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MGTOWs reinvent the Handmaid’s Tale, with bonus creepy incest overtones

Happily, there’s a place for women in the coming MGTOW utopia

By David Futrelle

So over in the Men Going Their Way subreddit, the fellas are talking about what to do with “leftover” — i.e. unmarried — women after men finally step up and take the vote away from women, who are always voting for the wrong things anyway.

Apparently unable to understand that most women have jobs, the MGTOWs naturally conclude that in their version of utopia the single ladies — deprived not only of husbands and their resources but of Big Daddy government as well — won’t be able to support themselves. But the MGTOWs, kind ghouls souls all, don’t want to let them starve!

One brave MGTOW has a solution:

BCPrepper 2 points 5 hours ago* All the unmarried women are going to be a serious drain on the system. Rather than using socialism to take care of them like the globalists are hoping for, and since no man wants to be a tradcuck for some CC rider --- I think a better solution is for men to "adopt" one of these leftover women, not as a wife, but as an incubator for a wife. Essentially she'll be impregnated by someone else, and any daughters will be raised to become the man's wives. In return all the women receive shelter, security, and provisioning. Not this perverted materialist provisioning they receive today, which consists of handbags, shoes, McMansions etc. We're talking modest clothes, food. And they will have to pull their weight. This will essentially be a post-collapse society.

(Note: in the preceding quote “CC Rider” refers not to the famous song but to the infamous “cock carousel.”)

Naturally, other MGTOWs are enthusiastic about Mr. BCPrepper’s ingenious proposal.

ZCnegan 4 points 4 hours ago Oh my god. You are a fucking genius. That would actually work. But for that to work, all the pro women laws would have to be abolished, which will happen in case of colapse. Then women without daddy gov to protect them would have to sell themselves very cheap, and still men would not want them. But if I could have a woman raised to by a wife, with 100% loyalty and efficient, and without brainwashing bullshit, then i would maybe consider giving part of my resources, in case i wanted a family/kids and needed a womb. Sex is all they have to offer, and men are becoming tired of it, more and more we see sex for what it is, just sex. And whores are better for it

BCPrepper goes on to praise himself for his “humanitarian” solution to the Leftover Woman Problem.

BCPrepper 1 point 3 hours ago Yup it's the only solution as I see it. Socialism won't work, especially when men don't get good women in return for serving the state. The globalists overplayed their hand, thinking men would just accept their fate as a slave class. Now our biggest concern is Islam taking over. Really not interested in that happening. Artificial wombs might help catalyze the rebirth of western civilization, but it's not a long term solution. There's a humanitarian aspect to caring for the women that made bad choices and are no longer fit for pair bonding. The solution I outlined above gives them safety and purpose.

Such thoughtful fellows these MGTOWs are!

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Falconer
Falconer
4 years ago

There was a raid going on at the suffragette memorial gym while I was there, and a little boy who wasn’t part of the demonstration shouted “I got ‘im!” and collected high-fives from his family. This promoted the half-dozen or so middle-aged women in my group to pull out their phones and go Pokemon hunting.

I didn’t get ‘im.

Falconer
Falconer
4 years ago

*The gym at the suffragette memorial, rather.

Ivory Bill Woodpecker
Ivory Bill Woodpecker
4 years ago

I have read The Iron Dream and enjoyed it, even while recognizing the satire–the Golden Age generation of pulp SF writers tended to skew rightward in their politics, and Spinrad was not gentle with them. It’s not for nothing that Heinlein is second only to Ayn Rand as a heroic literary figure among the Libertarian types.

The part I liked best was actually the alt-history scenario that framed it all, as expressed in the postscript section: The USSR, expanded by the conquest of Europe, versus the Japanese Empire and the USA. Spinrad could have gotten some hellacious alt-history stories out of that concept.

TreePerson
TreePerson
4 years ago

@Falconer Hey it looks like we are in the same town!

EducatedRedneck
EducatedRedneck
4 years ago

@dslucia

I am not saying that games cause fascism or reactionary ideas. I am making the point that most of these people are so far removed from reality, they are romanticizing worlds that could never exist.

This Handle is a Test
This Handle is a Test
4 years ago

I was curious about that as most of what he does that I’d come across has had nothing to do with Gamergate as he’ll periodically review games, he created a comedy character that’s kind of an overblown parody of gamers (which generally, regardless of the quality of the humor, he’s the target not others), spoken frankly on his struggles with his obesity and mental health issues, given vlogs on suicide prevention (including sharing his own struggle with it…his “please hold on” vlog came across as really genuine and trying to encourage those who needed it to get help), and the like. So now I know more. Sad that he’d done that in the past, root for him as he continues to work on his issues, but am a little saddened that he’d taken the position he did.

Otrame
Otrame
4 years ago

@ Falconer

Some of us are well over 60 and love nothing better than a big family D&D game, where my kids, their spouses and their kids get together and play. We have more fun than you can imagine. My eldest is a hell of a DM.

Also? You get a big internet cookie, flavor of your choice, for the Firesign Theater reference.

katz
4 years ago

Fantasy tropes compatible with fascist thinking (off the top of my head):
-All-white fantasy world
-Nonwhite savages (eg, Dothraki)
-Always-evil disposable mooks (eg, orcs)
-The glory of war (tabletop games)
-An era of greatness that is now past (eg, Numenor)
-Rightful ruler returns the country to greatness (eg, Aragorn)
-Superior race (eg, wizards)
-Damsel in distress and other tropes subjugating women
-Corrupting evil that must be destroyed
-Corrupting knowledge that must be relinquished, in particular (eg, Prospero)

Not to say that any fantasy with any of these elements is fascist, but they could be used to support tenets of fascism.

A God of Darkness
A God of Darkness
4 years ago

@dslucia

About the fact that games don’t make people violent.

YES.
EXACTLY.

GenJones
GenJones
4 years ago

Death first, but I’d have to be taken down.

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
4 years ago

@SFHC

How did you get an Arceus?

Re: Pokemon Go raids, I recently spotted the (locally) legendary senior citizen lady whose level is now 38. She was attending a Tyranitar raid.

misophistry
misophistry
4 years ago

These fools can’t even spell collapse. In my personal post-apoc-fantasy I would hunt them down and steal all their resources and womens! Hah.

Virgin Mary
Virgin Mary
4 years ago

Having kids singeled out to be your wives whilst still in the womb isn’t a tiny bit paedophile is it?!!

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
4 years ago

@IP

Oh, through last year’s wifi events. ^^;

occasional reader
occasional reader
4 years ago

Hello.

Yeah, it is clearly incestual ! It is more horrible than creepy.
They are just like the damn Ushiromiya Kinzô.
How much perverted must they be to even thinking about this kind of possibility ?

Have a nice day.

Vanir85
Vanir85
4 years ago

“Sure, death before slavery/marriage to MGTOW, but it’s not going to be my death. I’m the one who knows which plants are edible and which are poisonous.”

– Kupo

Damn. The comment section should really have a “like” function 😀

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
4 years ago

@SFHC

Why do I always miss those? 🙁

Falconer
Falconer
4 years ago

@Otrame: Thank you! I didn’t think anyone would get it.

I do hope my sprouts like D&D. Right now they think it’s just about rolling dice, which they are totally down for. But they are also 4 and they still think hanging with their old man is the bee’s knees.As it

is, what I can manage right now is me and two other dads meeting at Panera’s at the crack of dawn on Saturdays for a few hours.

@Katz, in the D&D mode, there’s seizing territory and looting the natives, which I have only recently come to realize is very conquistador-ish, but may stop at imperialism rather than extend to full-on fascism.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
4 years ago

Damn. The comment section should really have a “like” function

Nope, it shouldn’t.

Robert Walker-Smith
Robert Walker-Smith
4 years ago

I’ve read “Iron Dream”. The part that surprised me was how closely it conformed to Heroic SF/Fantasy conventions while simultaneously telling a distorted account of actual Hitler’s rise to power. I think Orson Scott Card was the only other writer to pull that off.

My favorite nasty detail in the ‘editor’s afterword’ was that SF convention cosplayers liked dressing up as Sons of the Swastika. At the time it was written, that was an unlikely spectacle.

Swedish Sexual Bread
Swedish Sexual Bread
4 years ago

@Vanir85

Damn. The comment section should really have a “like” function

I disagree. An anonymous system where any drive-by troll can artificially inflate the score of other trolls? no thank you.

Collateral Thought
Collateral Thought
4 years ago

@ EducatedRedneck:

I am not saying that games cause fascism or reactionary ideas. I am making the point that most of these people are so far removed from reality, they are romanticizing worlds that could never exist.

My concern, and I think that of others here, is that there is no established correlation between enjoying fantasy or roleplaying, and being a fascist or approving of reactionary ideas. And there is absolutely no causal link between those things. One doesn’t lead to the other, in either direction.

A lot of people like fantasy, or RPGs (fantasy or otherwise), and are utterly opposed to fascism and reactionary ideas; maybe just many, perhaps most. What evidence links those things? What polls tell us about the demographics? Even if such evidence existed, that’d still just be at best correlation, and correlation can be found between all sorts of things. It’s problematic to assert sweeping associations between unrelated things.

Check out Spurious Correlations (http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations) sometime for some great examples. E.g. there’s a very strong correlation between the per capita cheese consumption and the number of people who died by becoming tangled in their bedsheets.

But (even though correlation is not causation, and one can find crazy correlations in all kinds of places) I sincerely doubt there’s any correlation whatsoever between liking fantasy and/or RPGs and liking fascism or reactionary politics.

bluecat
bluecat
4 years ago

So… the fantasy is

– female slaves impregnated “by someone else”. Let’s guess who gets to choose the someone else, eh?

So… female slaves exchanged amongst the masters for rape.

– Then (assuming the women survive pregnancy and birth without any medical care, because of course these MGTOW’s don’t know how to care, or how to do obstetrics)…

… either it’s a girl who will be raised in total obedience to be a “wife” – which appears to mean “female slave who (possibly) doesn’t get lent out” – and the master gets to decide how soon her “wifehood” begins.

Or it’s a boy, in which case the master gets to, let’s say, abandon it on the hillside for the crows, or quite possibly kill and eat it.

Or more likely make the mother kill, cook and serve her own offspring.

I’m way past the stage where I’m captive wife or captive breeder material, but I DO know a lot of plants to forage. Some are good to eat, and some are really seriously not.

Virgin Mary
Virgin Mary
4 years ago

If it’s a boy it will have to be gifted to an elderly pederast to teach it “The Ways of the World” in the Greco Roman style as championed by Milo.

katz
4 years ago

Falconer: Oh definitely; in RPGs and adventure games, there’s the whole “everything is mine and I go around and take it from the NPCs” thing. Indeed, there’s the whole concept of NPCs as a class of Not Real People. (But, as you say, more imperialist/autocratic than specifically fascist.)

Did I mention “white person/human comes in and rules the brown people/non-humans” (Danaerys)?

Collateral Thought: Thanks for linking to a logical fallacy, always a helpful contribution to any discussion, but the deep role of mythologizing in fascism isn’t a spurious correlation, it’s a well-established historical fact (Wagner, for instance).

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