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Lara Logan Redux: More victim blaming, rape denial and rape apologetics from In Mala Fide

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TRIGGER WARNING: Graphic descriptions of sexual assault; rape apologetics.

Journalist Lara Logan recently appeared on 60 Minutes, giving the harrowing details of the brutal sexual and physical assault she sustained at the hands of a mob while covering the protests for (60 Minutes) in Cairo this past February.

When news of the assault first hit the internet, you may recall, it seemed to open the floodgates of misogyny and racism. Looking at one Yahoo News story on the attack, I found hundreds of vile comments – some blaming Logan for her victimization, or doubting it ever happened; others using the assault as an excuse to spout hateful filth about Arabs and Muslims in general.  In the “manosphere” itself, the reaction was predictably appalling, with many MRAs not only mocking and belittling the victim but using the case to push their own retrograde agenda. (See my post here for more details.)

Even within this context, the reaction of blogger Ferdinand Bardamu of In Mala Fide stood out for its sheer nastiness; I wrote about it here. In his first post on the subject, Bardamu mocked the victim, declared that “she had it coming,” then suggested that she probably hadn’t been raped at all. Based on no evidence whatsoever, he speculated that she may have just  “made the whole thing up to garner attention and sympathy from the weepy, chivalrous masses. “

Bardamu has now used the occasion of Logan’s new CBS interview as an excuse to mock the victim again — calling her, among other things, an “idiot,” a “moron,” a “strumpet” and a “fake-breasted tart” — and to repeat his contention that she wasn’t “really” raped at all. Indeed, he says, the interview has “vindicated” his skepticism about the rape. Why? Because in her interview of 60 Minutes, Logan had spoken about being penetrated by the hands of her attackers. Bardamu evidently finds this highly risable, and somehow manages to convince himself that Logan was merely groped:

But seriously, “they raped [you] with their hands”?

Look, I’m no scholar, but even with feminists’ constant re-defining of rape, I know for a fact that rape has to involve a penis. Specifically, an penis entering an orifice without invitation. If you didn’t get a dick forced into your mouth, vagina or asshole, you didn’t get raped.

Logan and CBS’ deliberate vagueness about the “sexual assault” back in February was no doubt calculated to make people imagine the worst possible scenario that could happen. A line of hairy, creepy men pulling a train on her. Triple penetration at all times, the hairy sleazy monkey-men shooting jizz in every hole in her body, donkey punching her every time she tried to resist. In reality, she probably got spit on a few times, had her butt slapped, and had her silicone tits felt up. That’s not rape, you strumpet, that’s Spring Break in Cancun!

It’s hard to even know where to start with something this appalling. First of all, as a few dissenters pointed out in the comments on Bardamu’s post, it is still rape – “real” rape – when you are penetrated with fingers, bottles, or any other foreign object. When Abner Louima was brutally sodomized with the handle a bathroom plunger by New York city cops, that was rape, real rape. And what Logan says happened to her was real rape too.

As for the rest, I think the only thing to do is to contrast Bardamu’s words with Logan’s account of what happened to her, taken from a transcript of the interview.

As Logan tells the story of the assault, she and her crew were caught in the midst of a mob. Men grabbed her, groped her, and literally tore the clothes from her body. As she describes it:

I feel them tearing at my clothing. I think my shirt, my sweater was torn off completely. My shirt was around my neck. I felt the moment that my bra tore. They tore the metal clips of my bra. They tore those open. … [T]hey literally just tore my pants to shreds. And then I felt my underwear go.

Some men began beating her with sticks and others, with their hands, penetrated her. In this and the following passages I’ve bolded the statements dealing specifically with the sexual aspect of the assault. Logan again:

I didn’t even know that they were beating me with flagpoles and sticks and things, because I couldn’t even feel that. Because I think of the sexual assault, was all I could feel, was their hands raping me over and over and over again. …

They were tearing my body in every direction at this point, tearing my muscles. And they were trying to tear off chunks of my scalp … not trying to pull out my hair, holding big wads of it, literally trying to tear my scalp off my skull. And I thought, …  I am going to die here.

This assault lasted 25 minutes. Logan says:

[T]hat’s when I said, “Okay, it’s about staying alive now. I have to just surrender to the sexual assault. What more can they do now? They’re inside you everywhere.” So the only thing to fight for, left to fight for, was my life.

Ultimately, Logan was rescued and rushed to the hospital. Logan continues:

I stayed there for four days, which was hard. My muscles were so unbelievably sore, because they were literally stretched from the mob trying to tear my limbs off my body. My joints, every joint in my body was distended. And then they, the more intimate injuries, the injuries, the tearing inside. And the mark of their hands, their fingers all over my body, cuts and everything you could imagine. But no broken bones.

This horrific account bears very little resemblance, it hardly needs to be said, to Spring Break in Cancun.

Naturally, a number of the commenters on Bardamu’s  site manage if anything to be even more vile than Bardamu himself.

McGlothin suggests that Logan probably enjoyed the experience:

It’s not impossible that she went all the way to orgasm when the testosterone filled raging men fingered and groped her. That would explain the vagueness of her description: she was way enjoying it so much that she could not remember precisely what happened except that they molested her manually.

Attila concurs:

This gynbot just wants attention, and is playing the “Arabs are animals” routine for brownie points. She probably got groped a little, in a way that she has never been groped before, and she may be reacting to the fact that she may have gotten a thrill out of it.

Commander Shepard throws some racism and “slut”-shaming into the mix:

She was raped by their hands? LOL. A pretty blond like Logan probably spent her youth getting gang banged by alphas. In this case the men were beneath her (dirty sand niggers) but even they didn’t penetrate. She’s probably more upset about her bruised ego than her bruised body.

Bardamu wrote his post, I should note,  before the interview aired, and before anything beyond a few quotes from it had been published. But it is telling that he has not bothered to go back and watch or read the full account. Not that it would matter; he made up his mind on the case a long time ago, and I doubt that anything could change it. Like many in the “manosphere,” Bardamu and his fans see only what they want to see, and use their imagination – and their prejudices — to fill in the rest.

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Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
11 years ago

Alphas are also hot, that’s why they’re alphas. They don’t HAVE to be jerks, but 99% of them choose to be- same goes for the bitches.

cynickal
cynickal
11 years ago

cynickal, you can’t simply quantify that shit.

Have you tried http://www.statsoutofmyass.com ? You seem to not actually have any evidence to back up your arguments. “Because I say so!” sadly isn’t an argument no matter how often your mother uses it to get you to take out the garbage.

Most of the others are manginas and might as well be women because they support them in everything.

So if women support a man’s actions it’s because he’s a “mangina” not because it’s the proper and decent thing to do. Got it.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
11 years ago

Is it not interesting that much has been made of Obama’s looks? No he’s not a young stud, but for his age Obama’s pretty good-looking. It wouldn’t seem to matter in terms of his abilities, so why bring it up? Because that’s the only way the bitches respect him, they don’t care about his oratory skills.

Kes
Kes
11 years ago

Okay, sooo hot people are, in your opinion, good in bed? Cause I gotta tell ya, that has *never* been my experience. I mean, I’ve never fucked a hot woman, so I wouldn’t know about that, but good-looking Game-playing PUA/Fratboy/Athlete types, in my experience: TERRIBLE lovers. No appreciation for their partner AT ALL.

Gender Queer folk are much better at teh sexy times. Which brings me back to my original point: Why the hell would anyone want to sleep with these “alpha” creatures?

mediumdave
mediumdave
11 years ago

Obama is no doubt an alpha alpha, but this does not stop him from also being a mangina.

So I’ll ask again: What is a mangina? If they have it so great, why would you not want to be one?

And Hugo Schwyzer? He’s an instructor at a junior college. He’d be an obscure figure if MRA’s hadn’t labeled him as Public Enemy #1. He’s probably tickled pink at all the attention. He’s like the Saul Alinsky of feminism.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
11 years ago

Again, for most of today’s entitled bitches, men are for status as much as actual sex. So I think they would be willing to overlook an alpha’s sexual incompetence.

Joe
Joe
11 years ago

> You can honestly tell me you’ve know fat (and I mean fat, not just above a size women who can get relationships with alphas regularly? I don’t buy it.

I know fat women who have lots of sex with people they want to have sex with. Can’t see the downside there, for any of the people involved.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
11 years ago

A mangina is just a male feminist/female supremacist. Manginas don’t necessarily have it great, it’s just they do if they’re alphas. Obama is successful because of his alpha status, not his mangina status.

Why do you think the MRAs labeled Schwyzer Public Enemy #1? He has actual power as an alpha (proving my system) and he’s used his alpha status to push is mangina agenda, which is diametrically opposed to the MRA ideology.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
11 years ago

You mean they have sex with omegas. Thanks, I thought so.

Bee
Bee
11 years ago

MRAL: Re. women never getting turned down or rejected or made fun of.

You’re wrong. Just that. I don’t know how else to put it. Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.

I am not supersexy, but I definitely have women friends who are, and I will tell you that to a one they have all been rejected, turned down, heartbroken, ignored, cheated on,out down, dismissed out of hand, let down not so gently, or broken up with–more than once. For all sorts of different reasons. I repeat: This is universal. Perhaps you, with your limitations, bad attitude, bad self-esteem, and bad view on women, have had more than your share of it.

Also: Hugo Schwyzer is your example of an alpha mangina? Jesus. I thought alpha was based on handsomeness or something. Don’t get me wrong: I’m not saying he’s heinous. But if women are slobbering all over him (isn’t he married?), it’s likely because he’s awesome, smart, and understanding–contrasted with your narcissism and compassionlessness–not because he’s some superhot lovegod.

As for the fat chicks not being sexy: I have got stories for you. MAN, have I got stories for you. Not that you’d believe them, but really. I have been friends with that sexy, awesome, confident fat woman, and it is amazing to watch what some confidence and a fun, sensual personality will do to the people around her.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
11 years ago

I don’t believe it.

Graham
Graham
11 years ago

“That’s a question for higher-level MRA scholars.”

This quote settles it: MRAL is definitely a troll, Poe, satirist, whatever you want to call it. Nobody could put those words in that order and mean it.

Jenny Dreadful
Jenny Dreadful
11 years ago

I like MRAL’s thing about how hard it is to get rejected by women every day. Like, who hits on a different lady every day? I meet someone I want to approach like, what, once a month or something? If you’re hitting on women and getting rejected on the daily, you’re probably doing so in a creepy, weird way. You’re not being rejected because you’re not an “alpha”, it’s because you’re a creep and a weirdo who no sane woman would ever want to fuck.

I also really enjoy how men’s rights activists never, ever consider that one great way to meet ladies is to try to make themselves more attractive to the people that they find attractive. Blasphemy! It’s so much easier to create a fictional social hierarchy in order to reinforce your self-pitying ways.

wtf
wtf
11 years ago

@Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant
I like the way you use a tragic incident about how women are still VERY CLEARLY more oppressed than men to trumpet men’s rights. WAHHH WOMEN DON’T TREAT MEN WELL. What the fuck?

Well guess what, men don’t treat women well either, you crazy piece of shit.

briget
briget
11 years ago

okay so if women as a whole are responsible for the women who did whatever it is that has the MRAssholes so pissed off, then men as a whole are responsible for the men who emotionally, physically, mentally and sexually abused me for 18 years.
note, I don’t believe that even close to all or even most men are abusive douchecanoes. I’m just trying to show how much that logic makes sense and why bardamu is plain flat out wrong and unacceptably misogynistic

dreamhouse
dreamhouse
11 years ago

@MRAL My first boyfriend had a congenital defect in one eye. He is a lovely man. We were together for 5 years and during that time he got hit on by men and women a fair bit. Why? Because he was kind, thoughtful, interested in other people and funny. Your ‘deformed eye’ isn’t the reason most women are rejecting you. I would guess that it’s because you come across as an angry and nasty person who assumes women shouldn’t be able to say no to you and if they do they’re a bitch anyway.

In my sexual history since then I’ve slept with a few people who have had similar physical characteristics. I was attracted to them because they were interesting, funny, kind, charming, compassionate etc. etc. Maybe if you want to improve your chances with women you could try to work on some of these characteristics.

ozymandias
11 years ago

I’m a woman who’s reasonably hot, and I’ve been rejected all over the fucking place.

Also, I’ve never fucked an alpha. Cute beta boys for me, plz. Actually, maybe omegas, given how I keep fucking virgins and all.

Johnny Pez
11 years ago

OK, I’ve got it. FSM help me, I actually understand what MRAL thinks is going on:

The Greek Letter Hierarchy thing is a conspiracy theory. All women are in on the conspiracy. The goal of the conspiracy is to limit access to high-level vagina (aka “bitches”) to an elite group of highly-attractive men. This conspiracy explains why low-level men like MRAL (aka “omegas”) are unable to have sex with high-level women, and are condemned to the sexual gulag of low-level women (aka “fat chicks”).

Since the conspiracy is being maintained by the world’s women, the only hope of ending it is for the MRM to overturn the secret gynarchy and create an egalitarian sexual utopia where hot babes are willing to bang non-hot men like MRAL.

How about it, MRAL? Have I figured it out? Is that how the world works?

ScareCrow P-Man
11 years ago

Rape – it sure does bring up the ratings doesn’t it Dave.

Did you buy one of those sex-robots yet?

ScareCrow P-Man
11 years ago

P.M.S. @Ozmandiadismam whatever.

If you are so “hot”, why no picture of yourself in your profile?

HA!

Lady Victoria von Syrus
Lady Victoria von Syrus
11 years ago

MRAL, you never answered my question – how would MRA philosophy benefit a woman like Lara Logan?

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
11 years ago

Well johnny, it’s not a CONSCIOUS conspiracy, but various social structures that form the situation. But you’re close enough.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
11 years ago

A mangina is just a male feminist/female supremacist. Manginas don’t necessarily have it great, it’s just they do if they’re alphas. Obama is successful because of his alpha status, not his mangina status.

Why do you think the MRAs labeled Schwyzer Public Enemy #1? He has actual power as an alpha (proving my system) and he’s used his alpha status to push his mangina agenda, which is diametrically opposed to the MRA ideology.

Leum
Leum
11 years ago

MRAL, have you left high school and college? I ask because your idea of who does and doesn’t get laid seems to have more grounding in high school society than college, and absolutely no grounding outside of either.

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