Hey, hostile visitors! Do you have an opinion about, for example, Mary Koss’ rape research? Do you want to discuss it even though the topic has not actually come up by itself in any of the threads and none of my recent posts really have much to do with the specifics of anyone’s rape research? Well, from now on you can discuss it here with anyone who wishes to follow you to this thread.
Added bonus: If you continue to try to discuss it in other threads you’ll be banned!
This also applies to future derailers riding hobbyhorses of their own having nothing to do with Koss.
Happy discussing!
Note: If you wish to discuss the topics at hand, you know, topics directly related to my posts and/or to what other people are discussing and that aren’t, you know, personal hobbyhorses of yours that involve long screeds and various things that you’ve probably already cut and pasted into the comments sections of various other websites until you were banned from them for endless derailing and general asswipery, feel free to remain in the original threads.
Yep.
That was easy.
Is that what you call all the JAQing off you do?
@PEMRA:
Good so far. It is not a simple subject. What you need to do is go googling for information. It’s out there, and other people can explain it much better than I. But you need to actually do the research outside of the MRM rather than “bring[ing] all perspectives into the disuss[ion]” lest you be charged with JAQing off.
Well I was going to tell genderneutrallanguage to learn to read for comprehension but I see that Aaliyah already has.
“‘“The hegemonic, anti-feminine nature of patriarchal masculinity marginalizes some men.’
So, it is that men are always advantaged in every situation without exception. Thanks for the clarification.”
See, this is truly so simple that a child could grasp it. When “some men” are marginalized, that’s the opposite of “men are always advantaged”. See, some men are not always advantaged *cough*non-white*cough* men, disabled men, trans* men, etc. however, even within those subgroups, generally speaking, men have the advantage and are thus privileged.
Did you have trouble with the “anti-feminine nature” part? See, that means that insufficently masculine men (effeminate men, itself often a homophobic slur) are insulted, belittled, put down, and, basically, assumed to be lesser. Because *gasp* of the treats they share with women! See, for example, the assumption that men in fashion are gay. Or that only women wear any sort of makeup.
Of course, there are also cases where men are praised for doing things that are normally assigned to women. See previous discussion about childcare.
But the whole “men don’t show emotion” thing? Well there you have a factor in why men commit suicide more often than women. Asking for help is seen as weak, girly, lesser, unacceptable.
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What should I have for lunch? Bearing in mind that my depressive energy level ranges from “fuck this” to “eh, microwave is easy”…I’m debating nuking a potato and having a “baked” potato.
“the CO2 you provide the plants”
Where do I get FerMax? I am failing to find it.
(Not completely random, I promise, but let’s derail this shit back to fun topics)
Yes, women are disadvantaged just for being women:
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/09/14/1211286109#aff-1
But bringing the uninformed polemic perspective to the discussion is really useful. Please, keep doing it.
@Howardbann1ster- I’ll familiarize myself with the literature, and get back to you. Problem is I can’t take the word of a site with an ideological bent. I take MRA sites with a grain of salt, too. It’s all spin and ideology, ugh. This is why I keep saying feminists and MRAs should meet halfway- in good faith. It’s why I think and antagonistic relationship might be a good thing, because both sides keep the other from sliding into strident ideology.
Shut up. PEMRA.
At present, I’m treating PEMRA like I do my father. Ignore him and he’ll get bored and go rant at someone else.
Anyone have idea how to finish the edges of a t-shirt turned undershirt/tanktop/whatever? Folding over curved edges seems inadvisable. I do have some hemming lace though (hey, the stuff makes a good cheap touch on my Steampunk // Victorian creations)
PEMRA: I’m not informed on th[is] … I’m just bringing all perspectives into the discussing.
Which is it? Are you ignorant? Or are you bringing some perspective (didn’t want to risk confusing you, what with those latinate roots, mutliple meanings (this time it seems you are using all of the third entry).
@Pecunium, reread my post and try again.
PEMRA: @Howardbann1ster- I’ll familiarize myself with the literature, and get back to you.
No you won’t. You’ll use this as a deflection, then ignore it; and when it comes up again you’ll say, “I’ve already addressed the issue”, and act all huffy.
This is why I keep saying feminists and MRAs should meet halfway- in good faith.
If you can find any good faith MRM sites, let us know.
Then again, that would require you and good faith to be all that well acquainted.
PEMRA: Is that all you’ve got? The gallery has let you know it’s not playing well to the crowd, and if it’s not convinced me by now, well simple (and I do mean that) repetition isn’t going to help.
If you don’t know, then you can’t provide a perspective, merely an uninformed opinion.
I think I see your problem. You aren’t used to people reading you for content. You think it’s all, “strident ideology”. Be a little more trusting. The world’s more fun that way.
I have to go shopping now PEMRA, so you can take your time composing the pithy comeback.
PS:
For those who really want to know more about the wage gap, Echidne of the Snakes has a good series.
Because there is a large part of the wage gap that goes back to ‘women are providing the housework and child care, and so need more flexibility, and so work less hours, and so miss opportunities.’ (i.e., the cited ’77 cents on the dollar’ isn’t really how it works–too simplified)
BUT: that’s sexist to begin with, and we can do better than that.
BUT: that doesn’t explain away the whole wage gap, just a part of it.
Understanding the different pieces in play actually may require some modicum of thinking. It’s no surprise MRAs have trouble with this.
How is it that PEMRA takes all MRA sites with a grain of salt, calling them all spin and ideology, and yet his very handle labels him as an MRA? If I found myself seriously saying “Yeah, all those feminist sites are pretty crap, but feminism is still a good thing,” I’d be doing a double-take on the spot.
But fine, I’m curious now. PEMRA, what would you consider to be “half-way” between feminism and the MRM?
And now, because I’ve been reading all of homestuck and I have issues, I must ask the following question: Should feminists and MRAs be in a Moirallegiiance or some sort of Kismesissitude? When it comes down to it, I don’t think feminists really despise MRAs the way MRAs despise feminists, they just think MRAs are kinda pathentic and more of the same.
…including the ones who host incitements to terrorism?
Do you renounce terrorism or not? STOP HAVING IT BOTH WAYS.
*is still ignoring PEMRA*
Perspective eh? I should be working on furnishing my grandfather’s nursing home apt thing…which means using the fourth definition (or google SketchUp, but I enjoy perspective drawing…maybe because I learned it via assignments of drawing castles…)
Yep, I am the non sequitur bot today. My energy level is set somewhere around “cats and humor”.
I’m bemused by people who continually insist that other people don’t understand them as a way of asserting their intellectual superiority. They’re going for “operating at an intellectual level too high for you to understand” but hitting “can’t communicate their way out of a paper bag.”
Aka “you don’t understand me because I’m not making sense”
The worst is when other people do understand, but the attitude is “they aren’t agreeing with me, so they obviously must be unable to understand.” I’ve known a few people like that… they were obnoxious.
@kirbywarp:
Yeah, feminism does not really return the MRM’s Caliginous leanings; you’ve gotta be peers to have a properly Concupiscent Kismesis and they’re just not.
@katz- Not really. Everyone else is keeping up just fine, even if we disagree. It’s only Pecunium who can’t seem to keep his facts straight and make coherent posts. Now, maybe he’s trolling me or something, I don’t know if he likes to do that to new posters. But either way it’s pretty irritating.
Nope. You’re not keeping up.
Pemmy, you are a fucking liar. Your trouble with Pecunium? You refuse to engage with the question of whether AVFM is inciting terrorism.