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Demotivated

Um, what?

I found this illustrating a typically incoherent rant about “The Aphrodisiac of the False Rape Claim” on What Men Are Saying About Women, the blog of the infamous MRA double period. Whoever made it needs to stop making Demotivational posters because he doesn’t understand how these posters are supposed to work. Or how to communicate a coherent message to other human beings using language.

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shaenon
10 years ago

“Man kills himself after woman accuses him of rape”
Not actually evidence of falsehood.

Ah, but it is evidence that being accused of rape–whether or not you did it–is way worse than being a victim of rape. Which is what this game is all about. It’s basically an even nastier version of the “calling what I said racist hurts more than racism!” thing.

redlocker
10 years ago

“Ah, but it is evidence that being accused of rape–whether or not you did it–is way worse than being a victim of rape. Which is what this game is all about. It’s basically an even nastier version of the “calling what I said racist hurts more than racism!” thing.”

Oh, christ, that “calling what I said racist hurts more than racism!” game happens all of the time. The people claiming that not only have a lack of perspective, they’re often too thin-skinned to actually take responsibility for their words/actions.

What JohnnyB is doings resembles that bullshit to a T.

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

@ozymandias42
“Most of my female friends who have been raped haven’t told many people, because they’re afraid of being disbelieved or shamed.”

“http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2011/02/one-in-four-lie-demolished-once-and-for.html

Read the report. The report took the actual number of rapes, added 90% more which is the number feminists claim are unreported and it comes out to 1 in 1877. These are actual real life statistics. No guessing involved other than the 90%, which is quite generous. So again I ask, why deny the truth?

Or are we going with what Bee says? “Out of women I’ve talked to about rape, nearly 100 percent have been raped.”

Are we now up to 100%?

Pecunium
10 years ago

Kristin: Re our little chuckeedee, and “idiots”. Men are idiots when they pull a knife, or roofie your drink (or if they are, “thugs”, or “white knights”).

Women who are native speakers of English “the Anglosphere” are idiots, one and all.

And feminists are the worst, because, unlike chuckeedee, they have unkind opinions toward all men and make blanket statements condemning them as jerks and assholes.

Bee
Bee
10 years ago

Slaveman: I read the “report,” and ha ha, it’s funny that you said that thing about “Are we now up to 100%?” because THAT’S actually the point that the “report” is trying to disprove. Just for the record, no one’s ever said that one in four women who go to college is raped every year.

Or just read my earlier comment on your “report.” I’m kind of sick of pointing out such obvious flaws. Where’s the fun in that? That car has a dent in it.

As to what I said about women I’ve talked to about rape: You miss the point. But of course you do! You wouldn’t be our little Slaveman if you actually understood anything. Hmm, let’s see. Do I actually take the time to explain to you that women who have been raped will open up to other women who have been raped and are probably more likely to be involved in the anti-rape community together where they can talk about these things, and once they’re involved, other women who have been raped will gravitate to them so they can open up about their own rapes, and that that is a singular data point that shows the flaws of your assertion that no women have ever been raped? Or is it no use talking to someone so fucking dumb? Eh. I think I know this one. Here’s your cookie, Slaveman. That’s a good Slaveman.

Pecunium
10 years ago

Johnny B: This is your headline case for the issue of “women falsely accuse men of rape”?

According to Deputy District Attorney Manny Bustamante, a rumor that Torres had raped Rodriguez’s girlfriend, Andrea Garcia, had been circulating.

Rodriguez, he said, waited for Torres at his apartment in the 66000 block of Second Street in Desert Hot Springs the night of May 13, 2006. When Torres arrived home, the two got into an argument….

Rodriguez and Chavarria bound Torres’ hands together with zip ties, walked him to a car and drove him to Rodriguez’s apartment on Palm Drive, Bustamante said.

Once at the apartment, Bustamante said, Rodriguez — while waving a gun — questioned Torres and Garcia about the rumor.

“He said it was going to be him or her, but somebody will tell him the truth,” Bustamante said.

Once Garcia said she was, indeed, raped by Torres, she was taken out of the room and Rodriguez shot the victim, according to the prosecution.

So he says he’s going to kill her, if she won’t admit to being raped and you say this proves that women just make false accusations for pleasure.

BlackBloc
BlackBloc
10 years ago

>>Just ask any 6 women if they’ve been raped, if they all say no, one of them is a liar.

Math FAIL.

The Hypergeometric Distribution Calculator so you can follow the calculations with me:
http://stattrek.com/tables/hypergeometric.aspx

Census Bureau Quick Facts:
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html

308,745,538 people in 2010
50.7% women

Thus roughly 156533988 women in the USA.

If we assume 1/6th of them were raped, that’s 26088998 female rape victims.

Your sample size is 6 women. The number of successes you’re trying to reach is 1.

Enter those numbers in the Hypergeometric calculator.
Pop size: 156533988
Number of successes in population: 26088998
Sample size: 6
Number of successes in sample: 1

Click ‘Calculate’. Wait. (With a big population like that I’m guessing the calculations take a bit longer than I’m used to, since usually that calculator was immediate and this time it took about 20-30 seconds.)

Look at “Cumulative Probability: P(X < 1)". This is the probability you'll find no woman that was raped in the sample. That's 0.33489…, or 33.5%.

So "1 in 6 women have been raped" is *VERY* far removed from the statement "If you ask 6 women if they've been raped and none say yes, someone lied". Events with a 1 in 3 probability of happening happen all the time.

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

@Bee
“Just for the record, no one’s ever said that one in four women who go to college is raped every year.”

Just for the record feminists have been saying 1 in 4 women get raped in college for quite some time. They’ve recently dropped their “official” stance to 1 in 5, while the pathetic RAINN stance is 1 in 6 for all women reguardless of college. Stop lying.
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“Or just read my earlier comment on your “report.” I’m kind of sick of pointing out such obvious flaws. Where’s the fun in that? That car has a dent in it.”

There is no flaws in an actual number and adding the feminists mantra of 90% being unreported. Stop lying.
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“As to what I said about women I’ve talked to about rape: You miss the point. But of course you do!”

Here is the quote from you with nothing left out. “Out of women I’ve talked to about rape, nearly 100 percent have been raped.”

Which means roughly 100% of every woman you have ever talked to about rape has been raped. Stop lying.
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“Do I actually take the time to explain to you that women who have been raped will open up to other women who have been raped and are probably more likely to be involved in the anti-rape community together where they can talk about these things, and once they’re involved, other women who have been raped will gravitate to them so they can open up about their own rapes, and that that is a singular data point that shows the flaws of your assertion that no women have ever been raped?”

And since you clearly stated, “Out of women I’ve talked to about rape, nearly 100 percent have been raped.” Which means if you’re talking to any woman about rape she will open up about her rape which has occured nearly 100% of the time. Further I have never assertained that no women have ever been raped. Stop lying.
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According to the actual numbers there were 13 sexual assaults in 2009 among those 3 colleges. In order to reach that all too fictional statistic of 1 in 4, that would mean the actual percentage of under-reporting would have be 46,923%, not the paultry 90% feminists claim. Or if you prefer, for every 1 sexual assault reported 469 go unreported.

Holly Pervocracy
10 years ago

NWO: I work in an emergency room that serves a number of towns with a combined population of maybe 50,000 people. We have a person (most often a woman, second most often a child of either gender) come in with a complaint of sexual assault maybe once a week.

It’s possible (in fact nearly certain; I didn’t go to the ER when I was assaulted) that more people than this are being assaulted, but it’s impossible that it’s fewer.

So that’s very roughly 1 in 500 women being assaulted–badly enough to need ER treatment–in some relatively sleepy suburbs–per year.

1 in 1877 my ass.

(Also, if that were true, me and the majority of my female friends should really buy some lottery tickets, because we seem to be an amazing statistical anamoly.)

Bee
Bee
10 years ago

“Just for the record feminists have been saying 1 in 4 women get raped in college for quite some time.”

Not EVERY YEAR, Slaveman! Stop being stupid.

“Further I have never assertained that no women have ever been raped.”

You asserted (that’s the word you were looking for) that no woman you knew had ever been raped. No wives of friends had ever come to you to bare their souls. No aunts or cousins. No one. In your own words: “Just the fact that my extended family of aunts, cousins, ect. plus all my friends and their wives, sisters, moms, ect, encompasses loads of women and none of them were raped is a statistical impossibility.”

What you’re really arguing here is that because no one in your extended family has ever told you she was raped, no one in your extended family has ever been raped. I say baloney. What have you ever done — what conversations have you had with all these women — that would cause them to want to open up to you? I’m guessing you’re far too busy, what with many months of not eating food, working 28-hour days at the milk factory, and having your machines that you built from scratch stolen from you, to have these types of loving, open conversations with women — who you clearly despise.

“Just for the sake of arguement, say I know 1200 women, @ 1 in 6 that’d be 200, @ 1 in 4 that’d be 300. It just isn’t true. Seriously, anyone who believes either of these stats has quite literally lost their fucking minds.”

The only thing I don’t believe in what you said is that you know 1200 women. Let’s say you know 24. Four out of those 24 have probably been raped. Oh, that’s nutty!!!, you say. Eh, I can believe it.

I’m not going to argue the one in four number with you, because it’s a figure that comes from a survey of a limited number of students in the 1980s, included attempted rapes and rapes and attempted rapes that occurred before entering college. Although it’s certainly been used as a scare tactic to get freshman girls’ attention (like the list of how not to wear your hair while in the laundry room, and how not to hang your purse on your body while walking across a dark parking garage), the report itself doesn’t support the idea that one in four women is raped while in college, and it’s old, limited, etc. (By the way: “etc.” is the proper way to spell that abbreviation. I had problems with that too, when I first learned it. Then I learned that it’s short for “et cetera,” which means “and [et] other things [cetera],” and it’s been easy peasy lemon squeezy ever since.)

However, the 15% number (it’s actually, to be precise, 14.8%) comes from the National Institute of Justice and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Prevalence, Incidence and Consequences of Violence Against Women Survey, completed in 1998. I haven’t looked at the study, so I can’t say that the methodology is everything it could be. Please, in the meantime, feel free to look it up yourself and tell me why it’s wrong. Points off for mentioning the Rothchilds [sic], Rockefellers, or selling birth certificate numbers on NASDAQ.

NF4ever
NF4ever
10 years ago

How many people suspect that the MRAs on thread have been accused of rape because they actually raped someone? But they blame the victim (or her thuglover, or society, or whatever)?

After re-reading it today (ahem- sorry about the typos up there), I’m beginning to have my suspicions.

I also find it amusing that feminists are accused of both having sex with maniacal thugs who are bound to abuse them because they are stupid and irresponsible, AND of denying sex to all but the poor whipped manginas who wear horn-rimmed glasses, have beards, and read poetry at the coffee shop.

Which is it? My boyfriends have been of the latter variety, I can’t really speak for the rest of womankind.

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

@Holly Pervocracy
“NWO: I work in an emergency room that serves a number of towns with a combined population of maybe 50,000 people. We have a person (most often a woman, second most often a child of either gender) come in with a complaint of sexual assault maybe once a week.

It’s possible (in fact nearly certain; I didn’t go to the ER when I was assaulted) that more people than this are being assaulted, but it’s impossible that it’s fewer.

So that’s very roughly 1 in 500 women being assaulted–badly enough to need ER treatment–in some relatively sleepy suburbs–per year.

1 in 1877 my ass.”

I’m afraid your math is way off dear. In the combined towns of 50,000, and 25,000 are women, and 1 a week, say over a 50 year period since many of them are children minus an additional 90% that aren’t reported. Heres how the math works out. (women = 25K/weeks = 52)/ years = 50 – 90% to find out the number of rapes per woman. 25,000 women/52 weeks = 480.769 per year/50 years = 9.615 – 90% that aren’t reported = .962. Which of course means for every .962 women 1 will be raped. This means over 100%. I guess Bee was right, 100% of women are raped, and more than once by your numbers.

Since all you too truthful feminists seem to have these stats down pat, what is the percentage of men who are rapists? I mean is it a 100% of us men? I mean I have a pretty fair amount of friends and I’d like to know what percentage of them are rapists? Is it 100%? Is it 1 in 4? Is every man who looks in the mirror looking at a rapist?

NF4ever
NF4ever
10 years ago

Oh dear, NWO. That doesn’t even. I can’t even. That’s not even arithmetic.

If one woman per week is raped in Town X, and reports that rape, there are 52 reported rapes per year. Assuming that these reported rapes make up 10% of the total rapes, that would mean that a grand total of 520 women are raped in Town X per year. Sounds about right, for a town of 25,000 women.

Introducing time makes no sense, unless you account for the flow inward and outward of women. Over 50 years, assuming the annual rate of rapes stays the same, the total rapes in Town X would be around 25,000. But of course, at this point, many women will have moved or grown up and new women will have been introduced into the sample.

If you’re an engineer I’m a monkey’s uncle.

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

@Bee

Let me help clarify the absurdity of the feminist lie.

Since the actual reported sexual assaults comes out to 1 in 1877, to reach the feminist lie of 1 in 4, that would mean every woman would need to be enrolled in college for 469.25 years in order to reach the unreachable star of 1 in 4. And thats only if we barred any new women from enrolling in college.

If we added the gospel number of 90% of sexual assaults being unreported it would take 46.925 years to once again reach the unreachable star. And once again we need to bar any new women from enrolling in college.

Even if the latter scenario of feminist gospel was true. Women enrolling in college at an average age of 19 would be 65.925 years old by the time they obtained their degree; just in time to retire. Feminism is a big fat lie.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
10 years ago

NWO, your innumeracy has been pointed out on these threads time and time again. I realize that you fancy yourself an engineer and think that your manly man brain gives you special mathematical powers but you are really very bad with numbers. You’ve tried this before; providing your, we’ll call it an “interpretation”, of statistical analysis. I am not great with numbers but it usually makes my eye twitch. I can only imagine what it does for the posters who are truly adept. But I digress.

Please stop. Just stop. Don’t throw this kind of “So how many men are rapists?! Huh?!” hissy fit just because you’re wrong. It’s embarrassing, even for you.

Most men aren’t rapists. The vast majority of men are not rapists. But most rapists, regardless of their gender, have multiple victims.

http://www.innovations.harvard.edu/cache/documents/1348/134851.pdf

Holly Pervocracy
10 years ago

NWO, in exactly which fold of your ass did you get 1 in 1877?

I gave you the numbers from my personal experience, and your response was to start foaming gibberish about how you could twist them into absurdity (which you can always do, but does that prove?) what rather than to address the fact that THEY PROVE RAPE IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM AND NOT RARE?

Do you think the people in my ER were liars, or I work in the worst ER in the world, or that I’m a liar, or that ARGHLY BARGLY A FEMINIST SAID THE SKY IS BLUE SO THE SKY IS ORANGE?

Please, answer in barely related incoherent rants.

NF4ever
NF4ever
10 years ago

Holly, the observations you posted about seeing 1 victim in the ER a week are spot on: assuming a 10% report rate, that’s a rate of 1 in 5 in a town of 50,000 with 51% female population.

Absolutely spot on with what we already know to be true. Just thought I’d throw that out there.

Comrade Svilova
10 years ago

@NWO There actually was a study of college aged young men that found that 1 in 20 men will admit to sexual assault if the word “rape” isn’t used when describing specific actions.

http://www.collegenews.com/index.php?/article/college_men_admit_to_commiting_rape_2356263623/

Bee
Bee
10 years ago

Holly, the one in 1877 figure comes from this article, by a man using the self-published rape statistics of three Pittsburgh college campuses to disprove the one in four number.

A representative quote:

“At the University of Pittsburgh, there are roughly 14,800 female students. If their chances of being sexually assaulted are 1-in-4, there should be about 3,700 sexual assaults each year. In 2009, the most recent year for which full statistics are available, Pitt students reported 4.”

Note that one-fourth of 14,800 is 3700. Yes, he thinks that he needs to disprove the idea that one in four women who attend college are raped every single year.

Bee
Bee
10 years ago

I’m sorry, that should have been “the one in 1877 figure comes from this blog post.” It’s not really an article.

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

@Holly Pervocracy

” NWO, in exactly which fold of your ass did you get 1 in 1877?”

I got the number from the fold in Daves ass. He’s the one who provided the site for the actual numbers of reported assaults.
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“Do you think the people in my ER were liars, or I work in the worst ER in the world, or that I’m a liar, or that ARGHLY BARGLY A FEMINIST SAID THE SKY IS BLUE SO THE SKY IS ORANGE?”

And yes, I am calling you a liar. You see I have 2 brothers and 1 sister who work in different hospitals. One of them in Philidelphia, so I hear all the stories. You are a liar.
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NF4ever
“Absolutely spot on with what we already know to be true. Just thought I’d throw that out there.”

Yet the actual numbers tell us a completely different story, yet Holly is spot on. Fanfuckingtastic.
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@Nobinayamu

My numbers are exactly correct. Go to the site Dave provided at the top of the comment section of this page. Tell me how we can reach the feminist goal of 1 in 4 from the actual number of sexual assaults reported for 2009. Because I gotta hear this big ole feminist lie!

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
10 years ago

You know, chuckeedee, the notion that a person who wrote this:

“Actually, just because he was sweet to you, how can the rest of us know he’s not a thug? I wonder if he’d go thump the shit out of someone at your behest, just because that someone said mean words to you? In my language, that’s a thug, of the white-knighting variety. In fact, what you seem to be describing fits the typical thug profile – “thuggish to others but sweet and ever-protective to me.”

Would have the stones to accuse me or anyone of “projecting” is just…
Irony is an overused term. I’m going to go with “deliciously stupid.”

How about this? How about the next time you’re presenting us with one of your classic science-y type posts about all the ways you disapprove of who women choose to date, (you know all those men who aren’t you) you provide your own definitions of “thug” and “idiot” so that we can all be on the same page. You can find the word space for that, right? I mean in between making up shit like “cultural ecosystem” and declaring all women biologically submissive and “dopey” you can find the time.

That way when you completely contradict yourself (see above) a few days later at least one aspect of your argument may maintain some intellectual consistency.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

NWO, I’m terrible with numbers, as are you, but the difference (one of them, anyway) between you and I is that I don’t go proving it by posting innumerate garbage.

Oh, so now your whole family works in hospitals? As what, janitors?

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
10 years ago

NWO, if I read a statistic that says that 1 in 10 Black men will serve time in prison in the U.S. does that mean that if I know ten Black men who have never been in prison they are: 2) lying to me or b) just haven’t gone to prison yet?

Show your work.

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

C’mon gang, go to the site. I wanna hear feminist math. Apparently mine is a failure. It’ll be like those marathons on TV no one watches. I wanna know how we can get those numbers up there to reach our goal of 1 in 4?

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