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JohnTheOther: the Aurora heroes aren’t heroes. KEYWORDS: calculus of death, vagina, drug addled slut

Children: Not worth saving, apparently.

JohnTheOther, blabby videoblogger and Number Two at A Voice for Men, has now weighed in with his own, slightly tardy, manifesto on the Aurora shooting and the evils of supposed male “disposability.” I didn’t read the whole thing – seriously, dude, OMIT NEEDLESS WORDS – but a few things stood out when I skimmed it. For example, this lovely passage, which seems to be a longer and fouler version of that ill-advised tweet from the Wall Street Journal’s James Taranto that I mentioned in my last post.

Our mainstream, which is to say, our corporate media – that which bends and fawns for access to the corrupt elected officials and modern robber barons of corporate statehood – is telling you, young man, that in order to be worthwhile, a real man, you’d better be prepared to die without complaint for the child, or the little old lady, or the drug addled slut in the next seat.

But Mr. TheOther is having none of it:

The instinct – expressing itself variously as chivalry or as fatal self sacrifice — is just one more that no longer has any discernable benefit. It is an encumbrance to any real pursuit of a civilized society in which one class of humans is not legally and socially elevated over another.

Sorry, kids; sorry, old ladies; sorry “drug addled sluts” — you’re on your own. Apparently, in a truly civilized society, no one ever looks out for anyone else. Altruism is for barbarians and Bill Bennett!

Here’s JtO’s stirring conclusion:

Those three men are not heroes, they’re just dead. The calculus of death, where one life is traded in celebration for another by preference of a vagina, is pathological and regressive. It must be recognized as the sickness it is. Those who lionized these men, whose fatal and unexamined instinct led to self-destruction; those who held them up as a heroic example to follow, are cordially invited to go first — or to go fuck themselves.

Charming as always, Mr. TheOther.

In the discussion of Mr. TheOther’s post in the Men’s Rights Subreddit, AVFM’s Paul Elam expands on the whole they aren’t heroes” theme, arguing that we need to retroactively strip away the hero status of the three men who died protecting their girlfriends — because they died protecting women.

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TheNatFantastic
9 years ago

@Falconer @Karalora

I had a big fallout with a friend after saying something on Twitter about who died in Deathly Hallows (book) just before DH2 (film) came out. I was bewildered about why he was so mad, the book had been out for about four or five years by then, but he pointed out he’d spent those five years raising his twin kids. I felt really bad, so I’m happy to not put out spoilers even if it’s been a long time.

Also I would steal a person’s skin to wear as a cape if they spoilered an episode of Doctor Who I hadn’t seen (perils of going out on a Saturday night and peeking at social media :/)

pecunium
9 years ago

And yeah.. he hates the idea of men doing something which is about making women happy; even if they do it because it pleases them to know they made a woman happy: perhaps even more if that’s the reason.

Doing it just because we like it… disgusting.

He’s beyond understanding. Just when you think you’ve figured something out, he pulls something like this and you see is misanthropy is more complete than you wanted to imagine.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
9 years ago

He gets something from it. Either a sense of social interaction, or the idea that he’s taking the fight to the enemy, or a frisson of joy from the abuse.

But it’s something.

I’m starting to think it’s how he practices his version of Christianity.

pecunium
9 years ago

Roger Ebert managed to spoiler The Name of the Rose for me. He revealed what the book at the center of the mystery was in his review (I was reading it, on the couch, in another room; about 2/3rds of the way into it),and I saw everything… who had done it, why they were doing it, etc.

Because, while Ebert didn’t understand what the big deal was about that book, I did. In that place, at that time, to that monk… it was pure evil and no price would be too great to keep it from becoming known.

nwoslave
9 years ago

@Nobinayamu
“And a month or so ago he was on here in yet another spittle-flecked, frothing rage about how Ozy was a liar because he read on her blog that she didn’t like cunnilingus and some other women said they didn’t either.”

Actually she was a liar for a totally different reason. However, “spittle-flecked, frothing rage,” is sooooo me. The spittle-flecked, frothing rage slave. Ohhh, i like that!

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
9 years ago

Pecunium, I think that’s part of it; a big part of it.

But it’s deeper than that -and more revolting. NWO hates the reality of female sexuality and desire as a whole. He is, literally, bothered by the very idea that women can desire and choose to have sex. The only part of female sexuality that he deigns to acknowledge is reproductive capacity. “A woman’s sexuality is her ability to arouse a man.”

Female sexual desire and capacity for sexual pleasure is, as far as he’s concerned, not required for reproduction. It’s not just that he believes that it holds no value, he believes on a very real level that it does not or should not exist. And the fact that it does infuriates him.

Cunnilingus is a non-reproductive sexual act that is capable of directly pleasuring a woman. And it pisses him off to no end.

Falconer
Falconer
9 years ago

Also I would steal a person’s skin to wear as a cape if they spoilered an episode of Doctor Who I hadn’t seen (perils of going out on a Saturday night and peeking at social media :/)

Travelling in the TARDIS is good for your cardiovascular health.

Asking you for a list of episodes of Doctor Who you haven’t seen would be overly burdensome, though. There’s gonna be 33 seasons before too much longer

TheNatFantastic
9 years ago

@Falconer

The only times the skin-cape threat comes into play is if there’s a new series on and I have to go out on the night it airs and watch it on iPlayer the next day. That 16 hour period is the only time I’m that dangerous.

Noadi
9 years ago

He gets something from it. Either a sense of social interaction, or the idea that he’s taking the fight to the enemy, or a frisson of joy from the abuse.

I’m convinced he gets off on humiliation.

pillowinhell
pillowinhell
9 years ago

FfffffUuuuuuucccccckkkkkkkk

All I can think after reading the rapists post is that he’s not said one thing to convince me he’s not still raping. Especially as its the struggle to get away that gets him off.

Still, what he wrote pretty much proves everything feminists have ever said about rapists, God help us all.

I’m hoping that women who’ve been raped aren’t triggered and realize that the blame and shame belongs to the (being who only posseses the make a human kit of genes) rapist.

I, Personally find myself twisting in knots because I REALLY want revenge on assholes like this, but what I have in mind for them would make me little better than they are.

Freitag
Freitag
9 years ago

@Noadi, that would be rather sad. 🙁 Has he said why he stays in “hell?”

Noadi
9 years ago

@Frietag Nothing wrong with having humiliation as your kink, and I wouldn’t want to subject some nice Domme to him. It’s the only explanation I can come up with, why else would he be so persistent in a place he knows his views are so reviled.

Erl
Erl
9 years ago

If you look at the bible, the first sin was the temptation of the forbidden apple.

If you look at the Bible, and, you know, actually look at it, you’d know that it’s NOT A FUCKING APPLE. IT’S A GOD-DAMN UNSPECIFIED FRUIT.

this profanity-laced announcement brought to you by the committee of DEAR GOD, DO YOU FUCKING READ? SERIOUSLY.

pecunium
9 years ago

Freitag, I think it’s because all the other bolgiae kicked him out.

Effie
Effie
9 years ago

Pecunium,

I’ve seen soldiers, manly types; SF dudes, bawling their eyes out. I’ve seen dudes be stoic as all fuck.

I’ve known some of each to kill themselves. I have a friend who spent chunks of time making sure he knew which pistol he’d use to kill himself (he’s better now). I know people who cut themselves to make the urge to kill themselves go away.

It’s not that one needs to be “in touch with one’s emotions”. It’s more complex than that.

A whole lot of THIS. I’m in a dialectical behavioral therapy group for veterans with PTSD. I’m one of two females; males are the other ten (yes, I still use “male” and “female” to describe gender of troops). The range of emotions in the group goes from stoic to shitshow, and usually change per person on any given day. Each person has a different reaction to things we did, witnessed, or experienced, and each person is at a different emotional and mental place in coping with and healing from it. Most of us have attempted suicide at least once. The people I’m in the group with, to a one, held it together for at least a year after whatever traumatic event. My series of traumas was in 2006; I’m just now dealing with it. One guy did fine holding it all in for two years after he came back from Iraq, and then one day tried to eat his Sig for breakfast.

Trauma is an extremely personal event that’s going to be divergent from person to person. There’s usually a lot of guilt involved: survivor’s guilt, the shame that’s heaped on victims of sexual assault, the guilt of feeling like you didn’t do enough to stop whatever happened, etc. There’s guilt, fear, loss of trust, and trying to put your life back together into something resembling what it was before. In the case of military-related trauma, you have to maintain this stoicism to get through the mission and keep shit together. You can’t afford to fall apart right away. So the trauma festers inside you. For the families and survivors of this shooting, it’s going to be different.

As an aside, I knew Rebecca Wingo, one of the people killed in the Aurora shooting. I served with her on my last tour of duty. She was a good Airman, exceptional at her job, and a wonderful person. The world is a little paler without her in it.

Remembering Rebecca Wingo.

Freitag
Freitag
9 years ago

Well, to each their own I guess. But he doesn’t seem to be very happy and that’s a bummer.

I’ll just run over here for relief:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/expresident/the-cutest-things-that-ever-happened

Naira
Naira
9 years ago

@Effie:

Here’s hoping for the best for you and your therapy group. I’m also sorry to hear that Rebecca was killed.

A high school classmate of mine was also one of the ones killed. I’d rather not link to the articles about him, though, as that’d have the side effect of divulging a little too much information about me to people I’d rather not.

ShadetheDruid
ShadetheDruid
9 years ago

Freitag: Not gonna lie, I felt a little emotional when I read number 25.. Aww..

Freitag
Freitag
9 years ago

@Shade, me too. Also 24, and 29. Still reading the rest. But how great are all these pics?

aworldanonymous
9 years ago

So I’m a fresh pair of eyes viewing Owleys bile, was he always this infuriating/hilarious?

aworldanonymous
9 years ago

I swear, half of his posts drive me to nearly godwin the thread.

Sharculese
9 years ago

So I’m a fresh pair of eyes viewing Owleys bile, was he always this infuriating/hilarious?

he actually used to be a lot funnier, more ridiculous shit and less just general frothing bile

we keep a list

http://manboobz.forummotion.com/t454-nwo-s-big-book-of-learnin

Kakanian
Kakanian
9 years ago

So… I understand that in claiming that children are not worth saving he has basically relinquished his membership card in US culture forever?

Naira
Naira
9 years ago

@ aworldanonymous:

I’ve only been lurking/occasionally commenting for a relatively short period of time…but yeah, pretty much. Though the warning to sunshinemary to stay away and the list of our “sins” was in very, very fine frothing-form. Many others are more like “dismissive superiority” with a twist of “condescending sarcasm.”

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