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Incel.me commenters agree: Women should fear death if they turn down a guy for a date

Reminder: This guy thinks the solution to male violence is to make sure violent males can get dates

By David Futrelle

If you have any lingering doubt that incels — or at least a significant percentage of them — are straight-up terrorists, here’s a lovely conversation taking place tonight on Incels.me, one of the, er, leading forums for so-called “involuntary celibates” online.

Here’s the full text, with some thoughts:

A woman should be deathly afraid of rejecting a guy. When a guy asks her out she should be made aware of what a horrible fate will be left on the guy if she rejects him, and the only way to accomplish this is through instilling fear on the females.

Hate to break it to you, Crustaciouse, but women already know that men often react to rejection with anger, insults, and in too many cases, actual violence.

Whenever a guy gets rejected he should scare the female, go on a shocking rant right in front of her and make it seem as if he lost his sanity and is ready to kill the female.

Men already do this, too many of them, all the fucking time. One of the reasons incels can’t get dates is that many of them give off a clear vibe that they are these kinds of guys. So women do what they can to make sure these guys can’t get close enough to them to even ask for a date.

If enough guys do this then rejections will completely be destroyed.

Sorry, fellas, but it’s not going to happen. Partly because women realize that saying “yes” to these sorts of guys is as dangerous as saying “no,” if not more so.

Second step is the actual date, if the female thinks she can just ghost the guy and not go on the date then she must be proven wrong, these females should be doxed and stalked.

Threatening phone calls should be made to her house and the guy should leave threatening objects at her door such as a knife covered in animal blood.

Fucking hell. This is why women give out fake phone numbers.

And this is why it’s so fucking creepy when people like Jordan Peterson essentially argue that society should figure out a way to make sure that at least some very unlucky women will be desperate enough, or pressured enough, to date and even marry these violent pieces of shit.

Guys who react to rejection with violence and threats of violence are pretty fucking likely to use violence in relationships to get what they want. Peterson’s vision of “enforced monogamy” — despite his attempts to deny the implications of his language — would basically amount to “enforced domestic violence.”

He is basically demanding that society give in to the sort of incel threats we see in this Incels.me thread.

So you may wonder: is there anyone on Incels.me willing to challenge this sort of thinking?

Well. in this particular case, nope! In fact, they’ve somehow managed to convince themselves that women are actually really into being threatened by violent losers.

 Warmest Black Misfortune Teller - Joined:Nov 9, 2017 Messages:536 56 minutes ago#2 I hear they are aroused by violent dark triad behavior. UnfortunatelyINCEL98 UnfortunatelyINCEL98 RememberTheDeadShooters - Joined:Feb 27, 2018 Messages:4,718 55 minutes ago#3 they are if they are alone with no onlookers..

And then there’s this guy, who really seems taken by the “murder” idea.

I think this would be great. A man should be able to kill a woman if she rejects him. Some men do this in India.

In case you are thinking that these guys are outliers on Incels.me, if not actual trolls trying to make incels look bad, nope! The OP has posted more than 4900 comments on the site in the seven months he’s been on it; the murder dude has posted 600. No trolls are that dedicated.

NOTE: I learned of this horrific post from @Justincelthings on Twitter, who documents a great deal of truly awful incel crap. Definitely worth a follow, if you can stomach it.

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Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
3 years ago

go on a shocking rant right in front of her

I mean, the most shocking rant a dude could give after being rejected by a woman is a very short and civil one to say it’s her right to do so and that he’ll honor her wishes. Come on, incels, blow her fuckin mind with basic decency!

msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
3 years ago

There are more places on the body that an abuser can strike, but I won’t go over the list just in case someone who is a stupid fucker who abuses others they claim to ‘love’ is reading and decides to add to their “I’m an asshole who chooses to commit domestic violence (that includes those threatening phone calls, incels!)” list of stuff to land themselves in jail or prison.

But when you consider the tendency for men who achieve the highest levels in career and/or political success to generally act like asshats the world is supposed to coddle and fawn over everywhere else in their lives…It’s not shocking to hear that they’re assholes who should have been kicked out, taken to the cleaners by the wife’s legal counsel in the divorce, and publicly shamed every time they even think about laying a greasy paw on anyone…If we’d only done something about them early on before they were successful…Oh wait, it’s not for lack of *trying* to, it’s just taken this long to get the message out where something can be done about it!

And it’s ridiculous that there are people in this world who should have known there was a crime that they should report to the police – but didn’t because “well things were different back then!”…HOW MANY TIMES DO THEY PLAN TO USE THIS!? There are still whingers out there complaining about Bill Cosby’s accusers, Weinstein and the rest are currently making various noises about how they’re suffering and we should all pat them on the head after cookies and milk, it’s absolutely maddening!

Whew…anyone have some emergency kittens, I think I need a few to bring myself back to a calmer state? Puppies are acceptable too. 😛

msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
3 years ago

…Martial arts like traditional jujitsu (not the Brazilian variety) are actually quite good even if you’re not tall or terribly strong, though you have to be okay with getting into close quarters with an taller/stronger opponent to use their momentum against them. Some people expect to be all instant cool dude with wild fists and endless furious displays of manly martial arts (I blame the surge in MMA televised ‘fights’) without putting in the work or learning about anything from step 1 because it’s not cool and it takes a long time to learn…

c jordan
c jordan
3 years ago

Incels – a school in the US has beaten you to it!

A mother has been left outraged after her daughter’s school introduced a policy that states students aren’t allowed to say “no” when asked to dance.

Natalie Richard, from Utah, was speaking to her sixth-grade daughter about the upcoming Valentine’s Day dance at her school, Kanesville Elementary, when she was told about the controversial rule.

“The teacher said she can’t. She has to say yes. She has to accept”

Apparently this is policy because girls should be ‘kind’. Of course it doesn’t actually matter how girls FEEL. And presumably boys being kind is not considered.

Dalillama
Dalillama
3 years ago

@msexceptiontotherule
Otter?

c jordan
c jordan
3 years ago

Surely if incels think that threats, stalking and intimidation are ideal dating tactics they should be campaigning to have quite a few laws changed first?!

her daughter’s school introduced a policy that states students aren’t allowed to say “no” when asked to dance.

Natalie Richard, from Utah, was speaking to her sixth-grade daughter about the upcoming Valentine’s Day dance at her school, Kanesville Elementary, when she was told about the controversial rule

“The teacher said she can’t. She has to say yes. She has to accept”

Looks like incels are already getting their way in some places.

the real cie
the real cie
3 years ago

I have this truly radical idea that these twisted fucks should be locked away where they can’t harm anyone.

Nequam
Nequam
3 years ago

There’s a discussion about what’s the best fighting system to protect the white race; and they keep coming back to Krav Maga.

http://www.fpusadailyplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/achewood-beef-hee-hee.jpg

P.S. sorry about the first post. I improperly vented, went off to relax looking at cats, and by the time I realized “Damn, I ought to rescind that post” it was out of the edit time frame.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
3 years ago

@Alexis Filth : that post was totally horrific, even with the footnote.

And honestly, I don’t think it would cut down on anything bad. It might even make things worse.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
3 years ago

I’ve only taken a few classes in it, but for self-defense against weapons, it is tops, and my teacher could wield a knife like no other.

I don’t know why, but I love delusional kekboy survivalist fantasies. Apparently the most important aspect of martial arts is being a “badass”. “Which one has the coolest uniforms and wasn’t invented by people we hate?”

Some myths about knife fighting:

1. There is no one “best” self-defense system against knives, because there are many different styles of knife fighting. Someone from Brazil will use a knife in a very different way than someone from China, or South Africa, or Thailand, or Mexico. You can’t possibly train for all of them.

2. The whole idea of “knife fighting” is a myth. Someone who pulls a knife on you means to kill you, as quickly and expeditiously as possible. They’re not interested in a drawn-out confrontation. They’re not going to telegraph their intentions. They’re not going to move in a predictable, choreographed manner. Unless they’re incredibly drunk or slow, all those joint-locking and controlling maneuvers you learned in martial arts class are going to be useless.

3. There are very few ways of successfully fighting back against a knife-wielding assailant that don’t result in you either being sliced to ribbons, or in jail for manslaughter.

4. The only effective self-defense against a knife is to run.

Whenever a guy gets rejected he should scare the female, go on a shocking rant right in front of her and make it seem as if he lost his sanity and is ready to kill the female.

What does this accomplish, other than a possible assault charge and a social media dragging if someone happens to record it?

If their sexual attention means a death warrant for women, then women are perfectly justified in avoiding them. They have no legitimate grievance. Society hasn’t wronged them, other than by allowing them to remain entitled shitbags past the age of 3.

Violet the Vile, Wielder of an Ideologically Weaponized Vagina
Violet the Vile, Wielder of an Ideologically Weaponized Vagina
3 years ago

And this is why I spend my non-working time doing martial arts training (no, not krav maga). It’s so when guys like these get in my personal space, make themselves big to look intimidating, and go off on screaming rants I don’t just panic and give them what they want. It’s amazing how many dudes think they can just get their own way by looming at you. Many (not all, but many) back down when they realise it isn’t working, because they are basically looking for immediate panicky compliance. Which is exactly what these incels here are thinking would happen. This makes me so angry I want to [redacted due to comments policy]

I love these dudes talking about martial arts. I bet they are like the guys who sometimes come to class with loads of gym-muscle, go on about krav maga (they always talk about krav maga or MMA) get all sniffy about fighting women, and then have to go outside and throw up halfway through the press-ups

They never realise that martial arts training involves, you know….training. It’s kind of sad really; they watch old Chinese martial arts films and think “that looks easy”, never considering that the reason it looks easy is because that one guy who just did it sweated for years developing his technique. They’re not prepared to fail, and you can’t learn without failing.

Pie
Pie
3 years ago

spicycurry, he of the Khomenei avatar (isn’t it nice that people can finally find something they hate and fear more than an islamic theocracy?)

I think this would be great. A man should be able to kill a woman if she rejects him.

There’s a reasonable chance that this idiot is from the US, I’m guessing. Y’know, the country where it is remarkably simple to get hold of easily concealable deadly weapons. I wonder if he has thought that a) women might be able to get hold of these weapons and that b) they would have a greater incentive to use them on mr. curry than to simply say ‘no’ to him.

That’s a tricky situation you’ve set up for yourself, mr. curry.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
3 years ago

@Violet

When I was fencing on a regular basis, I met one of those guys who got all sniffy about sparring with a woman. The maestro paired him up with me. After I nailed him in the face (of his mask; I’m not that mean) a few times, he got over it.

Violet the Vile, Wielder of an Ideologically Weaponized Vagina
Violet the Vile, Wielder of an Ideologically Weaponized Vagina
3 years ago

@victorious

Sounds familiar!

That happens to me a lot. In the particular class I do, we all have to pair off with each member of the class at least once for freestyle wrestling. It’s great actually, it helps to train with different shapes, sizes and abilities. I’m not the only woman in the class, and some of the others are very good; even if a guy like that manages to beat us a couple of times (and usually give a smirk with his win) sooner or later he will fall on his ass. At which point he’ll either get over himself, or he’ll do a flounce-out.

Cindy
Cindy
3 years ago

@Nequam

I can only imagine the mothers of incels kicking themselves for not choosing to have that abortion.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
3 years ago

I hear they are aroused by violent dark triad behaviour.

They are if they are alone with no onlookers

Dear incels,

It’s been a while since I’ve needed to deploy properly harsh language, but you have inspired me. Please stand back. If necessary, please use ear protection.

To say that I am disappointed in you is an understatement. I’m disappointed in the squirmy slimy things in the seas that gave birth to your distant ancestors: if they had known that you would have been the eventual result then they would have damned well stayed in their primordial ooze and not bothered, and I would not have blamed them.

It’s not news that you hate women; it may be news to you that you know as little about them as you do about the inside of a bathtub. You’re exchanging whispers about what “they” are aroused by or will do in certain circumstances, as if “they” are some mysterious element that can only exist for brief periods inside a nuclear reactor instead of over half of the entire fucking human race. Then again, the amount of time that most people would want to speak to your rancid ass is probably about as long as those elements exist for. I suppose we should consider ourselves lucky that you aren’t whispering about how you heard that “they” are twelve feet tall, breathe fire, and have their faces in the middle of their chests.

Women are individuals, and each individual varies. Some may enjoy certain activities with a trusted partner. However, those trusted partners are not you, and the reason for that is that nobody is justified in trusting you further than they can throw the rancid, yellow-stained anime body pillow that you share a bed with. Nobody should trust anyone with your self-control problems to open a pack of peanuts for them, let alone have intimate access to their body.

Like, do you even know what the word “intimacy” is, or do you think it’s some weak cuck shit that normies do? Feeling safe in your presence is the whole fucking point. If people don’t feel safe with you, then why would they sleep with you at all, or even tolerate you being in their society? When someone turns their back on you at work, are they afraid that you’re going to take a shit on the floor to show your anger at them? That’s the level of childish bullshit that you’re exhibiting here.

What you may not be aware of – inasmuch as you’re aware of anything except a mountain of hentai, a thousand hours wasted on Dark Souls and a diet so bad that the Dorito dust has hardened into geological strata – is that most men hate you too. You’re an embarrassment to us, a reminder of all the ugly unexamined shit that our culture vomits forth in the name of consumptive masculinity. Many men have trouble with this stuff, but you’re such a clear and rancid example of everything that’s wrong with it that you are actively helping them to reject the violent jealous controlling bullshit.

See, apart from the bad hygiene and the violence fetish, you don’t look that different from the rest of us, and that’s a problem. It’s a problem for women because they can’t be sure whether any man is safe or not, and so have to react by being afraid of all of us. It’s a problem for men, who don’t like people around us being afraid of us. It’s a huge fucking problem for decent fucking society, because we are busy with serious matters like advancing civilisation, and we do not have time for your penny-ante Fallout-LARP rapist bullshit. We do not tolerate assholes going around making threats of violence in the hope that they’ll get what they want, like a child throwing a tantrum. Elliot and Minassian may be heroes to you but the one is dead and the other will spend the rest of his life in a cell. In both cases, they aren’t going to get much sex.

Oh, and Dark Triad? Fuck off. I appreciate that your knowledge of science is so dire that you think “betas” are a thing, but even by your standards this is low. Dark Triad traits, inasmuch as they are a thing at all, are antisocial: nobody likes them, man or woman or enby. Nobody wants to be around people like that. Nobody wants them as a colleague, or as a partner, or as a friend. Trying to cultivate negative traits will help you in the same way that shooting yourself in the leg will help you win a sprint.

Take a long hard look at yourself. Take a shower. Go to the gym. Stop masturbating to Jordan Peterson lectures and stolen hentai. Do some volunteering. Grow plants. If you like video games, write one. If you like music, learn to play some. If you make yourself a better human being, then other human beings may enjoy your company. If you don’t, then that is a choice and you have nobody to blame but yourself.

Our species has bigger concerns than yours. It has no place for bullshit like yours. It is starting to outgrow the toxic lines of reasoning that led to bullshit like yours.

Grow the fuck up.

bluecat
bluecat
3 years ago

My brain kindly tried to distract me from the appalling by wondering exactly what “horrible fate will be left on the guy” when a woman turns him down.

Yes, it may sting a bit, and loneliness is tough for many (though: fun fact, there are other women) but, compared to say being shot, stabbed, have acid poured on you, have slaughtered animals’ blood sprayed on your house, spending a lifetime in fear… or accepting the guy and STILL getting that stuff, I’m not sure.

Nixon was a surly rage-beast, so not that surprising… but still horrible. You would have thought, wouldn’t you, that a President committing actual assault would er… er… um… oh.

Gaebolga
Gaebolga
3 years ago

I wonder how badly these incels skidmarks would lose their shit if someone proposed that, in order to counter the “women – sorry, feeeeeeeeeeemales – should fear death if they reject a guy” tactic, instead of rejecting men, they should just pre-emptively kill them in self-defense.

Somehow, I don’t think they’d approve of the tables being turned like that. I’m guessing the term “misandry” would be thrown around a lot.

But don’t you dare call the incels misogynists, or they might kill you….

Binjabreel
Binjabreel
3 years ago

Okay so I’m not much of a fighter- I have definitely talked, bluffed, joked, or otherwise Charisma checked my way out of a fight much more often than I’ve been in one, but i know a shitload of fighters for some reason, and I want to say like everything y’all have said here is true.

I knew a self defense instructor who said every time new folk came in he got the same sort of question along the lines of “what do I do if someone sneaks up on me with like a bat/pipe/golf club/rebar?” And he said his answer was always “well, first I’d probably go ‘ugh’ when he hit me, then I’d collapse forward, and I’d probably lose consciousness or go into shock, depending…”

I always thought it was funny how negatively people reacted to the idea that sometimes there’s fuck all you can do, no matter how good a fighter you are.

It just never works out well. My preferred strategy (if it’s like a group and one guy is being trouble, which is what I usually run into) is to get enough of his friends to start laughing, that way they’re the ones who de-escalate instead of me. I’m shit in a fight, but funny under pressure, so it usually works out.

Violet the Vile, Wielder of an Ideologically Weaponized Vagina
Violet the Vile, Wielder of an Ideologically Weaponized Vagina
3 years ago

@EJ

I always wonder exactly what they think sex is.

They talk about it like it’s something that will change them forever, some kind of mystical transformative experience that is being denied them by a cruel society, as if they were caterpillars not being allowed to turn into butterflies, when losing your virginity is like: “That was really nice….but I’m exactly the same asshole I was when I was eating breakfast this morning and oh shit I’m late for work.”

Guys, you’ll still need to go to work, do your maths homework, feed yourself, catch up on Netflix, whatever. Losing your virginity is not going to significantly change anything. Sex can be lovely and yes it can be earth-shattering, it can be really emotionally intense…and when it’s over, you will still need to heat up your spaghetti hoops for dinner. Stop putting so much on it. It’s something nice you do with a friend.

Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
3 years ago

Alan:

The twerps at Stormfront are getting into a bit of an existential crisis at the moment. There’s a discussion about what’s the best fighting system to protect the white race; and they keep coming back to Krav Maga.

Reminds me of what I read years ago in a Finnish humor magazine, about “traditional Western self-defense arts”. It named some arts, that in English context might be called such as “Jo King” and “Haftago”.

Violet the Vile, Wielder of an Ideologically Weaponized Vagina
Violet the Vile, Wielder of an Ideologically Weaponized Vagina
3 years ago

@binjabreel

Haha yes. Someone once asked my instructor what to do if someone pulled a gun on you, and he said “You do whatever they want.”

Weatherwax
Weatherwax
3 years ago

@EJ (the other one)

It’s not news that you hate women… I suppose we should consider ourselves lucky that you aren’t whispering about how you heard that “they” are twelve feet tall, breathe fire, and have their faces in the middle of their chests.

What?! You mean… you mean we’re not? Dammit, cover blown!

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
3 years ago

Off topic a bit, but whoa.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/05/us/miss-america-swimsuit-trnd/index.html

No more swimsuit competition? That’ll make some boners sad.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
3 years ago

@Violet:
I think they think that sex is a measure of how they rank against other men. Like, if ten women have slept with them, two of whom are HB10s, then when they meet a man who’s slept with nine women, one of whom was an HB10s, they know that they have won the masculinity contest. It’s a form of high score chart.

I suspect that many of them will be disgusted and disappointed by the sex act itself, not least because it won’t be much like porn. They may experience what the podcast Word Funk referred to as “normal dick”, which I suspect they will blame on their partner.

@Weatherwax:
Well, no. You’re actually eleven feet tall, breathe lightning, and have awesome hair. See? Different!

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