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Red Pill philosopher: A relationship with a loving woman is a lot like taking a crap

Shall I compare thee to a morning poop?
Shall I compare thee to a morning poop?

So over on the Ask The Red Pill subreddit, one fellow had an unusual question: what to do about a girlfriend who is “TOO GOOD. TOO PERFECT” for him.

It’s starting to get to a point where i’m disgusted with how much she loves me, and how dedicated she is to me. She’s no longer a challange, and i’ve been considering leaving her.

One Red Piller with something of a philosophical bent offered him a rather unique perspective on his dilemma:

throwwhatthere 3 points 11 months ago  I'm not going to claim to know you too well, but I do still believe that once you deemphasize the role of women in your life even more you'll be less disgusted by your LTR's astounding commitment and love for you.  Or put another way: Taking a shit is a disgusting act, but I don't really give it much thought because it's not the focus of my life, and heck, it's kinda necessary to live a happy life. A loving woman could be seen similarly - something that it's great to have and contributes to your life, but not something you particularly invest much emotional energy in.  In fact, I would argue that this approach is NOT only what works best for men, but for women too, and is really just a restatement of most RP precepts.  Unless you think you'd be more satisfied with a girl who wasn't as good to you, I'd strongly suggest staying put.  If you really want, you could start trying to piss your woman off just to increase the challenge factor - though I wouldn't recommend it. I stand by my original advice: do your best to find something else to interest you.  Good hunting friend.

Well, that’s one way of looking at it, I guess.

H/T — r/TheBluePill

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Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
7 years ago

This is why RP philosophy is so self-defeating. This guy has everything he wants. He’s found his dream girl, who loves and supports him and sticks by his side even when he’s treating her badly, and he thinks this is a problem. He’s bored with her and doesn’t respect her. She’s too loyal, too good, too willing to accept whatever crap he dishes out.

For all that RPers constantly harp about the “captain/first mate” dynamic being the relationship ideal, this guy has actually achieved it, and it’s clear he’s bored with it. It must get really old constantly having to tell someone what to do and think all the time, always having to be the leader and make the plans. He wanted a doormat, to the point of molding her into one (how creepy and abusive is that?) but now he’s finding out they aren’t very rewarding to date.

At least he has enough shreds of humanity left to feel vaguely guilty about it, but either way, that relationship is doomed. She needs to kick him to the curb ASAP and find herself a non-RP guy. Someone who gives her more consideration than his morning dump.

yutolia
yutolia
7 years ago

This is…. ew… I was in a relationship like this…
Those comments bring up lots of trauma for me…

Sissy
Sissy
7 years ago

Wait, WHAT?!

So… they complain about not finding a good woman because they’re “dating all the bad boys” or “they’re too irrational” or some crap like that, and then when someone finds a woman who will put up with their crap, THEY WANT TO BREAK UP?!

*holds head* Brain broke. Head hurts. Ow, ow, ow.

But yeah, I’m with the others here. She deserves *much* better than that guy.

philosopheria
7 years ago

I’m pretty surprised, the comments were split on guys telling him to leave her and guys telling him to stay. In the comments he says she’s his first sex partner; he just seems immature and fearful. You all will be pissed at me but I think you’re overthinking this one.

Lady Mondegreen
Lady Mondegreen
7 years ago

She needs to leave his ass.

Wake up, sister.

megpie71
7 years ago

“But doesn’t life seem dull and flat
When there’s nothing whatever to grumble at?”

(W S Gilbert wrote the proto-MRA back in “Princess Ida”. Come to think of it, he wrote a LOT of proto-MRA characters).

th1stle
th1stle
7 years ago

Wow, the epitome of emotional immaturity, right there, folks…

Shaenon
7 years ago

I read the post. Short version: they’re both about 20 and have never dated anyone else (though he cheats on her sometimes). Initially they had a normal teenage relationship, but then he found the Red Pill forums and has been gradually shittier and shittier to her. So far she’s put up with his bullshit because she’s a nice person and has no idea how much better she could do.

He likes the poop dude’s advice and has resolved to treat her more like a toilet.

The saddest part is this paragraph:

It’s starting to get to a point where i’m disgusted with how much she loves me, and how dedicated she is to me. She’s no longer a challange, and i’ve been considering leaving her. She’s my best friend, and the thought of leaving her is terrifying, but I am being realistic that leaving her would probably be best.

SHE’S HIS BEST FRIEND

THIS IS HOW HE TREATS HIS BEST FRIEND

LIKE A TOILET

And yes, kid, leaving her would definitely be best.

Leisha Young
Leisha Young
7 years ago

These guys are fucking unbelievable. They get what they want and then they don’t want it anymore. The truth is that they have no idea what they want, they just know they don’t like women.

Shaenon
7 years ago

I’m pretty surprised, the comments were split on guys telling him to leave her and guys telling him to stay. In the comments he says she’s his first sex partner; he just seems immature and fearful. You all will be pissed at me but I think you’re overthinking this one.

Honestly, most of the guys on the Red Pill forums are just fronting for the bros. But I feel bad for this kid’s girlfriend; she sounds like such a nice person, and all he can do is think of more ways to be a shit to her.

Be free, nice young lady! You have shit to do and do not have time for this babyman nonsense!

Olive O'Sudden
Olive O'Sudden
7 years ago

This is how it reads to me: “My girlfriend is no longer a challenge; I don’t have to convince and coerce her anymore to spend time with me and have sex with me, and I really couldn’t care less about how she feels. I’m a predator who wants prey; I want an animal I can hunt and kill, not seduce and keep as a willing pet. A loving girlfriend just isn’t as satisfying as stalking a hot babe who doesn’t want to have anything to do with me.”

Neurite
Neurite
7 years ago

Oh wow. That’s… enlightening, in a terrible way. Because he’s doing the exact thing Redpillers are always accusing all women of doing (i.e., if their partner is nice and loving to them, and not constantly keeping them in a state of dread and “challenge,” they will find them boring and “beta” and want to leave).

This was always one of their more baffling beliefs to me, because who doesn’t enjoy their partner being good to them? The fact that my husband is sweet and loving and nice to me, and just an all-around good guy (an actual nice guy!) is one of the things I love most about him! Where did this belief that “women despise partners who are good to them” come from?

…I can’t believe that I never realized that, as with everything, It’s Always Projection. Of course.

And, as many commenters pointed out, in many cases it’s likely projection of something born out of deep self-loathing.

Thank you commenters for making sense of another lil’ bit of the world for me. A sad, depressing corner of the world, alas, but oh well.

smithshadow
7 years ago

Another of the comments on the post is disturbing. The writer, who is now deleted for some reason, wrote:

“And to put it ruthlessly, women are largely interchangeable.”

He (assuming it is a he) later states, after various other gems:

“The way it should work is the man is older and has matured, sowed his wild oats, and made something out of himself to understand women, and then marry a young one.”

There it is. Women are now interchangeable as well as animals, varying forms of transport and other inanimate objects. Also young women will, of course, be eager, nay delighted, to marry an older mature man who understands women. /s

It was also interesting to look through some of the comments by the original poster including one where he spoke frankly about visually recording an encounter with a female he feared would later bring false rape charges. It appears this encounter may have happened while he was still in the relationship he was questioning.

With luck both the original poster and the writer of the comments have decided to go their own way. Far, far, far away from women.

zoon echon logon
zoon echon logon
7 years ago

Guys! Take the redpill! You’ll be incapable of being happy in any logically possible relationship! It’s awesome!

TheLurker
TheLurker
7 years ago

This reminds me of another thread on the RedPill where they said that if a woman allows you to call her derogatory terms like “b*tch”, “c*nt” and “wh*r*” that she viewed you as an Alpha who owned her rather than a Beta who respected her. And this is why the RedPill is so vile–these men encourage treating women like shit and mock those treating them like people. Because they don’t see women as people. They see women as possessions, sports and investments and so treat them as such.

Aunt Edna
Aunt Edna
7 years ago

Here is another example, no. 123,456,789, of how redpillians “love idealistically” (= abuse women and, in this particular case, girls, for their own sexual and power thrills) from a relatively prominent manurespherian known for his openly advertised — and admired by his fellow spherians, the manly men as they are — penchant for incest and rape (warning for rape and pedophilia references, and for creepiness of epic proportions): http://www.donotlink.com/f12k

This sicko is an older and somewhat more screwy version of the RP reddit dudebro incapable of appreciating his loving GF’s devotion.

Redpillians / MRA are arguably the worst people on the internets and beyond.

P.S. Scratch arguably.

smithshadow
7 years ago

@Aunt Edna

Sorry, the link does not work. 🙁

Aunt Edna
Aunt Edna
7 years ago

Oops, sorry — here it is (and tx!):
http://www.donotlink.com/f12m

Hope it works.

smithshadow
7 years ago

@ Aunt Edna

Thanks for posting it? It works and now I feel sick. As I read it I kept hoping it was one of those Playboy/Penthouse imaginary letters.

BritterSweet
BritterSweet
7 years ago

This is why they will never be truly happy when it comes to relationships. They seem to enjoy complaining and hating so much that they would rather keep themselves and others miserable on purpose.

Aunt Edna
Aunt Edna
7 years ago

I know, smithshadow. It is, sadly, real.

This is a dude, BTW, who brags in another post about the thrill of turning (his?) daughters into sex slaves. There is so much perversion there, it defies belief. Yet it exemplifies redpillianism perfectly.

If it makes Xplat feel better (ha!), I think I met him once at a mall during one of his “hunting trips” and I can attest that he was as repulsive as he describes himself. So yeah, he’s honest at least.

He leered lecherously while regaling me with his third rate PUA lines, and stuffed his fake “modelling agency owner” business card in my hand when I politely extricated myself from him. I couldn’t get away fast enough, hoping to gods that he did not follow me into the parking lot. But that business card gave my husband a chuckle.

And if it was not him, it was one like him — they are, sadly, a dime a dozen and as pervy as one can imagine (not that one should).

strivingally
7 years ago

I echo the posters who’ve said the OP sounds like a guy who inherently doesn’t like himself, and is projecting that onto women. It’s actually really tragic that the redpill types can’t allow themselves to enjoy a relationship that both (all?) participants are getting something out of – they have to find a way to make it about Winning and Losing. If the woman is happy to put up with his crap, then she’s not Losing, therefore he’s not Winning, therefore the relationship is worthless.

It’s such a terribly sad and reductive way of viewing the world, and interactions with other people. I honestly hope this guy learns to like himself, and his partner moves on while he’s fixing his own damage.

Jenny (@dontgiveah00t)

blockquote>“WHAT DO I DO MY GIRLFRIEND ACTUALLY LOVES ME I DON’T KNOW HOW TO FUNCTION IN A RELATIONSHIP WHERE SOMEONE PUTS UP WITH MY RANK ASS BULLSHIT”

My thoughts exactly, Paradoxical Intention.

Why do red pillers even think a loving relationship entails having no other interests besides the relationship anyway? Having a hobby and a relationship are not mutually exclusive.

I was literally just saying yesterday that not only can you have a life outside the relationship, but that it’s actually really important to.

Also, does anyone else think that this guy is going to end up cheating on her to get his ‘challenge’?

AAAtheist
7 years ago

Red Pill Dude #1:

It’s starting to get to a point where I’m disgusted with how much she loves me, and how dedicated she is to me.  She’s no longer a challenge, and I’ve been considering leaving her.

Red Pill Dude #2 (“throwwhatthere”):

I’m not going to claim to know you too well, but I do still believe that once you deemphasize the role of women in your life even more you’ll be less disgusted by your LTR’s astounding commitment and love for you.

Or put another way: Taking a shit is a disgusting act, but I don’t really give it much thought because it’s not the focus of my life, and heck, it’s kinda necessary to live a happy life.  A loving woman could be seen similarly – something that it’s great to have and contributes to your life, but not something you particularly invest much emotional energy in.

All of the “How-can-you-not-see-how-self-involved-and-hateful-you-are?” WOW I can muster.

It’s like these dudes are on the verge of tripping and falling face first into the shit pile of their own misogyny and self-loathing, but their narcissism and self-involvement jolts them upright and keeps them clueless (and less stinky).

IMAGINED CONVERSATION:

Woman who hasn’t had enough yet: “I love you, Red Pill Dude #1.”

Red Pill Dude #1: “Why would you do that?!?!  I’M HORRIBLE!  Run away!  Save yourself!  I’m a lost cause!  You could do so much better, without even trying that hard!”

In a better world, here’s what Red Pill Dude #1 would say about himself:

It’s starting to get to a point where her love and dedication is challenging me to see how disgusting I am and I’ve been considering why she hasn’t left me yet.

Truth, imaginary, almost reformed Red Pill Dude #1.  Fake Quoted For Truth.

baroncognito
7 years ago

RPers constantly harp about the “captain/first mate” dynamic

Despite this thread being about Red Pillers, I keep reading this RP as role play and RPers as Role Players. And my reaction was “Well, if you don’t like the captain/first mate dynamic, choose different roles.”

That said, I’m sure Captain/First Mate sex play has potential if you’re willing to study the lingo, which I am not.

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