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Sorry, manbabies, the real problem with the Ghostbusters reboot isn’t misandry but racism

Oh, wait, wrong ghost movie
Oh, wait, wrong ghost movie

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Today will go down in history as a dark day for manbabykind. For today, the lady Ghostbusters trailer dropped. And there was much wailing and tweeting of tweets.

Let’s take a stroll amongst the wailing manbabies on Twitter, indulging their ridiculous rants.

And then let’s talk about what’s really wrong with the Ghostbusters trailer, which has nothing to do with gender and everything to do with race.

First, the manbabies:

There were those who pulled out the old “my childhood has been raped” nonsense.

https://twitter.com/M_Stewarr/status/705445173568868352

There were those who strenuously insisted that their anger at the female Ghostbusters had nothing whatsoever to do with misogyny, nuh-uh, but was rather a reaction to the trailer’s objective terribleness.

https://twitter.com/katmereMUFC/status/705463502278959108

There were the fat-shamers, because at no point in history has a fat person ever been funny.

https://twitter.com/NerdzurK1/status/705500568035397636

There were Trump fans:

https://twitter.com/easternmney/status/705506566758383618

https://twitter.com/jaesex23/status/705499814415486977

Hell, there were so many Trump fans that one observer made a helpful Venn diagram:

https://twitter.com/BCDreyer/status/705475020076785665

There were even a few Knights Who Say Cuck:

https://twitter.com/kcD___/status/705472132185202688

Some raised the specter of WHITE GENOCIDE:

https://twitter.com/TheSamGrady/status/705434158152224772

https://twitter.com/TheSamGrady/status/705496761662578689

Some worried where the evil feminazis would strike next:

https://twitter.com/garmonbozia/status/705427963789979648

Others offered somewhat less comprehensible critiques:

One Tweeter summed up the day on Twitter with a little haiku:

https://twitter.com/luketunderwood/status/705500826580594688

And another Tweeter left us with this existential question:

https://twitter.com/cleotrav/status/705505847129022464

Still another raised the possibility of a second reboot with a rather different cast:

And this guy helped us put it all in perspective:

https://twitter.com/GregorySantos/status/705462910714183680

So what happens once we step back from all the manbaby whining, and the jokes about the manbaby whining. and actually watch the trailer? Well, be my guest:

I don’t know about you, but I’m a bit underwhelmed.

There are a few funny moments, but the trailer sort of steps on them. It’s hard to tell if this is a terrible trailer for a good film, or if the Ghostbusters reboot will end up being, well, basically a female version of Adam Sandler’s godwful Pixels.

But the really distressing thing that the trailer reveals is that the three white gals in the movie are the scientists, while Leslie Jones’ Patty is relegated — or so it seems from the trailer — to the tired, stereotypical role of sassy black sidekick who may not be educated but who “knows the streets.”

This racial/racist failure has not exactly gone unnoticed; it’s already inspired thinkpieces and polemics on sites ranging from The Root to The Inquisitr, as well as in innumerable Tweets.

The original Ghostbusters, however hallowed it has become, was infamous for a similar racial failure. That movie’s “black ghostbuster,” played by Ernie Hudson, was so forgettable, and so obviously a token, that the designer simply left him off of this recently reworked Ghostbusters poster featuring his three white comrades.

Despite all the complaints by angry manbabies about the gender-swap of the main characters, it may well turn out that the real problem with the film isn’t that it’s too radically different from the original, but rather that it is too similar — at least in its inability to imagine a black character as more than a token or a stereotype.

The one thing that gives me some hope is Jones herself, an amazing comedian who may have been able to transform her character into something more nuanced and less stereotypical than what we see in the trailer.

I guess we’ll see.

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Viscaria
Viscaria
9 years ago

And I just realized that this was a thread necro. Why not whinge in the current Ghostbusters thread?

I wondered exactly the same thing. Considering that there were two of them in the span of 2 hours, maybe it was linked on some unpleasant forum or another?

Mike Mckay
Mike Mckay
9 years ago

Nope, but I did apparently forget to post the definition of what a “discussion” is, and that rather than a collection of singular posts by each person often tend to have many responses by each person to multiple posts by other people lol

So I saw a new post which I wanted to reply to amongst the myriad of others that I didn’t.

No need to whinge and cry about it like a baby though, its an online “discussion” so last time I checked dysfunctional feminazis hadn’t made posting more than once on a discussion illegal for men YET 🙂

But please let me know when that happens and I might consider altering my posting behaviour accordingly at that point in time, or not. Dependant on my mood at the time

Thank you for your interest though as irrelevant as it might be

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
9 years ago

Is anybody able to figure out if the troll is actually trying to say anything?

weirwoodtreehugger
9 years ago

I think he’s trying to say that mocking necro trolls is a sign that feminists are jackbooted thugs who want to censor men?

Mike Mckay
Mike Mckay
9 years ago

I don’t need to point that out as so much crying, whining, stamping of ickle feets, throwing of tiaras in outrage and blathering on about the poster who dared to have the audacity to post more than once on a discussion rather than actually discussing the topic itself is doing a far better job of showing that far better than anything I could have written would ever have done 🙂

Which is made even more laughably hypocritical by the fact that in doing so several of you have now also posted more than once. But I am sure something so blatantly obvious is probably still beyond your comprehension

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

I never throw my tiaras. The ground is way too nasty and dirty for anything in the vicinity of my precious face to touch. Dirty floor tiaras are for inferior menz.
Plus, throwing takes too much energy. I make my manservants do all my throwing for me.

EJ (The Other One)
9 years ago

God damn, you manospherians like the sound of your own voices. That was 134 words to say “no u.” 91 of those words were in the same run-on sentence.

Tell me, Mike, is “uselessly taking up space” also something you do at work and in bed, or is it reserved for your leisure hours?

Mike Mckay
Mike Mckay
9 years ago

That’s just a matter of perspective.

Not having a brain so addled by being a part of the “twitter” generation I can manage to comprehend things that are more than a dozen or so words in a row and don’t need things dumded down to the level that a dead goldfish could understand nor do I need nor want to learn to bastardise the language with “txt spk”.

So wow, not content with throwing childish hissy fits because someone actually comments more than once on a “discussion” now you are sinking to the level of grammar Nazis,

You must feel so proud and worthwhile focusing on such “pressing issues” as a person replying to two different posts on the same topic.

Even funnier that some sad sacks scrolled back to find out if I had posted before which I had been totally unaware of at the time. Not that it is in the slightest bit relevant anyway as its actually common for people to post dozens of times in “discussions”.

Which I would wager many of the whingey crybabies complaining about me doing it have also done on this very thread. Although I wont bother checking back to find out as I’m just not that pathetic or desperate to have something to say that I would think to sink to such a level in the first place lol. But I am sure one of you mindless harpies will be straight on that “urgent task” when you have a few minutes between your daytime shopping channels, soaps and reality TV

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
9 years ago

He’s under the impression that run-on sentences are a sign of intellectual superiority. Jebus.

mildlymagnificent
mildlymagnificent
9 years ago

Not having a brain so addled by being a part of the “twitter” generation I can manage to comprehend things that are more than a dozen or so words in a row …

I take it from your tone and content here that you’re claiming maturity &or great age leading to good taste and wisdom as well as conservative use of written language.

Pfffft. You lose. I’m in my 70th year with exactly the kind of rigorous instruction in grammar and spelling that you’d expect from 1950s primary school. And I’m not the only one here with such a background and I’m also not the only one here who’s never touched twitter or facebook.

Lose the attitude. Don’t make silly, shallow presumptions about people you’ve never met. You may not do any better with getting people to respond to you the way you might prefer, but at least you won’t look like a fool.

Mike Mckay
Mike Mckay
9 years ago

Lol, funny you should say that as my post was in response to those exact types of “assumptions” in response to my way of wording things.

Something you “conveniently” seemed to miss, and where although you felt compelled to criticise me for making a comment about the way people choose to word their comments you didn’t feel inclined to extend to the posts I was responding to.

Hadnt the word “constistency” been invented when you learnt all that grammar?

In fact your post was similarly “wordy” but I will bet absolutely nobody will be coming along to make similar comments as the comments themselves weren’t substantive in nature but were merely petty, childish digs in lieu of anything valid or on topic to contribute to the discussion.

As for them being “shallow” presumptions I disagree. Somebody choosing to attack the poster on a discussion rather than actually responding to their points is pathetic, its not an assumption, its an observation of quite self evident behaviour akin to a child responding with “yeah but youre a poo poo head” when they have nothing worthwhile to say so no “presumption” is necessary as the behaviour is hardly subtle nor needing any investigative skills to be seen.

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
9 years ago

choosing to attack the poster on a discussion rather than actually responding to their points

He thinks he’s made “points”.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
9 years ago

Mikey, the problem with your run-on sentences isn’t just their readability (which is low – punctuation exists for a reason). It’s also that they give the impression of a red-faced, googly-eyed rage zombie screaming a hundred mangry words without taking a breath.

Then again, it’s probably a very accurate impression.

MRAs are always so emotional.

ej
ej
9 years ago

Somebody choosing to attack the poster on a discussion rather than actually responding to their points…

What points were you trying to make? You came in here to post a comment on an old thread, whining that women are childish and manipulative. That’s not really adding anything substantive to the discussion that you seem to value so highly. You started this “discussion” by insulting women. Why are you surprised that no one is taking you seriously?

Paradoxical Intention - Mobile
Paradoxical Intention - Mobile
9 years ago

@ej: Because Mikey-Wikey has a penis, and therefore everything he says obviously adds to the discussion because with great penis comes great brains.

Or so I’ve been told. By men who just so happen to be attached to penises. [/sarcasm]

Seriously though, I like that his (unsubstantiated) “point” was “Feminists are whiny, jackbooted little Nazis!” And now he’s acting all superior because there’s really naught but nonsense in that little ass nugget, so we’re obviously not going to address it with any sincerity.

I mean, if I walked up to Mike and called him a raging misogynistic rancid pile of cheese, he’d be slightly baffled at first, but I doubt he’d address that seriously.

Or if he did, I’d have to bring snacks so I don’t starve during his long-winded “retort”.

EJ (The Other One)
9 years ago

Hadnt the word “constistency” been invented when you learnt all that grammar?

Skitt’s Law states that any post correcting an error in another post will contain at least one error itself.

I’m making cheap shots about Mike’s language skills because he hasn’t made any serious points. As and when he makes some serious points, I’m very happy to reply to them.

In fact, let’s start some discussions on weighty topics. Since Mike is a man who loves intelligence and takes himself seriously, he will doubtless have valuable points to make on the matter.

@ej:
I read your paper on API20E and ID32E profiles, and really liked it. I’m not familiar with microbiology as a field but I get the impression that the entire paper can be read as pointing out that the Emperor has no clothes.

I was surprised at the extent to which Cronobacter had been misidentified. Is this a common thing? What’s the story behind that, and is there literature on it?

@All:
Today, one of Britain’s police departments announced that it would treat misogyny as hate speech, “except in cases of domestic abuse which are already criminal and so are treated separately.”

Thoughts? I’m not comfortable with that exclusion for domestic abuse, but I recognise that overall this is a victory and don’t want to commit a Nirvana fallacy.

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

Why do trolls always think that their misogynistic insults count as points that need to be debated seriously? Why are they surprised that they’re mocked on a site about mocking misogyny? Why do they always assume that everyone commenting here is a woman? And why do they never, ever know that brevity is the soul of wit?

dslucia
dslucia
9 years ago

@WWTH:

Because John Galt.

I think the “haha you people have no lives, you scrolled up all of two posts to see I’d posted here already!” bit was the funniest so far, myself.

Viscaria
Viscaria
9 years ago

Mike, you’ve now compared two groups of people to Nazis: feminists, and people who care too deeply about “correct” grammar. (That second one is a bit ironic, considering how you insult those who “bastardise the language with ‘txt spk'” in your very next sentence, but that’s beside the point so I’ll move on.) To compare people you vaguely dislike to Nazis is to seriously minimize the horror of what the original Nazis did, and it ignores the existence of Nazis today. That is anti-semitic.

A few more thoughts:

1) “Txt spk” hasn’t really been a thing in like 10 years, but good try.

2) You did not join a discussion either of the times that you necro’ed this thread. If you enter a currently empty room, but one where people had been talking several months ago, and you loudly shout your opinions on that months-old conversation to the four walls, that’s not a discussion. That’s just you talking to yourself. And if you happen attract the attention of your neighbours with your caterwauling, thus sparking a new conversation, it makes perfect sense that the subject of that conversation would be “Why is this guy talking to himself instead of joining one of the many discussions in progress? And why has he done this more than once?”

3) Evil women “withholding sex,” oh no, how dare we choose what happens to our own bodies. Behold this great and terrible power I hold over exactly one man, who can go ahead and wank off in the bathroom if he wants to.

ej
ej
9 years ago

@EJ (TOO)

I get the impression that the entire paper can be read as pointing out that the Emperor has no clothes.

I’m glad you liked the paper. I hadn’t really thought about it in this way, but that description does fit really well. If methods are recommended by regulatory agencies to meet the criteria applied to a product, they need to be accurate. 80% correct for your target organism just isn’t good enough, especially when we are talking about such a vulnerable population.

There have been misidentifications of other species as Cronobacter, which means we may not be recognizing hazards when they appear. I can send you a couple papers, if you don’t mind sharing your email address. I don’t want to clog up the thread with a microbiology discussion (and I don’t want to link to my own work on a thread with a recent necro-troll).

EJ (The Other One)
9 years ago

And I got distracted by data crunching and missed the window. Ah well.

David, could you delete that, please?

ej
ej
9 years ago

@EJ (TOO)

Got it! You can delete the comment.

Sammy
Sammy
9 years ago

except it is about sexism and racism. THIS MOVIE clearly portrays that! it makes all the men look like idiots an asshole, next to barely competent women. its not funny, clever or witty in anyway. its a really bad cash grab turd burger, that claims the so called ”haters” are sexists, whilst trying to sell a movie that is sexist in itself. no manbabies, just people with an IQ over 5 making an accurate analysis of a really, really terrible film.

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

Dude. This is not even the most recent Ghostbusters thread! It’s hilarious to me that you guys claim you aren’t being manbabies while simultaneously necroing old threads to whine about a movie. Why did you even go see it if you hate it so much? What do you hope to accomplish by complaining about it here? I just don’t get why this meltdown seems destined to never end.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
9 years ago

But don’t forget, worrying about rape is a “First World problem.”

*eyes go rolling under the fridge*