Happy New Year! I’ve spent the day so far lazing around, eating leftover pizza and listening to music. And that’s about all I’m going to do, I think.
I’ll be back at work blogging tomorrow.
In the meantime, does anyone have any especially fond memories of Tom Martin and/or Steele from the past year?
Oh, and here’s a video from an Old School New Wave band called Polyphonic Size. It was 1983. They were from Belgium.
“BTW… if anyone want’s to follow my blog on twitter, I have a feed to announce posts @BetterThanSalt”
How’d you know that I’m currently fighting with iPad apps about twitter support? 😛
Oh… if you are planning to seriously use the iPad for blogging/twitter, etc. you might want to get a keyboard.
Lol, I have tiny hands, been using it here since Christmas 🙂
And I hate twitter, if it wasn’t EA’s favorite way to drop easter eggs, I wouldn’t use it.
I’ll consider a real keyboard though (the on screen one really does work well though, even on the mini…I really do have tiny hands) I mean “too small to play guitar” tiny, which you’d think wouldn’t be that different from violin, but no…
Starla, if you are interested in engaging at all, maybe you could just answer one question:
What is the purpose of punishment? When this girl gets punished, what do you think it should be trying to accomplish?
Something’s bugging me. Wasn’t it Starla who was talking a day or two ago about wanting to talk to MRMs on their own turf, unworried about how unpleasant that would be (fair enough in itself) and wanting to know how they tick? The same mob who harbour a lot of child rape fantasists, who want women killed – something that’s hardly unmentioned here, and in these same conversations. The ones who approve of and defend abusers, including child abusers.
Yet she (if I’ve got the right person; apologies if not) cannot or will not try to consider what might be going on with a desperate fourteen-year-old girl.
@Katz you beat me to it. I think another big issue here is what is punishment for, what are you trying to achieve.
@katz
Why bother? I already admitted I was wrong.
And yes kitteh that was me. I already admitted that the only thing I knew about this girl was that she killed her baby. I do not know if she was abused, raped etc. Ive come to realize that the reason I can’t imagine myself taking the path that she did, is because I’ve never been in the same dark place as her. I could pretend to understand what it would have been like in her situation but it would never be the same as actually being her. Kitteh, I’m no expert at this, I’m still learning. As for MRAs, I find it difficult to compare the two. (I hope) they just log on and talk crap, it’s a very pathetic and unhealthy mentality, but I can’t help but wonder how they came to be that way. I could only imagine this girl was in a frenzy of emotions and acted, I couldn’t imagine her thought process. And that’s what put me in the wrong, while I was ranting about inhumanity and evil, I didn’t think about the kind of inhumanity that might have happened to her to make her do that.
Thanks for saying that, Starla. I get what you’re saying about this girl, now. I was under the impression you knew more about how – to borrow a Steelism – vile the MRM is. My mistake, I’m sorry.
@kitteh
No no, I shouldve been more clear and not have been so hasty to judge at first glance. But I did learn something and that is what I came here to do. So it wasn’t completely unproductive.
But now that we’re all on a more positive note, can someone tell me who Steele is? I don’t think I caught that.
All about Steele.
http://manboobz.com/2013/01/02/the-winner-of-the-man-boobz-troll-of-the-year-award-for-2012-goes-to-mral-no-thats-not-a-typo/
One reason would be that you’ve annoyed me and, I think, others pretty badly and are showing a tendency to never answer questions, no matter how direct and pertinent, so if you’d like to continue to be part of this community you might throw us a bone and answer.
Another would be that then we could have a real conversation about what sorts of punishments might be appropriate in this case and why, and we might subsequently get something out of this conversation besides frustration.
@cassandra
Why do I always hear about the trolls just a little too late? I need to look here more often, so far, I suck at this lol
Oh don’t worry, Steele // Mr. Al // Josephine // Torvus Butthorn // Varpole // all his other socks will be back soon enough!
As Steele he finally learned that if he doesn’t want to be spotted right away he needs to not pester me specifically. I am enjoying this new development, especially the idea that he may find it rather frustrating.
I’m pretty sure that Skyrimjob was him too.
@katz
I did get something out of this conversation, I learned something. And you seemed pretty sure of what punishments were appropriate the whole time you were shooting me down. Why would you need me to verify your thoughts? As for your annoyance, I’m afraid I can’t help you there. I already admitted I was wrong and approached the situation from a newfound light.
I didn’t mean to ignore your questions, I explained before that it’s very hard for me to read comments because this website doesn’t agree with my iPhone and scrolls all the way back up to the top randomly. I’ve also explained that I don’t have answers because I realized that I don’t have a point and am incorrect. I didn’t realize that in my ranting I was filling in the blanks as to why I should sympathize with this girl. Should I still be obligated to answer your questions if I know longer have the same viewpoint I did before?
I also didn’t realize that you ran this community and decided how everyone should behave on this website. I will try to dictate myself accordingly next time.
Welp.
Starla’s trollin’.
Think she’s a new troll or a sock? She’s appeared uncannily close to MRAL’s unveiling…
At this point the assumption should be that any new troll is probably him.
@katz
LOL I’m not “trolling” anyone. I had a change of opinion and called you out on dragging out a resolved conflict, and telling me what I should do if I want to “remain a part of this community”. You don’t want a conversation, you want a fight, and I’m not giving it to you.
Whoa, here comes the aggression. Trolly indeed.
…This is not how one goes about not giving someone a fight.
“…this website doesn’t agree with my iPhone and scrolls all the way back up to the top randomly”
Hit the little refresh circle/arrow, works on iPad so I’d assume it works on iPhone (I haven’t the damnedest clue why or ho it works, but it does)
“…This is not how one goes about not giving someone a fight.”
Indeed not.
@argenti
I’ve tried that, it doesn’t work. I guess I’m stuck like this until school starts back (that’s the only time I ever think to turn on my laptop)
Anyways, it’s 3:48 in the morning where I live and I have to work tomorrow.
I’d like to apologize again for my ill informed BS and I hope you all have a good night! 🙂
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Geidel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Bell
This is a subject that I have mixed feelings about. A young person murders someone else. You have the “now what?” question to answer.
Either keep them in jail for a ridiculous amount of time, like they did with Paul Geidel, where they can’t function outside of prison anymore, or try to reform them like Mary Bell, so they have a second shot at life once they get out. Geidel was in so long he couldn’t live anymore. Something he did at 18 imprisoned him for the remainder of his life. Bell was able to leave jail and live a quiet life afterwards, without becoming a sadistic monster.
One the one hand it doesn’t seem fair to punish someone forever for something they did when they couldn’t understand the gravity of their action, but on the other, what right does society have to force a person to change? I don’t have a good answer for that, but I don’t think enough people consider the ethical questions that rehabilitation creates.