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Like a lot of people in the US of A, I am taking a long weekend. Posting may be a little light for a bit. So here’s an open thread for everyone else taking a long weekend. Or not. Use this thread for anything that’s not personal. Like misogyny, politics, kitties, you know the drill. (Though kitties are welcome in all threads, of course.)

I am hoping my long weekend turns out a bit better than that of the people in the Australian movie of that name from 1978, which I keep meaning to see. Apparently their little beach vacation doesn’t go so well, and they are attacked by … nature? At one point, I believe, they face off against an enraged dugong. (No, really.) The movie was recently remade, but apparently the remake wasn’t as good.

Stay tuned for more reviews of movies I haven’t seen and that I’m just giving vague impressions of based on things I’ve heard somewhere.

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pecunium
8 years ago

MordsithJ I don’t think you are out of your league.

I may not be in Fibinachi’s league (for style, and bravura takedowns con brio), but you do fine.

Clear thoughts, solid arguments, and reasoned response. That’s all any of us can really demand. That and an honest engagement.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

I think we need a new version of the Brandon challenge. Maybe he could only be allowed to post comments that don’t reference how hard it is for men to get sex, PUA, or any associated topic.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Cassandra: my inner teenager approves of those leggings.

Obsidian Files
8 years ago

@SitteKitty:
“True and says nothing. Because the big difference is in what we espouse to others, the way we treat racial issues, the understanding we have of race and privilege, and intersectionality. You pointing this out doesn’t really change/prove anything… and if your intention was just to say it out loud, I do believe Argenti beat you to it.”

O: It’s not. And like I said, we’ll ssee how you all treat isssue of race, very soon.

@Argenti:
“Ran that set of data versus the question on acceptance last night, apparently none of the minorities around here feel less accepted than white people (by their peers, at manboobz, or in general, which seems a touch odd but with 7 answers to the acceptance question[s] the numbers in each category got into the “n is questionable” territory)

In any case, NONE of the categories I’ve run so far feel any less accepted here than any other group (and the peer and in general ones *whistles*)”

O: I know I wasn’t part of the MRA Reddit survey, but I can say that I never felt “unaccepted” at The Spearhead, and in fact Bill Price has always treated me very well and professionally.

But, the full results of the Manboobz survey will have to be seen, and for what it’s worth I very much like the fact that its minority readers feel welcome here. That is certainly good to hear.

O.

SittieKitty
8 years ago

And also, a hugely useful way to combat rape, is to do a lot of education on what consent is. It’s been proven to decrease the instance of rape. And it doesn’t involve fucking over a victim in the criminal court system.

Kittehserf
8 years ago

Cassandra, those leggings are amazing, especially the ripped ones. Never seen those before.

The skull ones remind me of the mittens Jackie McKinley wore in Time Team – striped with a skull on the back of the hand. Very cool for an osteoarchaeologist!

Kristineedscats
8 years ago

Speaking of statistics and prosecuting deception, can I report that ~20% of the posts are longwinded threadjacking by a horrible bore? Could one of you Daves please do something about that? Please?

pecunium
8 years ago

So Jealous of the backstage at the zoo.

And yes, most people here know more than Buss. Buss thinks the just-so ev-psych is legitimate. Buss is wrong.

Does Buss have a degree? Yep. So did Hernstein and Murray. Being educated doesn’t mean you are able to avoid believing wrong (and stupid) things.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

With a solid black top the skulls wouldn’t be too garish, right? And a not-too-sexy top with the ripped ones so the overall effect isn’t overkill.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

“Oh, sorry, I meant to ask if there was any correlation between education and feeling accepted.”

No, but correlations only work for linear data, if acceptance goes down on both ends that won’t mean much. You want me to run the more specific test?

(So far all things relating to acceptance here have been in the positive direction — feeling MORE accepted)

And my brain just broke on the acceptance v mental disability question. Charted the expected v observed values and the disagree side lined up nearly exactly, but the difference is significant? Oh, we’re accepted but checked different boxes on the accepted side of things (less agree, more strongly and sort of)

Also, more footnotes!

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

RE: Kristineedscats

Be glad you weren’t here for the days of B.

I remember those days. Those long, dark, TEDIOUS days… seriously, I don’t think Obsidian Files could ever hold a candle to that guy.

Kittehserf
8 years ago

Cassandra – Yup, they’d look great in those combinations. The leggings are the feature pieces.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

I think the skulls would look great with a solid black (even red) top.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

And btw, I never finished college, technically speaking my highest education COMPLETED is HS // secondary.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

FWIW, MordsithJ, I don’t think you should feel like you’re out of your depth here, and if the conversation is making you feel that way because it’s getting jargon-heavy then you should feel free to ask people to knock it off. I don’t want this to be a space where people feel like they need a university education to participate, and I don’t think most other people do either.

MordsithJ
8 years ago

Clear thoughts, solid arguments, and reasoned response.

Well, to be honest those aren’t really my strong suits. Blame it on my ADD, baby.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Ack, is my stat talk getting too complex? I wrote up a math free words only crash course, I can link now if you want? (Seriously, drunk pecunium said it made sense, but I’m totally willing to edit // add to it, y’all want it?)

Falconer
Falconer
8 years ago

I know this was a while ago, but LBT, I’ve had two Swiss Army Knives in my life, and the screwdriver on each busted PDQ. I don’t think they’re actually built very solidly.

I’d suggest carrying a backup knife, too, in case the first one gets lost, stolen, breaks, or dulls.

As far as fire lighters go, little butane cigarette lighters are available practically everywhere, and they’re cheap, but I think they’re flimsy.

Have you thought of a high-visibility vest or poncho for when you’re hitching or just walking along a road?

I don’t think east-central Tennessee is good for public transportation (as part of a general discussion on PT). Someone did come into my office to see about getting an appointment with my boss, and told me he’d hitchhiked across a couple of counties to do it. Knoxville and Nashville have buses, but the smaller cities don’t, they just have taxis. And most places aren’t exactly walkable cities, although I’m told there are Oak Ridgers who can remember back to when we didn’t have sidewalks.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

RE: CassandraSays and MordsithJ

I certainly don’t. I worry sometimes; I try to keep jargon out of my talk, but I wouldn’t be surprised if I slip. Keep me honest, okay? If I’m talking in such a way that I’m not communicating, I’m doing it wrong.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Funny is also always acceptable, as are cats ^.^

Also, not lying or manipulating people. Going to guess those two you can handle (and cats, and cats and printers)

Obsidian Files
8 years ago

@BS:
“It’s also funny that this dude thinks that puas will leave alone married women, or women who don’t go to nightclubs. They have entire programs that are supposed to teach guys to hit on women outside of nightclub environments and probably many thousands of blog posts and forum threads where puas trade tips on how to hit on women online, at shopping malls, grocery stores, walking down the street, within their social circle, etc.”

O: This is absolutely true, except for the “hitting on married women” part, which I am not aware of and is not a part of my seduction community. Day Game, is indeed a very real thing.

“Likewise, they share tactics and lines and memorized scripts for hitting on women with boyfriends or husbands and trying to have sex with them.”

O: Such things can only work if the Women in question acede to it; moreover, it isn’t like the seduction community was the cause of infidelity. Moreover, I don’t know what they call them in the White community, but in the Black community, they call them “war councils” – groups of Black Women who gather to discuss relationship issuess and to trade tips and the like for the express purpose of getting into (or out of) the relationship they desire. Again, Women have been doing this forever. Why is it bad when the PUAs do it? Why not hold both equally to account?

“So yeah but no, doesn’t matter if a woman is taken, if she doesn’t go to nightclubs or bars, or for that matter if the pua even finds her attractive (since even a woman they’re not attracted to counts as “practice” to them), she’s still fair game to these douchebags.”

O: Women get hit on all the time by all kinds of guys, PUAs are just Johnny Come Latelys. Why single them out in light of these facts?

@Pecinium:
“Daygame, right?”

O: Correct.

“how laundromats are great places, and dog parks, and waiting in line at the DMV (she can’t get away… captive audience).”

O: LOL. Not quite. But yes, pretty much anywhere Men and Women get together, there too shall you find Game…

“Yeah, it’s all about the “offer, and if she says no, ‘just bounce’”,”

O: That’s the way I do it…

O.

Kittehserf
8 years ago

Cassandra, do you like coat-dresses? I think the skull leggings would look great with one in black.

The feeling-like-you-need-uni thing was what made me hesitate about delurking, back in the day. Not in a sense of being actively sneered at, just that I’d be out of my depth and maybe not that welcome because of it. It’s very nice to see someone say straight out that that’s not the case, even knowing it long since.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

RE: Argenti

Man, I went to GRAD SCHOOL and I can’t follow the stats talk. But then again, they are one part of my understanding that’s lacking. Never did get the hang of them. (Standards of deviation… *shudder*

RE: Falconer

Yeah, I probably ought to invest in something a bit tougher; one of my roommates busted my other one just uncorking a wine bottle. Useless! And I’m from Texas; I recall with dismay the awful, awful state of transportation there. If you didn’t have a car, you were sunk. *sigh* One way or another, I’m sure I’ll get where I need to be though.

As for high-visibility vest… I really hope I wouldn’t be walking or hitching on a road in the middle of the night! D: If I’m in that situation, getting hit is the least of my worries!

Kittehserf
8 years ago

Argenti, I doubt there’s a language invented that would make me understand stats, lol! I quit maths the minute I was able to after barely scraping through four painful years in high school. Since I heard of dyscalculia I suspect I may have it; I sure have some of the symptoms.

Obsidian Files
8 years ago

@SittieKitty:
“lmao. This is quite possibly one of the most hilariously stupid things you’ve said yet. Very few people prosecute rape, let alone rapist wannabees like those who use Game. Go look at rape statistics, how many people a) report, b) prosecute, c) go to trial, and d) get convicted. It’s percents of percents. It’s minuscule. Prosecuting rape isn’t even worth the ordeal for many people. It sure as hell wasn’t for me. My ability to get away from my abuser was waaaay more important for me than throwing my life into shit for years having to relive my experiences and having to describe it over and over to people who don’t believe me, and to people who are trying to prove it didn’t happen. My safety and peace of mind was more important than trying to navigate the court system to get anything done – and it wouldn’t have gone that far, I’m 100% sure it wouldn’t have even gone to an arrest, let alone a trial and conviction.”

O: Then, I am sorry to inform you that because of your refusal to report it, that rapist has most likely gone on to reoffend; that is the pattern. If we want to reduce rapes, Women who have been attacked MUST come forward to report it. For my part I don’t want rapists in the camp. If they’ve committed a crime, I want them brought to justice.

Making the case that Women must come forward, could very well address some of the more egregious behavior in the pickup community too – yes?

O.

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