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>That’s not funny: Prison rape jokes

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Looking back through older posts on the OneY subreddit on Reddit, a relatively new and very promising subreddit devoted to men’s issues, I ran across a surprisingly civil and illuminating discussion of prison rape jokes. “Scarletbanner” opened the discussion by asking why there is a double standard with regard to these jokes:

As someone [who’s] majoring in Criminal Justice, I hear comments when the topic of women being raped that it’s “fucked up shit”, yet when the subject turns to prison rape, it’s a massive joke… from derogatory comments regarding sexual preference to “don’t drop the soap”. Between 43,000-140,000+ are raped each year ffs, with men (especially homosexuals) as the largest targeted group…

The typical Men’s Rights take on this is that there’s a double standard “because nobody gives a shit about men,” as EddieVanHelsing put it in a comment there. This explanation doesn’t take us very far, given that women are also raped in prison, and that people make jokes about that too.

Others in the discussion offered more incisive takes on the issue. puffinmuffin pointed out that

the problem is NO ONE CARES about people in jail. No one gives a shit about prisoner’s rights. It really isn’t an issue about raping, it’s an issue about the fucked up system that no one cares enough to fix. Conditions in a lot of jails are downright abhorrent. Unsanitary environments, abuse, horrid bureaucracy … But no one cares. They think, “Oh, well, they’re criminals so they deserve whatever.”

Archythearchivist, a self-described “XX, card carrying, baby eatin’ feminist” suggested that the double standard

is perhaps more indicative of the way that masculinity is viewed. Male rape is funny (to some) because it subverts common narratives of male virility and roles. It’s a “joke” where the main idea is that the world is a certain way, and only certain less masculine men would be raped. … It bases itself on a world that supposedly does not exist, at least not for “real” men. … These jokes should be considered as tasteless and hateful as any other rape joke.

But perhaps the most thoughtful comment came from AlphaCygni, who noted that there had recently been a post on Reddit

from a guy who had been sexually abused in a juvenile detention facility. Apparently there was systematic abuse and rape of young boys within this facility. What struck me the most about the [discussion of this on Reddit] was the number of individuals asking the victim why he didn’t just bite the dicks of his attackers. It was a situation so far out of their mindset, they couldn’t imagine how a person can be made to feel so powerless and scared that their primary focus is on staying alive rather than avoiding emasculation. Rape as a real possibility is something that just never seriously occurs to most men and, since they never think about, they can’t place themselves in the victim’s shoes. …

All that being said, I do know some women who joke about rape. I know a rape victim who makes rape jokes. I know other rape victims who can’t stand them. I think if more people could experience what it’s like to be the object of unwanted, intense, sexual attraction by someone who is more powerful than you, there would be less rape jokes overall except by those who enjoy gallows humor. I think that if more men were allowed to openly share their rape experiences and men were to listen to these poor individuals and try to put themselves in their shoes instead of asking how they could allow such a thing to happen, or discounting their masculinity, prison rape jokes wouldn’t be seen widely as funny.

The whole comment is worth reading; this is only an excerpt.

Prison rape is a disgrace, and jokes about it don’t help. Because most of those in prison are male, it primarily affects men. But women in prison are more than twice as likely to be raped or abused by other inmates than men. And, as Scarletbanner alluded to in the comment that started off the discussion, gays (and transsexuals) face a much higher risk of rape in prison.

I’m preparing a “further reading” post on prison rape, but in the meantime if you’re looking for more information on the subject, I suggest you start with the fact sheets on the web site of Just Detention International, a human rights advocacy group working to stop sexual abuse in detention facilities worldwide; the pictures I used to illustrate this post come from a media campaign by the group.

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Cold
11 years ago

>So this is your idea of a joke about women being raped in prison? Or did you actually mean this?PROTIP: Just because YOU get certain results at the top of the list for a certain search on Google doesn't mean everyone else does. Google's algorithms take your location into account, and there is a big, big, world out there.Here's an idea, how about you stop stalling for time with Google searches that go nowhere and either give me an actual link to a site that contains jokes about women being raped in prison, or admit that you were talking out of your ass.

Eoghan
11 years ago

>Im not aware of rape of women in prison jokes as a cultural norm either, if it was there wouldnt be a disagreement over whether it is or not. The answer would be there for all to see.And I dont think female prison rapes are the sort of teeth knocked out gang rapes that you will find in male prisons, women are housed in much better facilities than male prisoners are.Americas war on drugs and feminism war on family and feminist jurisprudences erosion of civil, legal and human rights has lead to a very serious problems for young, particularly black men in america.

bishopsinister
11 years ago

>David is right! He's not mocking anyone! I mean if he was mocking male victims of prison rape he'd do something tacky, like show a picture of a bar of soap, but Dave would never to that.Random Brother

David Futrelle
11 years ago

>RB, the bar of soap, as indicated by the caption, and by the text on the soap, was part of a media campaign by the group Stop Prisoner Rape, which is now the group Just Detention. It was designed to get people to think twice before making prison rape jokes. As for the lesbian prison jokes:El Dorado officials seek details of double killing – Topix19 posts – 7 authors – Last post: Jul 22, 2008I hope she gets her skanky ass beat in prison by some bull dyke. I hope she suffers like she has made the family of these two innocent women …www.topix.com/forum/city/…ca/T3AQV8K0TH6U0O3DP -Rubio: Republican alternative not 'all that complicated' – CNN …Aug 28, 2010… Obama and Pelosi sharing a prison cell after January, or Pelosi in an all female prison being pleasured by her bull dyke base. …politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/…/rubio-republican-alternative-not-all-that-complicated/ – Paris Hilton ordered back to jail – The Superficial – Because You …Paris Hilton has been ordered back to jail in Lynwood and will serve out her … the 300lb bull dyke name Laverne wanted “Tinkerbell” to be. …www.thesuperficial.com/paris_hilton_back_in_jail-06-2007 -Lori Drew Jury Nears Verdict on Three Charges, Struggles With …Nov 25, 2008 … the cows in the prison she's going to are going to give this CUNT what she deserves. hope a bull dyke makes her like a fucking hell …www.wired.com/threatlevel/2008/11/noverdict/ Girl gets Ambushed and Beatdown – Fight Videos – GorillaFights.comI hope they go to prison and get backed into a corner by some huge bull dyke who smacks them around. smokyman (942 days ago) …www.gorillafights.com › Girl Fights t r u t h o u t | Lawsuit Filed Against Gonzales & DOJ OfficialsI'd love to see Monica Goody-two-shoes share a prison cell with some bull dyke. I grit my teeth every time I see a rerun of her …www.truth-out.org/article/lawsuit-filed-against-gonzales-doj-officials – Paris Hilton's new Reality Series: 'Simpleton in Jail'Apr 19, 2007 … Sources say that Paris is very worried about going to jail. … middle or about sharing a cell with Bertha, the prison's alpha bull dyke. …www.xomba.com/paris_hiltons_new_reality_series_simpleton_in_jail -http://bgobsession.com/showthread.php?t=17489THE WEEKLY VICE: Jessica Langford Was Naked And Drunk Behind The …Sep 8, 2009 … She should get a light sentence, maybe six months in prison. However that will be enough for a bull dyke to latch onto her and convert her …www.theweeklyvice.com/…/jessica-langford-was-naked-and-drunk.html Lindsay Lohan Jail-Time Likely To Be Fraction Of SentenceJul 6, 2010 … I hear those bull dykes in jail are VERY EXCITED about your comin' to play with them! Show 'em your stuff girl!! cager97: Hey Lindsay. …www.huffingtonpost.com/…/lindsay-lohan-jail-time-l_n_637194.html Pink's Ass Is A Gift / iGossipOct 9, 2009 … I'm not a fan of the ****ty prison tattoos, if she's not careful some massive bull dyke is going to make her it's bitch. …igossip.com/gossip/Pink_s_Ass_Is_A_Gift/983865

Cold
11 years ago

>Hoping someone gets raped in prison isn't a joke, it's a wish.I have yet to see ANY movie or TV show (besides Family Guy, bravo Seth MacFarlane) where women being raped in prison or elsewhere is a laughing matter. Your suggestion that "people make jokes about that too" falls flat on its face if all you can find is a couple of random comments. Most of your examples were wishes or warnings, only a couple of them qualify as jokes.

Tec
Tec
11 years ago

>@Cold There are plenty of women-being-raped jokes period. Men-being-raped jokes usually are prison jokes since that's (at least perceived by popular culture) where men get raped.Here's a "great" thread on the subject of rape jokes:http://www.tribalwar.com/forums/archive/t-387483.htmlAnd when someone mentioned a real rape victim, look at the comments:"Rape is so not cool :(My g/f was raped….now i am sad.""rebeltorumble what she won't tell you is she enjoyed it""she misses that rough cock in hersemen dripping out of herunderwear pulled down to her anklesask herIts not rape if you like it…""she was probably asking for it"and so on…The people who make rape jokes are rape apologists and/or rapists themselves. Period. Melissa at Shakesville has done over 50 posts about the subject of rape jokes in: "Rape is Hilarious". http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2010/08/rape-is-hilarious-part-53-in-ongoing.htmlKate at Shapely Prose posted on the comments to Melissa's original post (I think they were deleted/banned), such gems as:"◦The only tragedy is that a bullet didn’t rip through your brainstem after you were used for your one and only purpose in this world. You should consider yourself lucky that some man finds a hideous troll like yourself rape-able.""Feminazi’s like you are ruining this country, ride a fucking bike you fucking moon of Jupiter. P.S. whoever raped you could have just waited at the exit of a bar at 3am and gotten it consenually without the beached whale-like “struggle” you probably gave. What a shit load of fuck." http://kateharding.net/2007/05/16/let-me-save-you-the-trouble-i-know-im-a-fat-cunt-and-ive-already-been-raped/

Eoghan
11 years ago

>TecThere is a double standard when it comes to male victims of rape.

Tec
Tec
11 years ago

>@Eoghan"There is a double standard when it comes to female victims of rape."

Eoghan
11 years ago

>em no Tec, you make no sense and you are doing the rape apologist thing, rape of females is viewed as the most serious crime there is even though its not, and its also the most publicized. Rape of men is still in the closet. There is a double standard when it comes to female victims of rape that works in the favour of female victims of rape.

Tec
Tec
11 years ago

>I'm just parroting back what you say. I said that before I was going to do that. Try reading. But BTW, there is a clear double standard:MRAs think rape against women can't happen at all (because all women lie/ it's not really rape/insert rape myth here)MRAs think rape against men is a serious crime that requires more attentionSeems rather like a double standard to me…And I'm not a rape apologist. Fuck you, I'm not the one going "oh but all rapes are false allegations!" In fact, I think you specifically said something to that affect. Yes, rape against men is a horrible crime that needs more attention. But so is rape against women. Rape culture is so pervasive throughout our society it's unnerving. "rape of females is viewed as the most serious crime there is even though its not" Nice trivializing. Hy-po-crite. Have you ever even been the victim of a violent crime? Who are you to make that judgement of what's the worst? How fucking entitled is that? Not everyone thinks as you. (No, really, it's true!) So don't make dumbass assumptions about what's the "worst" crime is, because different people have different views. The real truth is rape isn't considered a serious crime by many people. Want proof? Go troll your MRA friends' sites.

David Futrelle
11 years ago

>Cold, that last post? Over the line. It's gone now.

Cold
11 years ago

>Which part was over the line? The rape Tourette's observation or the Star Wars reference? Don't worry about any DMCA complaints; comparisons to Star Wars characters have long been established as fair use.

Cold
11 years ago

>"The real truth is rape isn't considered a serious crime by many people. Want proof? Go troll your MRA friends' sites."Ok, let's do that. Hmm, what does the False Rape Society site have to say about rape?"We know that false reports are more frequent than for any other SERIOUS CRIME[emphasis mine], and this casts doubt on the claim that women are reluctant to report rape."http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2009/11/there-are-many-fraudulent-reports-of.htmlGee Tec, looks like my MRA friends DO think rape is a serious crime.

typeemedy
typeemedy
11 years ago

hello! somebody maybe use google?

[URL=http://google.com]google[/URL]

Mark
Mark
5 years ago

@David

“But women in prison are more than twice as likely to be raped or abused by other inmates than men.”

So women in prison are more than twice as likely to rape or abuse other female inmates?

Do we have any links to provide the evidence for this?

I’m not saying that your unsupported assertion is necessarily wrong, but when I hear stats like that, I like to know where the source of this information (or possibly disinformation) comes from.

And if this information is true, are we to conclude that women are more prone to violence than men?

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

Did Mark seriously necro a six-year-old post for that? Bloody hell.

kupo
kupo
5 years ago

I think that’s a new avatar he’s generated, too, which means yet another sock account. Can’t just go your own way, can you, Mark?

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

Same Mark, or no? Whatever, apparently Mark doesn’t realize that there are usually male corrections officers working at women’s prisons.

PeeVee the Sarcastic
PeeVee the Sarcastic
5 years ago

We can conclude you’re disingenuous, Mark, and rape jokes still aren’t funny, even 6 years after this was posted.

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

Maybe Mark is that Eoghan commenter you can see if you scroll up. It’s my understanding from perusing the archives that he was banned and then caught socking many, many times.

Viscaria
Viscaria
5 years ago

Links on the very next fucking post, Mark. Of course, they’re a bit outdated, since we’re 6 years into the archives.

Mark
Mark
5 years ago

Thanks for all your surprisingly hostile posts.

“Links on the very next fucking post Mark”

Why so rude to someone who just asked a question?

Didn’t David F himself say that most trolls become very quickly abusive?

If there was a link to the study on the next post, then how about just pasting in the link instead of being abusive?

Is this the way you treat everybody who comes into this site asking for clarification?

How would you feel if you logged into a site and asked for information and somebody swore in their answer to you?

I actually thought that this might be a forum for genuine discussion, but you guys act more like a lynch mob.

I can only imagine the response I’d get if I’d actually said something offensive instead of just asking for some backing evidence in support of an assertion.

Goodbye, crazy inmates I will leave you alone in your echo chamber ready to pounce on the next unsuspecting victim foolish enough to expect actual non abusive dialog here.

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
5 years ago

Dude, you totally don’t sound like a troll at all. /s

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