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Thread for Hostile Visitors to Endlessly Rehash the Issues They Have With Feminist Research or Whatever

Hey, hostile visitors! Do you have an opinion about, for example, Mary Koss’ rape research? Do you want to discuss it even though the topic has not actually come up by itself in any of the threads and none of my recent posts really have much to do with the specifics of anyone’s rape research? Well, from now on you can discuss it here with anyone who wishes to follow you to this thread.

Added bonus: If you continue to try to discuss it in other threads you’ll be banned!

This also applies to future derailers riding hobbyhorses of their own having nothing to do with Koss.

Happy discussing!

Note: If you wish to discuss the topics at hand, you know, topics directly related to my posts and/or to what other people are discussing and that aren’t, you know, personal hobbyhorses of yours that involve long screeds and various things that you’ve probably already cut and pasted into the comments sections of various other websites until you were banned from them for endless derailing and general asswipery, feel free to remain in the original threads.

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Kittehserf
Kittehserf
12 years ago

I knew precious little about them (still do, really) and at first was “WTF?” when I heard about some of their activities OS. It didn’t seem to gell with an animal rights group.

If they would kill pets given a chance … they’re my enemies.

Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

Yeah it isn’t just one I’ll thought campaign, that could be forgivable. They seem to firmly believe that sex sells.

I mean…

“human” (women) meat

save the whales

The infamous lettuce bra. About a million “I’d go naked than wear fur ads” — almost/completely women.

They routinely compare women to animals. Not people, which I could understand considering their message, but women.

Also, fat shaming.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

I wish I could find the interview with the guy who was feeding the stray cats that they rounded up and euthanized. Poor guy was heartbroken. He trusted them and they betrayed him.

Not nearly as badly as they betrayed their own cause, though.

Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

Kitteh…not given the chance…they have. Something like 90% of the animals in their “shelters” never come back out. They’re against pet ownership at the cost of the animals.

Which is about as animal rights activist as the MRM is about men’s rights.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

Seriously, Kittehs, people have found dumpsters full of dead cats and dogs outside their shelters. They’re horrible.

Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

And let’s not forget these other gems — http://adland.tv/content/petas-top-five-most-offensive-and-most-sexist-ads

Fur trim (on your underwear) is unattractive.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

(Dumping bodies like that is a public health risk too, in addition to being callous. These is literally nothing good about these people.)

archaeoholmes
archaeoholmes
12 years ago

I’m not handwaving it at all. I acknowledge it totally. It’s hard for me. I have been seriously appalled about the condition of animals we eat since I was a kid. I joined Animal Lib Australia, went to demos, signed and disseminated petitions, wrote letters, argued with friends and colleagues. Nothing changes. The radio today was telling me about the torture animals are subjected to that Australia live exports to Egypt, and it is more horrible than you can imagine. I’m a feminist too, and I hate the objectification of women’s bodies. But when PETA annoy enough to discuss it (and I don’t mean the sexual campaigns), for me that’s something, because it’s an atrocity that’s disgusted me my whole life. I hate the porno campaigns, but I love them for making people remember.

Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

…and I am in love with that site…

http://adland.tv/content/peta-cages-naked-pregnant-lady-mothers-day

See, what PETA don’t seem to get is that society as a whole couldn’t really care less about women’s welfare, so showing women in exploitative or abusive situations to try and encourage us to care about animal welfare really isn’t a very effective strategy. In fact, their imagery is often very similar to that found in some genres of porn, hardly well known for encouraging the viewer to empathise with the women involved.
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Naked women, even dead ones, are stock images in our media; what shocks is not the alluded to mistreatment of animals, but PETA’s complete disregard for women.

Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

…what non-porno campaigns? That aren’t patently silly, like that spider stunt.

Because seriously, fighting for better treatment of animals // not eating them is hard enough, doing it and being met with “you aren’t one of those PETA people are you?” Is just fucking aggravating.

Pissing people off might get you remembered, but there really is such a thing as bad press.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

But when PETA annoy enough to discuss it (and I don’t mean the sexual campaigns), for me that’s something, because it’s an atrocity that’s disgusted me my whole life. I hate the porno campaigns, but I love them for making people remember.

I cannot even express how spitting mad this makes me. I’m going to try to shut up now before I say something that forces David to ban me.

Misogyny is not OK just because it gets attention. You can’t save one group of living creatures by shitting on another group.

archaeoholmes
archaeoholmes
12 years ago

Yeah, I know, you’re right. I have to ask – are you someone who fights for animals rights? It’s just that I have been doing it for a long time and it feels like pushing shit uphill.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

For the record, though? I’m not “annoyed”. I’m angry.

archaeoholmes
archaeoholmes
12 years ago

Cassandra, I’m not saying sexually exploitive campaigns are okay. I don’t believe that at all.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

Oh no you don’t. I am not getting into an “are you enough of an animal activist to be allowed to be angry about PETA’s misogyny and shitty behavior” discussion with you.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

BTW, I already listed two animal rights groups that are not PETA. There are others. They are not the only option.

Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

1) the ends never justify the means
2) people are ends in and of themselves (I get that they use employees and volunteers, but forcing people to view naked women in public would not be okay in any other context, and frankly, I don’t see how they manage to pull this shit off without violating indecency laws)
3) I already had one swearing fit tonight, I’m also not going to discuss this in any depth

Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

They are the most well known, but why? Because they put naked women on display. Not really something I want to be associated with.

archaeoholmes
archaeoholmes
12 years ago

No, you shouldn’t accept misogynist campaigns because you believe in animal rights. I’m not saying that either. I’m just saying I’m conflicted because animal rights is something that is important to me.I believe it’s a terrible atrocity. It’s hard for me to condemn PETA, not because they do anything that is good, but because they keep the public conversation going, and there aren’t many high-profile alternatives. I didn’t know they knock strays off, that’s fucked. I’m not even especially pro-Peta compared to other animal groups. There are a lot of them I respect much more, like Animals Australia, who are amazing. I was just saying I didn’t totally hate them, before I heard that strays fact.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

I suppose we could stave off incipient meltdown by redirection the conversation to FEMEN, another group who seem to subscribe to the underpants gnomes theory of activism

Step 1 – Boobs, and thus attention!

Step 2 – ?

Step 3 – Everyone knows who you are, but they still don’t care what you have to say, they just like the boobs.

archaeoholmes
archaeoholmes
12 years ago

Here we go – I like femen too.

Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

Damnit Cassandra, if we’re doing that I want booze and cars!

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

I give up.

archaeoholmes
archaeoholmes
12 years ago

But isn’t the idea using a passive commodity – boobs – aggressively?

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

Still not seeing what there is to feel “conflicted” about in images like this.

http://adland.tv/files/imagecache/storyinside/PETA.jpg

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