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Hey MGTOWs: We don’t hate that you “go your own way.” We hate that you’re a bunch of screeching misogynist baby men who won’t shut up about women

MGTOWs: Why does everyone hate us?

By David Futrelle

Over on Reddit, the MGTOWs are wondering why no one likes them. In a post on the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit, one confused MGTOW Redditor called Ramayri asks “Why are people so negative or outright hostile to MGTOW ideology?”

I am truly amazed how much people would bash on MGTOW or bachelors in general. So you’ve decided to work your ass of to be happy without a spouse ? Incel , woman hater , virgin and so on..

But when a woman stands up an says: “I am 30+ need no man doing fine all by myself”, you hear crowds clapping people standing up in respect and so on.

He wonders why, when “both men and women [are] doing the same thing” one group is seen negatively and the other is seen as “liberated.”

He then goes on to answer his own question, but in an inadvertent sort of way.

“Liberated from what exactly?” he asks of women.

As a man who resides in the Balkans , so much of this western bs about liberating women is being pumped daily that as things are progressing most women just straight up become whores. Now I am fine with whores let them be what they want to be , but don’t sugarcoat being pumped more than a russian gas pipe, while bashing men for having experience or not wanting to commit.

Huh. Maybe people hating MGTOWs aren’t objecting to the whole “being single” thing so much as they are to the fact that you just called all women “whores.”

He continues:

What is the end goal here?

No man should live alone or enjoy his company any more? You … have to lift up a broke , used and morally corrupt creature or you become some sort of villain ? …

If you know the game is rigged and you keep on playing it , well you are a retard , but if you leave it somehow you become a villain. What the actual fuck ?

Dudes, we don’t care that you don’t “play the game.” We don’t care if you devote your life to meditating at the top of a mountain. We just have a problem with you spending the bulk of your free time on the internet yelling at women — and calling them “broke, used and morally corrupt creature[s].”

If you’re genuinely “happy without a spouse,” go ahead and be happy. But you don’t seem happy. You seem angry and bitter and absolutely fixated on blaming women and “simps” for all your problems in life.

In the comments to Ramayri’s posts, other MGTOWs offer their own answers to his query; all suffer a similar lack of self-awareness.

In a comment with more than a hundred upvotes, HonestGamingTroll declares that the

Cucks are mad because misery loves company and they find out the hard way that MGTOW is right; Women just want your money/resources, not you.

Women are mad because they need men to pay for everything as they don’t want to work; MGTOW doesn’t support their gameplan.

None of this is true, of course; it’s pure misogynistic projection. But the answers to Ramayri’s question play endless variations on this same theme. According to TimJohsonIII,

Men avoidant of ‘committed relationships’ aren’t contributing to women’s passive income stream, so women’s pimp, the state, alerts the fake news propaganda outlets to print more ‘man bad’/’man up’/’women strong independent angels’ stories, TV shows, movies, songs and commercials. It really is that simple. Men’s value to women are men’s discretionary income, male disposability and male utility. Men opting out of relationships is a huge income stream loss for women and their state pimp daddy. …

MGTOW is very powerful, very important and changes the game in men’s favor. It therefore must be destroyed.

TigPlaze is a little more succinct:

They hate us because we’re a threat. The more men opt out of marriage, the harder it will be for women to find a man to exploit for his money. The feminists might suffer the humiliation of having to earn their own money and pay for their own shit.

CeleritySteam throws some antisemitism into the mix:

Jews want slaves and resources.

Their good goyim TradCucks want slaves and resources.

Wahmans want slaves and resources.

Society wants slaves and resources.

You are triggering all of them by rejecting their entitled demands so of course they all hate you.

Dudes, we don’t hate you because you’re not living with women. We don’t hate you because you bought yourself a motorcycle. We don’t hate you because you can make your own fried eggs without the assistance of a woman. We hate you because you’re hateful.

If you’re going your own way, just fucking go already.

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57 replies on “Hey MGTOWs: We don’t hate that you “go your own way.” We hate that you’re a bunch of screeching misogynist baby men who won’t shut up about women”

The use of the term “resources” in this context always tickles my funny bone just a little, because it’s so non-specific and faux-technical. It makes me picture an evil modern woman clutching a positive pregnancy test and cackling to herself “At last, his precious cassiterite deposits shall be mine!”

So you’ve decided to work your ass of to be happy without a spouse ?

Wait, I thought the point of MGTOW was that they didn’t have to work as hard and could devote more time to cooking and drinking beer at 9 in the morning? Now it’s about working harder?

MGTOW is very powerful, very important and changes the game in men’s favor. It therefore must be destroyed.

One would wonder, if it is so powerful why has it accomplished absolutely nothing in over a decade of being?

Jews want slaves and resources
Their good goyim TradCucks want slaves and resources
Wahmans want slaves and resources.
Society wants slaves and resources.
You are triggering all of them by rejecting their entitled demands so of course they all hate you.

Their projection is acting up again. It seems that MGTOWs and other bigots are the ones that want slaves.

@Karalora

The use of the term “resources” in this context always tickles my funny bone just a little, because it’s so non-specific and faux-technical.

I always think of it in terms of a video game. In exchange for marrying him, I will gain access to all his diamonds and ender pearls.*

*Disclaimer: No diamonds or ender pearls are worth the horror of being married to a MGTOW.

Cucks are mad because misery loves company

Isn’t “misery loves company” the entire guiding principle of all those MGTOW fora for talking about “going their own way”? Again with the projection. Sooooo close to self-awareness. And yet…

women’s pimp, the state, alerts the fake news propaganda outlets to print more ‘man bad’/’man up’/’women strong independent angels’ stories

If they actually wanted to go their own way, wouldn’t “women are strong by themselves and can/should be independent” messages be praised by them? The more women exist independently, the less call there is for men to support women.

Which means that the solution to MGTOW’s plight is to … :checks notes: … support feminism? Golly, that can’t be right!

I’d wonder why it doesn’t occur to them that a strong and independent woman might want a man in her life simply to enjoy his company, but I’m guessing no woman has ever enjoyed these guys’ company.

We don’t hate that you “go your own way” … we hate that you WON’T go….

I’m a man who lives without sex or relationships, having no interest in either. I can honestly say that I don’t feel I’ve ever been hated for my partner-free lifestyle*. Of course, I don’t call myself a MGTOW, I don’t rail against the deficiencies of feeemales, and I don’t use terms like femoid or wahmans.

* Except from those on the right who believe I’m contributing to white genocide, I suppose.

Wait, I thought the point of MGTOW was that they didn’t have to work as hard and could devote more time to cooking and drinking beer at 9 in the morning? Now it’s about working harder?

Undoubtedly they’re realizing that unless you’re stupidly wealthy, a single-income household just can’t make enough money to live the easy life they dream of. Of course they then draw the wrong lesson from it.

@Moggie

Except from those on the right who believe I’m contributing to white genocide, I suppose.

Though even those rambling about white genocide appear to hate white people that don’t agree with them (which is counterproductive if they truly think there is a white genocide, but that’s beside the point).

@Anonymous
Well, if they do realize that, they’re doing at least a little better than the MRAs who think men must be the sole breadwinners whilst simultaneously complaining about the supposed laziness of women.

[Sigh] I personally have zero interest in sports — playing, watching or reading about them — and do you know how a random person can figure this out? Because if you were to peruse my blog entries, social media posts, comments on chat forums, etc., you’ll find a near-complete lack of posts talking about sports.

What you will NOT find is the overwhelming majority of my content dedicated to “I have no interest in sports” and “I don’t care about sports” and “Sports are stupid and so are the people who care about them,” let alone semicoherent conspiratorial rants about how sports and the people who like them are responsible for every single complaint I have about life, the universe and everything.

My current lack of interest in sports has not resulted in any sports fans sneering at me — hell, I even have friends who (pre-pandemic) had jobs like “sports reporter for the local newspaper” — but if my “lack of interest in sports” were replaced with “sneering contempt if not outright hatred of sports and all who like them, permeating everything I ever say and do” … yeah, in that case I’m thinking the sports folks would have a pretty low opinion of me, and they’d be justified in having it, too.

In my country (Denmark) there is almost parity between men and women in the workforce as around 95% of women work. It would blow the mind of a MGTOW….

I am truly amazed how much people would bash on MGTOW or bachelors in general. So you’ve decided to work your ass of to be happy without a spouse ? Incel , woman hater , virgin and so on..

Almost verging on the truth- being called an incel and woman hater is indeed despicable . Not because of the labels, but what they do. As for virgin being a slur- yes, you guys are facing oppressive restrictive sexual mores- join with feminists to defeat them

@Naglfar

I also think of video games whenever these guys mention “resources.”

I picture a horde of women chasing a lone Miggie down the street. As they run, hands reaching out, they chant in unison “We require more Vespene gas.”

They’re like that one guest — you know the one. Yeah. That Guy. The one who goes on and on about how this party sucks, the food is terrible, your guests don’t like him, and he’s going to leave (oh, please, do!) but he’s somehow still there three hours after the party has ended, hasn’t stopped complaining, and still won’t fucking leave.

Hands off my cassiterite and feldspar deposits!
I do have extra Vespene gas; going zealot rush.

@Allandrel, Snowberry, Dalillama, Naglfar:

Remember that discussion of identity from a while back?

Well, some information theorists have been working on something at least sort-of related. Apply it to the mind and not just the body and it will become fully relevant to that discussion:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200416091951.htm

Meanwhile, Ontario’s daily case growth rate continues to creep downward. It’s now between 4 and 5%.

This is looking increasingly bad:

https://www.damemagazine.com/2020/04/20/will-trump-2020-break-apart-the-nation/

So, if Trump wins, most likely we get #CalExit, and a dominoing of further blue-state secessions, likely a big chunk of the Northeast and the Left Coast. Since the red states are so heavily subsidized by the blue states, it’s unlikely they’ll let them go without a fight, and we’re staring down the barrel of Civil War II.

On the other hand, if Trump loses, which polls indicate to be the likelier outcome, Trump and his base are unlikely to accept it as a legitimate defeat. Red state rebellion ala 1861 seems likely, which is precisely how the first one happened, or else some type of successful coup at the federal level, in which case we’re back to #CalExit.

Yikes.

@Moggie:
*chuckles* Why am I not surprised someone made a cookbook with that title…

Kari Maaren, a local artist/author/filker, wrote a song called ‘Take my Sheep’, about playing Settlers of Catan. (In the song she pretty much cornered the market on sheep, but doesn’t have a good port and everybody else is refusing to trade with her.) One of the lines is ‘Is this revenge for how I used to gloat at Carcassonne?’ Sadly, it doesn’t seem to be on Youtube.

Back more on topic… yeah, just a little self-reflection would do these guys so much good. In the long run. In the short run it would require deconstructing all the defences they put up to protect their identity and self-righteousness, which is why most of them will likely never do it. Or, at least, never talk about it if they do, because if they have enough self-reflection to realize they need to get out, they’ll probably also realize that their former friends will just razz them for it.

The use of the term “resources” in this context always tickles my funny bone just a little, because it’s so non-specific and faux-technical. It makes me picture an evil modern woman clutching a positive pregnancy test and cackling to herself “At last, his precious cassiterite deposits shall be mine!”

I was also wondering about the phrasing “slaves and resources”, what resources do these guys think they might provide other than their ostensible slave labor?

Seems like a case of padding the list/redundancy for emphasis. These guys probably think of “resources” as meaning money. They probably think they’re paying their child support bills twice, first when working and again when handing the money.

(I think the “resources” rhetoric originated in evopsych discourse, in the context of discussing prehistoric societies in time before money was invented. People would be producing and trading everyday goods such as food, based on labor and access to natural resources. In agricultural societies, land resources would be also increasingly hoarded as private capital.)

I am truly amazed how much people would bash on MGTOW or bachelors in general. So you’ve decided to work your ass of to be happy without a spouse ? Incel , woman hater , virgin and so on..

Wow, that’s a lot of criticism. I guess you’ll just have to be the mature one and ignore those critics.

But when a woman stands up an says: “I am 30+ need no man doing fine all by myself”, you hear crowds clapping people standing up in respect and so on.

Wait a minute. There are no crowds of people giving a single woman a standing ovation.

As a man who resides in the Balkans , so much of this western bs about liberating women is being pumped daily that as things are progressing most women just straight up become whores.

Hold on. Did you just say most women are whores.

Now I am fine with whores let them be what they want to be . . .

So you’re tolerant.

. . . but don’t sugarcoat being pumped more than a russian gas pipe . . .

I see. You’re not tolerant at all.

. . . while bashing men for having experience or not wanting to commit.

I’m not sure what you mean by “bashing men for having experience.” If you mean sex, you just verbally bashed women for having sex.

In conclusion, I recommend that you avoid women. At all costs. You’ll be happier. They’ll be much happier. Hell, the world will be much, much happier.

Moggie

I can honestly say that I don’t feel I’ve ever been hated for my partner-free lifestyle

Same here. The only person who even cares is my mother, because she’d like grandchildren (and even she has come around to accepting that that’ll never happen).

So, it’s not that they’re single. It’s that they’re assholes.

@Surplus

Since the red states are so heavily subsidized by the blue states, it’s unlikely they’ll let them go without a fight, and we’re staring down the barrel of Civil War II.

They’re subsidized, yes, but the average conservative is likely to be too deluded by Trump to realize that, so they might not take issue until after those states leave and they start feeling the effects. That complicates this all a bit more.

Never mind cassiterite or breaker pearls… I wouldn’t even do it for a prismatic shard.

So, one of my best friends has been single and celibate by choice for the last 25+ years. He doesn’t do much beyond work, read, and watch movies, and he has this interesting habit of saving up enough money that he basically quits his job every five years and takes a year or so off before going back to work and starting the cycle again (he starts looking for a new job once his savings dip below $30k). He’s very happy living the life most Miggies claim they have.

The big difference here is that he doesn’t hate women, and he certainly doesn’t go around raging about “the gynocracy” (we do have some interesting discussions about the whole “race war” thing, because a bunch of his family members are hoteps who seem just as eager as the neo-nazis to get it started, but I digress…). He figured out in his late twenties that he was terrible at relationships, and he realized that if he cared enough about a woman to date her, then her cared enough not to inflict the “him-in-a-relationship” version of himself on her.

Somehow, nobody ever hates him for being a committed bachelor.

Shocking, I know….

Most people don’t care what people do as long as they don’t harm others. They are projecting, or using someone from their own life as an example, but the plural of anecdote is not data.

So I’ve been gone and wanted to tell you guys what happened. My husband caught the plague. So there is that.

@Lainy

Shit. I hope he rides it out all right. Is he okay? Uh, in a relative sense, other than the obvious. :/

Speaking of Settlers of Catan, I love board games but hate that game. I have no desire to play it ever again.

And yet, I somehow spend almost all of my board game-related activity not thinking or talking about Catan.

When playing board games with my friends, if someone suggests Catan, I will just say that I would really rather play something else because I hate that game, then make a suggestion. I will only explain why I hate Catan if asked.

I’m Going My Own Way from one of the most popular board games out there, and yet no one has ever insulted me over it.

It’s not that hard, Miggies.

@Allandrel
Out of curiosity, why don’t you like Catan?
For me, the board game I can’t stand is checkers or similar games. I also don’t like candyland (but I imagine most other adults similarly don’t like it).

OT: For the past week or so, the Allegra I’ve been taking has been wearing off several hours early. What would be causing this, and how do I put it back to the way it was, lasting a full 24 hours or so?

Meanwhile, backsliding: Ontario case growth rate back up over 5% as of this afternoon. :/ So still no end in sight to this, at least not in my neck of the woods …

@Naglfar

I don’t like checkers either; once I figured out that it’s basically a game of “whoever moves a piece out of their home row first loses,” it just seemed fundamentally pointless.

@Allandrel, Naglfar:
One of my friends regularly refers to Settlers of Catan as ‘F*** You of Catan’. I imagine he’s had some rather bad experiences. And while it’s better in terms of feedback loops than many other games, it’s still not always easy to catch up to someone who’s ahead, and which locations you pick at the start can have a significant impact on the game later on which can leave you in a state of ‘I’m not going to win anyway, why are we rubbing it in by going through the motions’.

And I say this as somebody who actually likes the game and plays the mobile version of it fairly often.

(I know I read an article recently which was going on about feedback loops in games as part of the revival of board gaming. Monopoly, for example, has a strong positive feedback loop, so whoever gets in front early is pretty much guaranteed to win. The trick to good games is to involve enough positive feedback loops that people feel they can win once they’re ahead, but enough negative feedback loops to make sure that the people who aren’t currently winning still feel they might have a chance.)

For me, games are about making decisions. This is why I don’t even consider Candyland a game, but an exercise.

In Catan, you do make decisions… occasionally. But 75% of turns consist of “roll dice, have literally zero options available except to pass to next player.” You rarely have the resources that you need to do anything, much less the thing that you want to do. Sure, you could try to trade, but most of the time those negotiations fall through, and you just spent five minutes not changing the game state at all, and would have been better off just passing because then at least you might get lucky and actually be presented with a decision in five minutes, even if that decision is “make the one legal play available to you or pass.”

Even if a game does let you make decisions, those decisions should be meaningful, which is why I also hate Risk. The “every battle is Thermopylae” combat mechanics mean that once you have the average number of armies needed to take a territory, any further force that you apply there is meaningless. An attacking force of a hundred armies will fare the same as an attacking force of ten.

But speaking of feedback loops, even if you have managed to maximize what effect you can get out of your decision-making, the escalating card turn-in system makes those irrelevant. You can be outmaneuvering and stomping over everybody, successfully controlling freaking Asia for multiple turns… and then the player backed into South America turns in the right set of cards for more armies than you have been able to generate with your “smart gameplay” and crushes you, rendering every decision that either of you made pointless.

Am I the only one who has never played Settlers of Catan?

Anyway, my favorite board games are Clue and Trivial Pursuit. I still have my parent’s old Trivial Pursuit with cards from the 1980’s and they have questions about the Soviet Union and East/West Germany.

I don’t like Settlers very much because I am really bad at it and I was mocked for that. I could probably get better by playing it more, but that’s not a very appealing prospect.

The people who first played the game with me were very experienced, extremely competitive, and not at all interested in helping a new player learn the ropes. That is a totally acceptable approach to games if all the players are in that same mode, but if that describes you, please do not play your favourite game with new people! Wait until they have cut their teeth in some more casual learning games. That’s my PSA for the day.

> Lainy
Sorry about that. I hope he will recover and that you can go through that both of you.

Board games :
I only play Catan a few times. Outside familial board games (like Monopoly, Clue, and so on) and wargames with figs, friends and i have played games like Heroquest and Talisman (when we were very young), and with the time we have turned to a bit more complex games : Condottieri, Citadels were the mains, then with the board game club i have at my workplace, we have competitive games like Carcassonne, Munchkin, Small Worlds, Elixir, The Thing, Code Names, Masquerade, Bang (no, it is not a Roosh game…) … and some cooperative games lke Arkham Horror, Zombicide, Betrayal at the House on the Hill (not full cooperative, as there are chances there is a traitor at some point in the game), etc…
Strangely, some famous games like Catan or 7 Wonders never catch our interest, so we have never bought them.
I suppose in the current situation, Pandemic would have been a bit weird to play…

@Lainy

I’m so sorry to hear that. He’s in the army, right? My nephew is in the Army and I am so worried about him.

@sheilia

*uncontrolled screaming at the gesture* thank you. That was very nice. I have an irrational fear of sloths though after I saw one hurt this lady by accident as a 7 year old.

@ allandrel

He’s a marine. Tight quarters and all that.

@y’all

He’s trying to make jokes about it but also keeps trying to smoke cigarettes even though his lungs are being attacked right now so that’s what I’m dealing with.

@Lainy,

All the best to your husband, I hope he recovers quickly.

@all, re: boardgames.

I have never played Settlers of Catan. Some of the games group have been considering getting a set so we can have a go at it.

I love a game of draughts (checkers, I think the USians say?). As a lonely almost friendless teenager I used to play draughts against myself. I still do occasionally. Some of the games group want to get me into PC games, and they’re holding out a boardgame emulator that has draughts as an enticement.

Re: OP

My dear Miggies, as a person AFAB, who is single, 36, child free and not really looking for a romantic relationship, I have yet to receive a standing ovation for my independence.

In other news, I have applied for a job working for a new community corporation for autistic adults as an ‘autism mentor’, so basically supporting newly diagnosed autistic adults make connections in the community, look at employment options and services. I only want 1 day a week, because of the emotional drain and because I have a book blog to run still and books to write. But it’s a start.

Before the quarantine it was still visible, every week 1000-2000 new subscribers in r/MGTOW. The growth was exponential, now you can’t see the number of subscribers.

Most of the new subscribers go through the so-called “rage-phase”.

But whm doesn’t seem to be interested in that, they prefer to make fun of the guys and collect donations.

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