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Paul Elam: "If a woman five feet tall and 110 pounds soaking wet hits me, I am going to hit her back."

Should these books be required reading for MRAs?
Should these books be required reading for MRAs?

Attention tiny ladies! Paul Elam wants you to know that if you attack him, he will totally punch you right back. And not in a satirical way, either. With his actual, non-satirical fists.

A Voice for Men’s maximum leader has long insisted that his notorious “Bash a Violent Bitch Month” post was nothing more than misunderstood “satire.” That is, when he argued that men who are abused by women would be totally justified if they “beat the living shit out of them. I don’t mean subdue them, or deliver an open handed pop on the face to get them to settle down. I mean literally to grab them by the hair and smack their face against the wall,” this was somehow a “Juvenalian” satire of some sort. There’s a famous quote from The Princess Bride that might be appropriate here.

Well, now Mr. Elam has announced to the world that every month is a potential “Bash a Violent Bitch Month” for him. Even if the “Violent Bitch” in question is less than half his size. In a post that he insists is super serious, he writes:

I want to offer a few words on this subject, and this time not in satire. I want to convey as honestly as possible, how I feel on the subject of violence between the sexes, from one man’s point of view.

I am 6’8” tall and 285 pounds. If a woman five feet tall and 110 pounds soaking wet hits me, I am going to hit her back.

Now, Elam does stop short of saying he would “beat the living shit” out of this hypothetical tiny woman, but, you know, in the heat of battle with someone less than half his size, he suggests that he might not be able to control his non-satirical fists:

I would do my best to return the violence proportionally, to just use enough force to stop the attack, but I can make no guarantees. Depending on the suddenness of the attack, the level of fear or threat I might feel, the impulse to self-defend in measured amounts is difficult, if not impossible to predict with any accuracy.

So, if there are any tiny ladies out there who might be considering jumping in a pool and then punching Paul Elam, I would suggest you not do that. Of course, I would suggest you not do that even if he weren’t going to hit back, because hitting people is generally a very bad thing.

Don’t worry, dudes – tiny or otherwise – Elam would totally punch you too!

It is the same reaction I would have to a man. No more and no less. The only way to prevent this and the consequences that may result is for people to keep their hands off me.

Presumably this would also apply to bears, giant squids, killer robots and anyone or anything else that tried to put its hands or paws or tentacles on him.

Now, if someone less than half my size were to attack me, and the situation weren’t life-threatening, I might, you know, back off and call the police instead. But apparently, this isn’t an option for men, because we’re all slaves, or something:

Most people who frequent this site know that men who call for help from police when being assaulted by female intimate partners are likely to be arrested for their troubles. … [T]here are prosecutors that will happily give the victim a criminal record and make them pay dearly for having been attacked.

This idea is completely insane on its face. Not only that, it is the closest thing we have today to the mentality of slave owners who could flog their slaves because they were property.

Never mind that women, who make up the vast majority of the victims of severe domestic violence, make up 20% of those arrested for DV. Never mind that even where there are mandatory arrest laws in effect, police still need probable or reasonable cause to show that domestic violence occurred – like physical evidence of injuries – before arresting a suspect. Never mind that even in states with “dual arrrest” policies, only about half of all domestic violence calls result in any arrests.

And never mind that if you use disproportionate force against someone less than half your size – as Elam suggests he very well might do – you deserve to go to jail, and for more than a night. “Beating the living shit” out of someone much smaller than you isn’t actually self-defense at all. It’s beating the living shit out of someone much smaller than you.

Now, Elam isn’t the only Men’s Rights Activist who seems to spend a lot of time imagining scenarios in which it would be ok for them to hit women. It’s a subject that comes up on the Men’s Rights subreddit all the time; the misogynistic douchebags who populate Reddit’s Videos subreddit are if anything even worse. And don’t ever do a Google image search for “equal rights equal lefts” unless you want to be really depressed.

The Men’s Rights movement: bravely fighting for the right of men to punch women half their size.

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Shiraz
Shiraz
7 years ago

Beegee, knock it off.

“Whites are priviliged, it’s pretty sad when the majority experience poverty.”

It’s pretty sad when ANYONE experiences poverty. The sentence you posted above suggests it’s normal when minorities experience poverty. What the fuck?

Anarchonist
7 years ago

@Shiraz:

Yeah, the line “Whites are priviliged, it’s pretty sad when the majority experience poverty.” is all kinds of skeevy. To paraphrase some commenter(s? I can’t really remember) on this very site regarding the premise of many fictional dystopian settings: It’s pretty much the way things are now, but in this world, privileged groups are affected as well! The horror!

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
7 years ago

If that was an attempt to say “Our economy has tanked so badly that even the privileged groups have been hit” it was a total communication failure. But that’s giving it the best, most benefit-of-the-doubt, interpretation.

weirwoodtreehugger
7 years ago

I’m guessing Beegee’s point was that when even the most privileged group in the country is struggling, things must really be screwed up. However, that point really needed to be clarified since she’s already on everyone’s last nerve. I’m also not sure what the point of bringing up race was in the first place. It was weird to even mention it.

weirwoodtreehugger
7 years ago

Ninja’d by Kittehs because I typed out the comment and forgot to hit post for about 20 minutes!

Phoenician in a time of Romans
Phoenician in a time of Romans
7 years ago

Surely, you can’t be serious.

I am serious.

NOT Phoenician EQUALS

Phoenician in a time of Romans
Phoenician in a time of Romans
7 years ago

Bugger – the img tag didn’t work.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
7 years ago

Wow, I wasn’t expecting the bonus racist bollocks. Please, beegee, for the love of god/Ceiling Cat/whatever, stop digging.

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
7 years ago

WWTH, lol, don’t think that counts as a ninja then! 😀

contrapangloss
7 years ago

Yeah, no. I’m still done.

Have a fox:
http://youtu.be/lO_KOB-gUps

katz
7 years ago

If you’re interested in self-defence, the first and most important skill you should learn is avoiding conflict. After all, that’s what self-defence is FOR, minimizing the risk of getting hurt. The safest way to not get hurt in a fight is to not get in a fight!
Unless you’re the kind of person who goes around looking for trouble to get into, in which case it’s other people who need to get self-defence classes to get away from you.

Just realized Beegee needs a stern talk from Mufasa.

thermonictriode
7 years ago

It’s really telling that guys like this have the resources to sit around and concoct elaborate scenarios wherein they are assaulted by tiny but very evil ladies and are left with no choice — NO CHOICE! — but to indulge in a violent response. On the flipside, most of the women I’ve ever heard/read discussing the circumstances in which they might use physical force are talking in terms of:

a) How to get away from a larger and more muscular attacker alive, rather than drooling over the lavish pasting they plan to administer, and

b) Stuff that has actually happened to them personally, or to a close friend, or that they have witnessed. Real life, in other words, not cloud-cuckoo-land.

twincats
twincats
7 years ago

Because someone had to and I can’t help myself:

Surely, you can’t be serious.

I’m completely serious and stop calling me Shirley!

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

Oh my god, is this train still GOING? Well, far be it from me to stop it!

RE: katz

I’m reminded of LBT’s description of dystopic fiction: “What if everyone was poor? Like, not just the poor people?”

EVEN THE MOVIE STARS WOULD BE POOR GUYS. Think how awful that would be!

RE: emilygoddess

Oh, and better funding for mental health and recovery programs (and NOT 12-step ones).

I am HUGELY relieved to hear it’s not just me creeped out by those. (I was advised to go to an Overeaters Anon program once. I did not go back.)

Also, why am I getting larger?

jon
jon
6 years ago

Elam’s article was a response to this article: http://jezebel.com/294383/have… So were is Futrelle’s article about that?

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
6 years ago

Oh hey, check out the necromancer. Aren’t you adorable?

jonatma
jonatma
5 years ago

“Should these books be required reading for MRAs?” Na, they would be much more useful in a feminist “safe space”.

boof
boof
5 years ago

Geez the man needs a lesson in humanity female or male!!! kindness goes a long way

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