve intercourse or oral sex.
My post just got eaten. I hope WordPress found it tasty.
To be fair, it’s only his justification for/thoughts about this that are weird. If dry humping is what gets these two particular people off then more power to them. I’d feel bad for the guy feeling the need to justify his particular proclivities if the justification itself wasn’t so misogynistic tbh
Just googled Nina Chan Fake Pussy. It’s probably the lamest sex toy ever. But I see the appeal for members of the MGTOW community.
Dry humping the bed as the Alpha Male.
Is it weird that I kinda think that the other Miggies have a point? That if he truly wants to go his own way, he can’t be dry humping this poor woman’s leg.
No doubt that she goes home to her B.O.B. after a less-than-stellar dry hump from this dude. And I don’t doubt that she might fake an orgasm here and there just to end it sooner.
Sorry I’ve seen the movie and that scene still makes no goddamned sense to me.
One has a FWB, the other a GF. They are obviously taking GTOW to a new level.
A lot of them are actually MTDGOWs, Men That Don’t Go Their Own Way.
Oops, forgot a T. MTDGTOWs.
Who ARE these Pathetic Nut Cases ???!
@William Hooper: Living proof that Darwin’s theory of evolution may have had a few flaws in it.
BlackBloc, yeah, I don’t mean to cast aspersions on non-PIV sex, just on his insistence that it somehow doesn’t count as real sex, and his attempts to use it as a weird power move (at least in his own head, who knows what his alleged partner thinks of it).
@William Hooper
We don’t use ableist slurs or guesses on mental health. Comments policy.
I mean, if you’re into outercourse, you do you, but it doesn’t sound to me like he even enjoys it/gets pleasure from it if he needs to masturbate afterwords?
Honestly, I came in here expecting that a MGTOW would be advocating (surreptitiously?) dry-humping unsuspecting women like in a crowded train or something to vent some sexual frustration without going through the dreadful ordeal of actually having to interact with a woman and getting her go-ahead before sexual things happen. So I was pleasantly surprised to just find a weirdo who has some bizarre (and misogynistic, but baby steps here) motivations for focusing on consensual frottage.
Yeah, my expectations for these dipshits are so low that I’m actually impressed when they don’t advocate sexual assault.
I’m unreasonably angry about the word “outercourse”. “Outer” is not an antonym of “inter”! What’s wrong with just calling it “frottage”?
Paradoxical Intention:
I don’t know, many MGTOW seen to operate on the basis that the point of GYOW is not to categorically avoid women but to avoid being “exploited” when dealing with women. Going away from inconvenient social expectations, like that of being the breadwinner.
Like, this guy has (allegedly) found a mutually satisfying casual sex relationship with a woman who doesn’t want to marry him or demand his money. So he wants to think he’s cracked some deep secret in sexual relationships.
Then again, other MGTOW seem to think it’s simply impossible to gain consensual sexual pleasure from women without demeaning yourself somehow. It’s like, if she ever consents to whatever, it must be so good for her that you’re being ripped off.
@Dormousing_it
There’s a whole family of weird silicone-blob-with-carefully-modelled-human-style-orifice sex toys, as it turns out. I suppose that there are a lot of men with disposable income whose ideal woman comes from the uncanny valley?
It doesn’t take much searching to find increasingly weird stuff.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddisalvo/2012/05/14/meet-shiri-the-freakishly-realistic-robotic-buttocks/#1b89ff24b1ee
I think I’ll stop now.
You aren’t alone, Catalpa. I was expecting the exact thing.