Apparently worried about competition from Florida governor and anti-trans crusader Ron DeSantis, Donald Trump has announced a terrifying anti-trans agenda he promises to enact if (god forbid) he is returned to office.
In a campaign video released yesterday, the oft-impeached former president vows to undo Joe Biden’s pro-trans policies the moment he (god forbid) re-assumes the presidency. “The left-wing gender insanity being pushed on our children is an act of child abuse,” Trump declared in the video.
Vowing to stop what he dishonestly calls “the chemical, physical, and emotional mutilation of our youth,” Trump also made clear that he would basically make it impossible for adults to transition as well.
I will sign a new executive order instructing every federal agency to cease all programs that promote the concept of sex and gender transition at any age.
I will then ask congress to permanently stop federal tax-payer dollars from being used to promote or pay for these procedures ….
He plans to essentially eliminate gender-affirming care for kids by cutting off Medicaid and Nedicare funding to any facility involved in what he insisted on calling “the chemical or physical mutilation of minor youth.” Apparently, in his mind, puberty blockers are a kind of “chemical mutilation.”
He also declared that his Justice Department would go after “big pharma and the big hospital networks” to see if they’ve “deliberately covered up horrific long-term side effects of sex transitions in order to get rich,” another accusation without merit.
Under his administration, he says, teachers would be required to “promote positive education about the nuclear family, the roles of mothers and fathers” and prevented from “erasing the things that make men and women different and unique.” Teachers who tell children they’re “trapped in the wrong body” would face “severe consequences.”
He would also ask Congress to pass a “two genders” bill saying that the only genders recognized in the US would be male and female. In addition, he would ban trans girls and women from participating in girls’ and women’s sports.
Lying again, he accused the “radical left” of inventing the idea of transness “just a few years ago.”
Trump’s crusade would be disastrous to trans people of all ages in America. Civil rights attorney and trans activist Alejandra Caraballo warned on Twitter that
they wouldn’t even need legislation to do most of this … They’ll weaponize the administrative state and turn it into an arm of the reactionary far right. We are in serious danger of a Russian-style fascist crackdown on LGBTQ people in this country and being in a blue state won’t protect you when the federal government is targeting you and holding federal funding to an entire state hostage to eliminate your rights.
If we want to keep the US from turning into Russia, we need to keep Trump out of office.
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@Dave most Log Cabin Republicans are cis gay men who also hate trans people. They haven’t realized that they are next. If Trump wins he’ll go after all LGBTQ people and we’ll be treated to a lot of gay conservatives appearing on the news claiming to be “good Republicans” who “have nothing to do with the trans community” and saying they can’t believe the leopards are eating their faces too.
@Teagan Jeanne Andrews
If you submerge the coastline of New York State, New York will be a red state. Would recommend against.
With any luck he and his whole family will be dead and/or jailed soon.
Surplus to Requirements said:
Either you have very limited knowledge of the plight of the Jewish people or you are completely lacking a moral compass, appropriating the suffering and literal dehumanising of an entire race of people to make hyperbolic claims.
Have you no shame?
Teagan Jeanne Andrews said:
Are you saying that more than 999/1000 males in America have been so diagnosed?
If that is meant to imply that males with Klinefelter Syndrome can develop ovaries, you don’t know what Klinefelter Syndrome actually is. As for undescended testes, the testes being high in the scrotum is usually a very good clue.
Quite so, and on both sides, if that confused jumble making up the final few lines of your comment is any guide.
Autocorrect doesn’t seem to like ‘testes’ and changed it to ‘tested’ twice in my last comment.
Edit; never mind, I found the edit function.
:rolls eyes at Nobody Special:
Oh, fuck off.
*picks up eyes, rolls them back*
You might need them if you’re going to see that dishonesty and hyperbole (comparing trans people to the Jews, FFS!) is not the best way to put a case across.
There was no moral equivalence made. What was compared was the fact of trans vulnerability because the total number of trans persons is a small portion of the total population and the fact of Jewish vulnerability because of the total number of Jewish persons was a small portion of the total population in Germany (or perhaps more broadly Central Europe).
When we say, “Never again,” most of us actually mean it and want people to learn lessons from the Holocaust.
Saying that trans people today are just like the Jewish population in 1930s Germany is incorrect and offensive at the same time.
Stating that small populations are more vulnerable, and that fact can be validated by the Jewish experience in 1930s Europe and then, once learned, can be applied to the trans experience in 2020s North America’s is neither incorrect nor offensive.
We sing of hope, we act to heal the world, we hold ourselves accountable and as examples so that what happened to Jewish people does not happen again in any place where Jews have the power to prevent it.
I’m happy and proud if people learn that political bullies target small populations. Maybe it will do some good.
You, unfortunately, have no ability to differentiate between a statement about percentage of population and the resulting vulnerability and a statement morally equating laws banning health care for trans people and a legal regime of genocide.
Either that or you have the ability, but you chose not to use it because you’re dishonest.
Either way, I have no use for you: fuck off.
When trans people are being herded into ghettos at gunpoint, officially stripped of their status as human beings and denied the right to vote then I’ll concede the point, but as things stand there is no comparison to be made between the Jews in 1930s Germany and trans people except that they are a minority population.
A comparison with the LGB rights struggle of the last half of the 20th. Century would have been a fair one; a comparison with European Jews in the 1930s is a disingenuous (at best) attempt to conflate by implication the tragic plight of the Jews – because we all know how that ended – with the opposition to the trans rights movement.
It doesn’t help the cause; that’s all I’m saying.
Oh, and as for:
You might need those eyes to look at Palestine. Whilst I am horrified at what the Jewish people have suffered for centuries, what is happening today is equally horrifying.
It doesn’t take long for the oppressed to become the oppressors, and in the case of Palestine the Jews are the only people who can prevent it, and yet…. where will the missiles be landing tonight?
Overlooking inconvenient truths is also not a good way of making your case.
Yes. And since that’s the only comparison that WAS made, it turns out that you have now conceded that you had no point in the first place. You were arguing against something that wasn’t under discussion and that no one asserted or advocated.
LOL. I didn’t overlook anything. As it happens I am not morally required to mention the evil actions of the Israeli government in every comment I make on the internet.
I’m not even morally required to do it in every comment I make mentioning Judaism, Jews, my personal Jewishness, or anything else of the sort.
If you know anything about Israel you know that the Knesset is terribly divided and that constitutional complexities make it very difficult for lefty jews to have any significant power over military, security, or intelligence policy — much less where the missiles fall. If it were up to me, they wouldn’t fall at all.
None of that changes the fact that you were wrong.
But sure, feel free to try to make me morally responsible for missiles that kill civilians if you like. It won’t work. It’s a rather pathetically twisted ethical system that would produce that result.
But since you believe in that system, in what country do you hold citizenship? How many missiles and murders are your tax dollars responsible for? If you honestly believe that I can be held responsible for morally addressing the actions of a government to which I’ve never owed loyalty and never paid taxes to the point that it slights my moral authority to fail to mention that government’s bad acts, then you must also honestly believe that your failure to mention your own government’s bad acts slights your moral authority — far more so than mine would be reduced by any failure towards a government 10 million metres away.
Hope you’re ready to confess your ethical failings or change your ethical system to acknowledge that it was bullshit of you to assign me moral responsibility for Israel’s missiles in the first place.
And, again it occurs to me, your writings here advance nothing. I thus continue to have no use for you and continue to encourage you to fuck off.
Wrong.
The comment I took issue with was…
See the bold part? That’s more than merely comparing minority groups just as minorities, it’s inviting comparison with their rights. So let’s compare those rights.
Why weren’t the Jews able to fight via the ballot box? Because they had been officially classed as sub-human, stripped of the rights that other Germans had, including the right to vote. That does not apply to trans people in N. America. They have not been denied human status, they have not been stripped of their rights to vote. There is no comparison to be made between people whose votes have limited power because they don’t have the numbers, and a people with no vote whatsoever.
Could the Jews protest and demand even basic human rights? Nope. Not unless they wanted to be imprisoned, if not machine-gunned in the streets. How does that compare to N. American trans people? Plenty of protests, lots of voices heard, but how many are in prison awaiting execution or laid dead in the streets for marching and protesting?
They are the comparisons that were made by the part I highlighted. Yes, it is two minorities, but the circumstances were and are completely different. One of those minorities was genuinely and completely powerless to do so much as to just speak out against their plight because to do so was a death sentence.
Seriously, you are defending the indefensible. You know that the comparison, with its reference to fighting via the ballot box and elsewhere is a false comparison because the Jews faced insurmountable obstacles that N. American trans people will never face.
And I’m not holding you personally morally responsible for Israel, I was merely showing a situation where Jews can prevent it because it’s Jews that are causing it. I have no doubt that you are as horrified by the actions as I am, but that does not alter the fact that the Jews that can prevent it are the ones actively pursuing it.
No, you don’t have to mention the actions of the Israeli government in every comment; that would be ridiculous, but when you say
you can hardly complain when it is noted that it is very much happening again, especially when it is Jews who are in the driving seat this time.
I know you have no use for me; you have no use for anybody who offers a reasoned argument.
This I think gives the game away. Generally the point of people comparing the modern U.S. to Nazi Germany is not to argue that the U.S. at present has all of the features of a fascist dictatorship like Nazi Germany, but that it has a lot of them, and is well on track to tick off the rest of the boxes. You can try to frame your objection as merely aimed at the comparison between trans folks in the present day and those oppressed by the Nazis, but really you’re just demonstrating that you just think it can’t happen here. Never mind that you seem to think that the Nazis only went after Jews to begin with because they absolutely did everything you’ve described to trans people and all sorts of others who didn’t fit the Aryan ubermensch ideal.
@Nobody Special
a) The Holocaust did not start with death camps.
b) Trying to portray diaspora Jews as responsible for Israel’s war crimes, to the point of bringing them up whenever our historical oppression is mentioned, is disgustingly antisemitic. Especially when the biggest Israel hawks are still US based far-right Christians, and Israel itself is basically a puppet state for US imperial interests.
c) You actually have no idea how bad persecution of trans people will get here, because you do not have the gift of perfect foresight. People said literally the same fucking thing about persecution of Jews when Hitler first came to power.
I am actually quite disgusted and angry to see takes like this on WHTM. Do the fuck better.
@Crip Dyke
Thank you for being the first to tackle this asshole. Srsly.
An Impish Pepper,
Be careful, you’re sounding a lot like the Alex Jones-type wingnuts who were warning that Obama was setting up FEMA death camps to exterminate Republicans. That was a hyperbolic attempt to stir up the masses, and your claims are just as fantastical.
Nobody is ‘coming for’ trans people in N. America or any other civilised nation. It will not happen. It will not be allowed to happen. I know that and so do you. It is a ridiculous claim but one that you’re happy to spin if it advances your cause.
You’d be far better off to argue your case from facts, not from some imagined future event. The fact that you resort to nonsensical and insulting claims doesn’t speak well of the strength of your argument, does it.
And don’t presume to tell me what I do or don’t know about history; it’s telling enough about your knowledge of the Holocaust that you list trans people as though they were the second most numerous group after the Jews to be sent to the camps. Never mind the gypsies, the physically and mentally handicapped, black people, intellectuals, the criminally insane, homosexuals and other ‘sexual deviants’ as they were called by the Nazi propagandists…. ‘..all sorts of others’ indeed!
Cyborgette,
a) where did I say that it did? You’re trying to berate me about things I didn’t say
b) again, not my words. That was Crip Dyke’s bad faith interpretation of what I did say. If you’d bothered to read all of my responses to CD you’d realise that.
c) So you do have the power of perfect foresight, I assume? No, of course you don’t. And now you are comparing a completely imaginary future plight with the very real historical Holocaust, and you have the nerve to call me anti-Semitic. That doesn’t wash when you’re preemptively appropriating the suffering of the Jews to add extra emotional appeal to your cause.
Seriously, you need to stop it. CD may not condemn it because they recognise such hyperbole to be an effective emotional tool in the absence of hard facts to shut down debate, but to anybody on the outside it is a cheap, obvious and downright cynical ploy that will only bring opposition.
@Nobody Special
a) they literally said nothing of the sort
b) g—–s is literally a slur
Seriously are you just trolling or something?
@Nobody Special
In case you missed it I am Jewish and trans. I, like most Ashkenazim diaspora Jews, have been told stories about the Holocaust since I was in second grade or so. I knew what Nazis were, and what they did, before I knew how to spell their party’s name.
And like other Jewish trans people here in the US, I have been seeing the renewed rise of both antisemitism and transphobia, in parallel, everywhere and every day. I have seen over and over again how they interconnect. I am terrified, and honestly you should be too – the people in charge of the Republican party now are fanatics, and it is only a matter of time before they find something to hate about you too.
Riiiight…
@Nobody Special
https://www.theonion.com/holocaust-survivors-recall-exact-day-holocaust-started-1830685498
Indeed: “It can’t happen here,” now with sides of proof by assertion and ad hominem. They can’t make a case, but they sure can tell other people failure to agree with them reflects badly on those people.
@Nobody:
Ladies, gentlemen, and everybody else, I present to you a transphobe arguing in bad faith and then self-outing as such.
https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/200000-trans-people-face-voting-restrictions-state-id-laws-rcna52853
https://www.nbcnews.com/now/video/how-stricter-voter-id-laws-disproportionately-impact-trans-voters-152278085559
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/how-voter-id-laws-threaten-transgender-voters
…
@An Impish Pepper:
Indeed; that is why my own comment referenced 1930s Germany, not 1940s Germany.
@Nobody:
There’s a difference: we have this teensy little thing called “evidence”. Indeed, Jones and his fellow travelers were engaged in blatant projection, accusing liberals of planning what Republicans actually were planning, as became evident with such subsequent developments as the Trumpcamps, the horrid family separation policy, forced sterilizations and other atrocities, and most recently this anti-trans crusade of theirs.
Yeah, that about sums you up, I think.
I’ve banned Nobody Special
Thanks, David. And many, many yikes.
@Surplus
Good catch, I missed that.
@An Impish Pepper
Also the British spelling… should have figured.