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R. Kelly: Guilty Guilty Guilty (Open thread)

R. Kelly has been found guilty on all counts in his sex trafficking trial and is facing lifetime in prison. And all I can say is about fucking time.

Here are a few links:

R. Kelly Is Found Guilty of All Counts and Faces Life in Prison (NYT)

R. Kelly Is Found Guilty on All Counts, Twenty-five Years Too Late (New Yorker)

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17 replies on “R. Kelly: Guilty Guilty Guilty (Open thread)”

Shoutout to Jim DeRogatis of the radio show Sound Opinions for bringing R. Kelly’s misdeeds to the attention of the world and never, ever letting go of this tragic story. According to him, the world tried to ignore this open secret because what happens to black girls doesn’t matter. Maybe this is changing.

@Cygnia – everything I know about Watergate, I learned from Doonesbury…. (That panel is from Gary Trudeau’s coverage of same at the time.)

The face he was wearing in his photo in the Guardian… he’s not sorry. He’s only sorry he got caught.

I hope the rest of his life is one long panic attack. I hope the only thing he can think of until he dies is what a monster he is.

@Cygnia; @Britgeekgrrl:

Doonesbury was also where I picked up the term “expletive deleted”, liberally used to censor cussing in the Watergate tapes; it’s turned out to be an extremely useful G-rated interjection.

Better late than never? Or too late?

At least in prison he can’t victimize any more little girls. And knowing how well prison goes for child molesters in gen pop, he’ll be spending 23 hours a day in a cell by himself, which is good. Let him rot.

Now comes the inevitable hand wringing by some people if they should list still listen to Kelly’s music anymore.

I stopped listening to his music years ago, when the first allegations came out because I couldn’t enjoy it his music without thinking that it was made by a pedophile, which naturally made the music un-enjoyable. I thought I would miss it but guess what? There are about a million other perfectly good musicians in the world who are not pedophiles.

So my answer for the ones who are fretting over this is a resounding: NO, YOU SHOULDNT!!!

I have that Doonesbury in one of a hand-full of books I’ve managed to hold on to down through the ages, Still a Few Bugs in the System, autographed by forward author Art Buchwald. Right here on my desk, had it since the seventies. Part of the family …

Lurking not because of media-Marc but something to the effect of “who?” Maybe I am old, but I can honestly say I’ve never heard of this guy, though it sounds like he’s got what’s coming to him.

I stopped listening to his music years ago, when the first allegations came out because I couldn’t enjoy it his music without thinking that it was made by a pedophile, which naturally made the music un-enjoyable. I thought I would miss it but guess what? There are about a million other perfectly good musicians in the world who are not pedophiles.

So my answer for the ones who are fretting over this is a resounding: NO, YOU SHOULDNT!!!

Yep. Guy has a nice voice, but there’s millions of others who do too.

And with any luck, adverts will stop using that “I Believe I Can Fly” – got a wee bit sick of hearing it.

She Warned Us About R. Kelly. No One Believed Her.

The singer Sparkle has been waiting 20 years for this verdict.

By Angelina Chapin

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On Monday afternoon, when Sparkle learned R. Kelly had been found guilty of all charges in his federal sex-crimes trial, she covered her eyes and bawled. Perhaps no one has waited longer for this news. For the past 20 years, Sparkle, whose real name is Stephanie Edwards, has been trying to convince the world that Kelly sexually abused her teenage niece. The decades-long crusade cost the 46-year-old her closest relationships and stifled her own music career.

Sparkle first introduced her then-12-year-old niece to Kelly in 1997 — a decision that still haunts her to this day. Back then she’d thought, who better to help launch the aspiring tween rapper’s career than the musical genius producing Sparkle’s first album? Four years later, in 2001, she watched a horrifying video that changed her life: It showed Kelly having sex with, and urinating on, her then-14-year-old niece, Sparkle says. “I was horrified and disgusted,” she told me. “I needed to act quickly, and that’s what I did.”

She called the police and went public with the allegation in a radio interview the following year. She later testified in Kelly’s 2008 trial, in which he was found not guilty of child-pornography charges, and told her story once again in the explosive Lifetime documentary Surviving R. Kelly in 2019. But until today’s verdict, it often felt like she was shouting into a void.

Her niece’s parents stood by Kelly — who was accused of buying their silence in a recently unsealed federal indictment — and didn’t speak to Sparkle for a decade. She watched comedians and TV shows mock the “pee tape” while bootleg copies were hawked on street corners across America for $10. The music industry wanted nothing to do with her. Finally, the justice system, and the wider culture, has caught up with Sparkle’s clarion call that Kelly be held accountable. She spoke with the Cut about what it’s like to hear a guilty verdict, and how speaking out against someone so powerful has come with great personal loss.

https://www.thecut.com/2021/09/interview-sparkle-on-r-kellys-guilty-verdict.html?utm_source=pocket-newtab#comments

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