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Men Going Their Own Way: Best and Worst Case Scenarios

MGTOW: Best-Case Scenario

Worst-Case Scenario:

Even-Worster-Case Scenario:

Also, it goes without saying, the entirety of MGTOWforums.com, NiceGuy’s MGTOW Forum, Happy Bachelors Forum.

Note: If you actually watch any of these worster-case videos, please go back to the best-case scenario video to remind yourself that there is hope for our world.

EDITED TO ADD:  The fellows at MGTOWforums.com have responded to my post yesterday about them. Enjoy.

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katz
10 years ago

Besides, in Sweden, “mohawk hairstyle” is called “tuppkam”, which literally translate to “rooster’s crest”.

Interesting; now I want to make that name catch on in America!

MorkaisChosen
MorkaisChosen
10 years ago

The RPG character thing basically comes down to how well-handled it is. We’re sat here on Insufficient Data To Judge. If it’s riddled with bullshit and stereotypes, then yeah, ‘s not the best of things. If it’s done well (and, hell, in Shadowrun I can see it being done to address racist shittyness that exists in our societies), then I have no problem with it.

(If you think I’m wrong, I’d be interested in arguments as to why- I’ve changed my mind on this sort of thing as a result in the past.)

Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

Raoul — perhaps I misread you and you were implying MRAs think that? It came off as you saying “this is how things actually are” not “this is what some people think” — I was arguing with the former, I’m sure some people do think that, they’re just wrong though (to a level of paradoxically wrong that makes my head hurt)

Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

Re: RPG characters, I’m going to agree with MorkaisChosen on this one as the only other option I see if having a 100% white cast of RP characters and that strikes me as worse than trying to tactfully handle minority characters…I’d not cosplay them though.

Guy Noir — yeah I have and omfgs wtf was he thinking? “I liked having stuff in my hair as Captain Jack so let me put all the random stuff in my hair”?! The budget that must have and no one thought to at least ask some Native Americans how they’d like to see the role handled? Or maybe cast a Native American?

Rutee — idk about Japan, but I had a friend quit teaching English in Korea early because she couldn’t take the mockery over cultural differences — things like wanting to wear a towel in the swimming pool’s dressing room. She had issues getting mental health coverage from her employer too, so I’m not sure how much it was racism that drove her back to the US early, but it is possible to be racist to USians outside the US. Celebrating Christmas doesn’t really get an entire nation a free pass on everything else…but you’re right, we invaded Japan, not Korea, so maybe this is irrelevant.

Point is just that there’s a difference between absorbing US culture and how people treat USians in the country, most people are more comfortable with things in theory than practice.

Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

if having 100% = is having 100% >.<

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
10 years ago

Of course Hesster is a fan of Debito Arudo…

Debito is an asshat. His whole shtick is concern trolling; he moves to Japan, becomes a Japanese citizen just so he can tell Japanese people “This is how terible you are and here`s what you need to change about yourselves”. I heard he`d recently moved back to America which is good news.

As a foreigner living in Japan (just moved here 2 months ago…have been here three times before for short stayss) I can confirm that there are some ways in which you sometimes feel alienated by Japanese people. But as a white person my experience is still way more positive than if I were any other kind of foreigner (black, Hispanic, or even Korean).

Rutee Katreya
10 years ago

Re: RPG characters, I’m going to agree with MorkaisChosen on this one as the only other option I see if having a 100% white cast of RP characters and that strikes me as worse than trying to tactfully handle minority characters…I’d not cosplay them though.

Not to belabor the point, but you can only have a cast of 100% white characters this way if you only have a player group that is 100% white, which seems a much bigger problem. But no, what I said was that if the character was stupidly handled then yeah actually, it’d be better to stop. I don’t know or really care to find out the exactly correct solution here, because we already know the answer Hesster is fishing for; carte blanche.

Rutee — idk about Japan, but I had a friend quit teaching English in Korea early because she couldn’t take the mockery over cultural differences — things like wanting to wear a towel in the swimming pool’s dressing room. She had issues getting mental health coverage from her employer too, so I’m not sure how much it was racism that drove her back to the US early,

IIRC we still have military presence in Korea and we didn’t entirely lose worldwide respect there. I’d be very surprised if white people didn’t still have pride of place as they do basically everywhere else. I’ve been surprised before though.

but it is possible to be racist to USians outside the US

You mean white people. It’s trivially true that one can be racist to US people, because around a quarter of the US populace is not white.

But as a white person my experience is still way more positive than if I were any other kind of foreigner (black, Hispanic, or even Korean).

I remember a black dude teaching English had a website for a while about his time there. There was some ‘fun’ fucked up shit in there. I doubt it’s entirely a bed of roses for anyone, but I know white people still get cut a lot of slack (That isn’t even cut to other Japanese people, f’rex)

Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

Rutee —

“Not to belabor the point, but you can only have a cast of 100% white characters this way if you only have a player group that is 100% white, which seems a much bigger problem.”

Eh, yes and no — you could always have non-white players playing white characters, but you’re correct that I have a set of white players (well, I’m of Native descent, but that’s kind of besides the point as I’m ST/DM) — that I’m having a hell of time getting 4 people to give me solid schedules is part of the problem, that and I have no non-white friends with an interest in vampire RPG. They’re also all men, though one’s written up a female character and she’s quite well done, he intends to tackle the woman in Victorian London issues. Basically though I just have a tiny set of people with any interest.

“IIRC we still have military presence in Korea and we didn’t entirely lose worldwide respect there. I’d be very surprised if white people didn’t still have pride of place as they do basically everywhere else. I’ve been surprised before though.”

I really don’t know how much it was that she’s a white USian, and how much it was the utter lack of respect for her need for mental health care (she’s bipolar, so that’s really not some “can’t you wait 6 months?” thing).

“You mean white people.”

Yes, I did, my apologies for not making that clear.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
10 years ago

Is Hester actually trying to provide a perfect example of “does not understand how racism works”?

RE Japan – yes, it’s pretty damn prejudiced towards people who’re not ethnically Japanese with Japanese citizenship and the family registry to prove it. Mostly towards other Asian people. You want to talk about poor treatment of minority groups in Japan? OK, let’s start with acknowledging that what we’re seeing would be more appropriately described as xenophobia rather than racism, and move on from there to acknowledge that the primary victims are a. the native peoples of various Japanese islands (Ainu, Ryokan), b. the Burakumin, who are ethnically Japanese (probably, various historians still seem to disagree about this), but of a caste that in some ways approximates to the untouchables in India, and the victims of widespread and pervasive discrimination, and c. ethnic Koreans who really should have Japanese citizenship, but don’t, because as we already discussed, xenophobia.

White people in Japan want to talk about discrimination against them? Take a number, get in line, because there are a lot of other groups with significantly worse problems to be dealt with first. It’s just that white people in Japan often think that they’re being discriminated against in worse ways than anyone else because for many of them it’s the first time in their lives they’ve ever not been part of the culturally dominant group, and it’s a hell of a shock.

Also, even if people eating burgers and celebrating Christmas (kind of) in Japan was appropriation? That still wouldn’t make it OK for Americans to dress up as “Native American Chief, With Headdress” for costume parties.

MorkaisChosen
MorkaisChosen
10 years ago

(The other way to avoid Cast Of White People in RPGs is to play a green dude. Works better in some games than others, admittedly. 😉 )

lauralot89
10 years ago

@katz: Nonsense, he clearly has learned how to debate from the most mature and masculine of all men, Superman!

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

RE: Lauralot

I have that panel as my trans rage icon on LJ and the manboobz forum! 😀

I also really want the shirt.

lauralot89
10 years ago

My rage icon on LJ is a Red Lantern vomiting blood/energy. 🙂

The “I Am a Man” shirt is at the top of my list of “things I need to own someday. That and the Etsy shirt with Loki yelling “I DO WHAT I WANT, THOR!”

Geno X
Geno X
10 years ago

Seems a lot of people are intimidated my MGTOW. As a future expat, I know there are BILLIONS of women that LOVE men who blaze their own path. I cosign Armageddon,

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