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Kate Beaton confuses the Reddit Men's Rightsers

 

From Hark, a vagrant. I photoshopped a little.

Hark, a vagrant, as I may have noted many times already, is pretty much the most hilarious comic in the world at the moment.  So recently the comic’s creator Kate Beaton got together with some of her cartoonist pals and did a bunch of cartoons featuring a gang of superheroines called the “STRONG FEMALE CHARACTERS.”

Someone linked to them in Reddit’s Men’s Rights subreddit. Take a look at the comments.  The cartoons seem to have, well, confused the Men’s Rightsers just a little bit.

 

203 replies on “Kate Beaton confuses the Reddit Men's Rightsers”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byronic_hero

The Byronic hero. “mad, bad, and dangerous to know”

The Byronic hero typically exhibits several of the following traits:
Cunning and able to adapt
Cynical
Disrespectful of rank and privilege
Emotionally conflicted, bipolar, or moody
Having a distaste for social institutions and norms
Having a troubled past or suffering from an unnamed crime
Intelligent and perceptive
Jaded, world-weary
Mysterious, magnetic and charismatic
Seductive and sexually attractive
Self-critical and introspective
Self-destructive
Socially and sexually dominant
Sophisticated and educated
Struggling with integrity
Treated as an exile, outcast, or outlaw

Wow, that sounds like Dr. House…

In which case, I totally admit it, I want bad boys! They never exist in real life, but I have a pretty good nice guy 😀

I think a dealbreaker is the smart thing. Coming on and whinging about how women own 65% of wealth and only fuck 10% of men and are general lying, conniving bitches, is not a good way to attract women. This is not the same as being a little bit rude but also intelligent, charming and handsome.

ION: My abusive partner was cheerful, chubby, nerdy and very likable. He wasn’t broody or “bad,” at any point, yet he still almost killed me. And guess what, he wasn’t at all abusive at the start – Funny thing, abusers don’t start out abusing you! It’s almost like you fall in love with someone who treats you well, and then the abuse creeps in, leaving you having to deal with strong feelings and the memory of when things were good… Oh wait, us crazy bitches just don’t know what’s good for us. Sigh.

@Hellkell ty :3 Too bad it got scrolled over to the other screen xD

@Bee I always love it when trolls go all weird about our humour xD Personally I lurve our humour! :3

I’m always a little wondering what these anecdotes are supposed to tell us o_O That WE’RE bad ppl? xD That other ppl are bad ppl and we should shout at them? XD That are part of the female hive mind we should send telepathic txt msgs to the other hot women in the world telling them to date the “correct” ppl? xD (I also think sometimes outside of the anecdotes there’s a lot of projected schadenfreude going on too, where ppl ASSUME that somebody’s b/f/g/f must be a horrible person/bitch and that they’re a “bad boy/girl” simply b/c it’s easier to cast yourself in the role of the loveable loser, than just another person in the great dating history of the universe xD )

Personally, if I like bad boys, I guess Kirbywarp is a bad boy xD Which he so ttlly is xD (also shouldn’t we all be falling in love w/ NWO or the other dishonest/verbally abusive/etc/etc trolls? xD and shouldn’t they all be falling in love w/ me? XD )

I think I’ll stick w/ bad cucumbers and thug parsnips… xD

Ah yes, these stories about Bitches Who Love Jerks always have the shy, unconventional hero she unfairly shuns because, you know, women!

Bit hostile there. Did I hit too close to home? In my experience, women who repeatedly fall for assholes and ignore good guys really, really hate when someone points it out.

Why was the chubby guy in love with her? I mean, she’s a fucked-up broad who has a thing for psychopaths, right?

Because she was otherwise beautiful, smart, and fun to hang out with. Even I liked her. She just had a thing for strong, dominant guys (which is what this guy appeared to be at first, before he turned into an aggressive bully). Neither chubby guy nor I ever did anything to undermine the relationship though. I did talk to the boyfriend a few times about his behaviour and he basically said it was none of my business and I should stay out of it. They eventually broke up after he started hitting her.

Why wasn’t he in love with the chubby girl who he hangs around with and thinks of as ‘just a friend’?

Um… because there wasn’t one? This is not a hypothetical case you know. But FYI, my experience with the so-called ‘chubby girl’ was that her standards are equal or even higher than those of the ‘hot girl’ because she’s looking for someone to raise her social standing. So it might not have helped…

Oh, right: because people you want to fuck ought to have lower standards for sexual partners than you do. /eyeroll

Ok, that just came out of nowhere… too bad a great majority of the women I’ve wanted to fuck (and did) would be considered far from conventionally attractive.

And I’m really tired of people trotting out that terrible xkcd comic. I like to respond with this. 😛

Thanks, filetofswedishfish! Right back atcha! We can both be proud that Ion just don’t get us. That’s gotta be a good thing.

I do. There’s not much to ‘get’. But what there is, is childish and obnoxious. But it pretty much fits with that I’ve seen of the infantilization of Americans in general – from using words like ‘veggies’ or ‘hubby’ among adults, to ‘lolcat speak’ to trying way too hard to be ‘cute’. As I said before, it’s like the Flanders family on meth. Bleah.

I retract what I said earlier about Ion. Apparently, all I did was remind him that he needed to troll harder.

And I’m really tired of people trotting out that terrible xkcd comic.

Wow. If you’re sick of that comic, just IMAGINE how sick I am of people saying shit like women are attracted to dark, brooding assholes, and are repelled by cheerful normal guys?

Cuz 1. It’s largely not true, and 2. It’s true to the same extent that men are also attracted to assholes. And 3. It’s a myth created largely to make men with few redeeming qualities feel better about not being able to bed the hottest women they know, with the side benefits of (a) putting all women as a group on the defensive, and (b) making all women as a group look like the evil alien bitches men with few redeeming qualities would like to pretend they are.

But it pretty much fits with that I’ve seen of the infantilization of Americans in general – from using words like ‘veggies’ or ‘hubby’ among adults, to ‘lolcat speak’ to trying way too hard to be ‘cute’.

Okily dokily, Ion. Wev.

” It’s almost like you fall in love with someone who treats you well, and then the abuse creeps in, leaving you having to deal with strong feelings and the memory of when things were good…”

My ex and I were really good friends, like soulmates, and he was widely considered as a really nice guy. Like, he’s funny and popular and he’s not conventionally good looking. He justified his treatment of me because I dated another guy over him awhile before.

There was never serious abuse imo, but he did insult me a lot, especially quietly in public when other people were there. It was always in public, like he could show off to me that he was untouchable because people liked him, including my friends. They never knew the extent because it was all whispered or sneaking pinches and scratches. Also sometimes I used to say something, try and be funny or whatever, and he would give me this incredulous look and go “What the hell are you talking about? Are you STUPID?” and I would be less hurt than embarrassed in front of other people.

We’re not friends now, but the last time I saw him at a party, after we hadn’t spoken for years, we spent the entire night talking and he was exactly like he had been when we were friends. I still feel like we have a ‘connection’ or something that I don’t want 🙁

Oh btw, if ppl didn’t read it yet (cuz I just read it and I need to promote it xD )

http://johnnypez9.blogspot.com/2011/06/out-of-night.html

Pez has his 3rd Magyc short story out and it’s hilarious xD (and fun! 😀 )

I esp like the exchange between Julia and the flight leader XD “your game is off” XD

Can’t wait for more cameos 😀 (i’m curious about ppl’s interpretations of David, I find his card the most fascinating, maybe cuz it was the one that actually gave me the idea on how to shape the world xD )

Hmm. Since TV Tropes now represent reality, I guess MRA’s ought to stop bitching about the Incompetent Man/Competent Woman thing in sitcoms. After all, if it’s on TV it must be true.

Ion, you’re aware that lots of men are attracted to women who are jerky awful assholes? (I mean, Megan Fox is apparently a bit of a snooty bitch, and that doesn’t stop a lot of guys (and probably even some lesbians) from obsessing over her.) Also, plenty of gay men are attracted to broody dickbags.

No demographic group has a monopoly on poor romantic/sexual judgement.

David, I actually think Megan Fox is pretty cool. I loved the way she talked really frankly about what a sexist asshole Michael Bay was to her, and she has said some really important stuff about bodily autonomy.

Wow, @Ion is going for the old “WAAAH GIRLS- EVEN FUGLY GIRLSS!! ONLY LIKE JERKS” complaint. That’s the best he’s got? Really?

What @Bee said is accurate, that particular whinge is just garbage ‘nice guys’ use to make themselves feel better about women being able to see through their false “nice” exterior.

I have known lots of genuinely nice guys who have female partners. My anecdotal evidence trumps Ion’s TVtropes page.

TVtropes….. LOL!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEJQqUN2buE

….MRAs posting Kate Beaton, meanwhile, is HILARIOUS!

But she walked right past that poor boy with the flower!

Yeah, maybe she was as bad example.

Ion: Awfully widespread for just a myth, though isn’t it? Likes Scots are all cheap? Or back men have huge penes? Or Jews are all moneygrubbing?

I mean those are all widespread beliefs, so they must be true.

Ion, you’re aware that lots of men are attracted to women who are jerky awful assholes? (I mean, Megan Fox is apparently a bit of a snooty bitch, and that doesn’t stop a lot of guys (and probably even some lesbians) from obsessing over her.) Also, plenty of gay men are attracted to broody dickbags.

No demographic group has a monopoly on poor romantic/sexual judgement.

True, but according to commenters here, that just doesn’t happen to women! And if it does, it’s because the asshole actually has a heart of gold. And nice guys are always monsters on the inside. Or something.

Trollin’ MRAs: wow, hostile much? did I hit a nerve? I’ll take a guess and say you weren’t invited to many parties…

Not all fantasy is aspirational. I love reading Stephen Kind novels but I wouldn’t want to live there. Why would romance-based media be any different?

Ion: Awfully widespread for just a myth, though isn’t it? Likes Scots are all cheap? Or back men have huge penes? Or Jews are all moneygrubbing?

I mean those are all widespread beliefs, so they must be true.

Well, they had to start from something, didn’t they? Why do some stereotypes endure and spread but not others? Couldn’t there be a grain of truth in them?

And I’m really tired of people trotting out that terrible xkcd comic. I like to respond with this.

OMG, isn’t that the Onion article that big thinker Marky Mark took as absolutely serious?

When I played Dragon Age II, I had my PC get into a relationship with Anders, which would be about the worst idea ever in real life – but it’s kind of cool in a video game. ‘Cause there’s a difference between fantasy and reality. In fantasy, people like to think they are so unabashedly awesome and caring and powerful that they can magically heal people’s issues and angst – like the male fantasy of rescuing a damsel in distress and then having her love you forevers. In reality, someone usually ends up in the ER and someone else ends up in jail.

Pam: well, it’s at least as serious as the xkcd comic, isn’t it? Funny how feminists and white-knights always pull out the comic, though, but never talk about the article except to dismiss it.

(sorry about the multiple posts, a lot of people keep replying to this stuff.)

Well, they had to start from something, didn’t they? Why do some stereotypes endure and spread but not others? Couldn’t there be a grain of truth in them?

Like the stereotype of all men being “pigs”? But that is just a myth, isn’t it?

David: I’ve never heard of that. That’s just stupid though, and easily proven wrong. Others, not so much.

Pam: eh, not really. After living in campus dorm for 2 years I can definitely see how it started..

Actually I am dating a really nice guy-as in an actual kindhearted good person.

But I am way too attracted to a “bad boy.” Of course badboy is also nice, charming, smart, talented, good looking, exactly as fat as I like them, sensible, responsible, caring, able to work, does work, really cool parents to deal with and all.

Why is he a bad boy? He is a Republican!

Anyway, Ion-your female friend was nice and you like her as a person and all that but she ignored the chubby guy because he was not what she found attractive in his personality? It seems that she had no issues with the weight-she had issues with him not being strong/dominating. Are nice females not allowed to have preferences? You yourself admitted no one knew this strong/dominating type was actually an abuser from the get go-are you saying we should start assuming any guy like that is abusive? Now that would be misandrist and quite frankly, wrong.

Did the chubby guy ever even talk to her about his feelings? Or did he just do the stereotypical thing of standing at the side and never ever letting her know how he feels but get mad she dates all these other guys? Since when are women supposed to be mindreaders?

True, but according to commenters here, that just doesn’t happen to women! And if it does, it’s because the asshole actually has a heart of gold. And nice guys are always monsters on the inside. Or something.

Yus that is exactly what ppl here have been saying. xDDD

“Cunning and able to adapt” Check on that one, if I do say so myself.
“Cynical” At times.
“Disrespectful of rank and privilege” Yes, to a very high degree
“Emotionally conflicted, bipolar, or moody” Occasionally
“Having a distaste for social institutions and norms” Yes
“Having a troubled past or suffering from an unnamed crime” Troubled past? Check
“Intelligent and perceptive” Intelligent, okay. Perceptive, not when it comes to humans socializing.
“Jaded, world-weary” Yes
“Mysterious, magnetic and charismatic” Idk if I am mysterious, not sure I would count as magnetic or charismatic
“Seductive and sexually attractive” Hmmm, I suppose not.
“Self-critical and introspective” Yes.
“Self-destructive” Not so often anymore.
“Socially and sexually dominant” Generally, yes.
“Sophisticated and educated” I am educated, but probably not sophisticated.
“Struggling with integrity” Not so much.
“Treated as an exile, outcast, or outlaw” Yes, you might be amazed how difficult it is for me not to break the law at certain times if I spend long periods of time in a public space (using the “wrong” restroom is a misdemeanor, going into the women’s when it seems like I am being read as a guy is risky).

OMG, Ami was right (as usual), I am a bad boy! But, wait, I have never abused any of my partners and am really strict about getting affirimitive consent! Does that mean that bad boys are not automatically abusers? Also, what do you call it when two bad boys get together (Ianto and Jack Harkness both have several of the above characteristics, for example)? Unless the unnamed crime is an act of violence (particularly an act of violence against a partner), it does look like someone could meet ever single one of these and not be an abuser or violent. Also, bad boys cannot be sociopaths if they meet the “struggling with integrity” or “self-critical and introspective” criteria.

Pam: eh, not really. After living in campus dorm for 2 years I can definitely see how it started..

You’re not referring to just general slovenliness, are you? Because when I’ve heard that phrase stated (and when I’ve heard it, it’s most often been uttered by men), that’s not quite the subject of which they were speaking.

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