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Incels hail Toronto van driver who killed 10 as a new Elliot Rodger, talk of future acid attacks and mass rapes [UPDATED]

Alek Minassian: The new Elliot Rodger?

UPDATE: The CBC has confirmed with Facebook that Minassian’s post declaring himself an incel and hailing Elliot Rodger is real. 

By David Futrelle

As I write this, it’s still not completely clear if Alek Minassian, the alleged driver of the van that killed ten pedestrians in Toronto yesterday in what appeared to be a very deliberate attack, is in fact a self-identified “involuntary celibate” trying to take revenge against the “Chads” and “Stacies” and other “normies” he blames for ruining his life — or if these reports are simply some sort of 4chan-style hoax.

But on the Incels.me forum, one of the more egregious hangouts for incels online, many are already hailing the alleged mass murderer as one of their own.

In an assortment of threads that popped up after the news media began to report on a supposed Facebook post from Minassian announcing that “the Incel Rebellion has … begun,” some of the Incels.me regulars are celebrating the killings and the alleged killer as “life fuel” for them and their nihilistic, misogynistic, misanthropic “movement.” (Click on the pics below to see the comments in context on Incels.me.)

 Letting Go SE Asia or bust - JoinedMar 12, 2018 Messages1,167 Yesterday at 9:53 PM#52 Bronzehawkattack said: I really want it to be true that the guy was an incel lmao I just want to find out that a bunch of Chads and foids were killed.

 KiryuKazuma Recruit - JoinedApr 8, 2018 Messages27 Today at 12:16 AM#2 Alek Minassian. Spread that name, speak of his sacrifice for our cause, worship him for he gave his life for our future. CopeWithTheRope CopeWithTheRope Officer - JoinedJan 2, 2018 Messages826 Today at 12:19 AM#3 Top fucking kek

 gstvtrp Modcel - JoinedNov 7, 2017 Messages1,701 Today at 12:21 AM#6 The message is getting out. We're mainstream now

Naturally, it didn’t take long for one of the regular commenters to adopt a picture of Minassian as his avatar.

 Garbage Veteran - JoinedFeb 16, 2018 Messages1,063 Today at 12:27 AM#17 the incel revolution has begun

But no one was quite so enthusiastic about the killings as the commenter calling himself BlkPillPres, who wondered if the killer had taken the advice he had given in a previous thread to use something other than guns in his “ER” — that is, Elliot Rodger-style — attack.

 BlkPillPres BlkPillPres Veteran - JoinedFeb 28, 2018 Messages1,089 Yesterday at 10:25 PM#61 If he is incel I wonder if he saw my thread TOP KEK - https://incels.me/threads/more-mass...od-thing-hopefully-er-rapes-will-begin.31789/ This shit right here is lifefuel for me and exactly what I was talking about, too many ER guys are using guns so its expected and they get taken down very quickly these days, not only that but having these killings only take place with guns makes normies feel safe. Since this guy used a vehicle now the whole "ban guns" spiel looks like retarded coping, you can't ban hatred, hatred is all it takes to go do a mass killing event. This is literally what I asked for, finally somebody breaking the mold, next up how about a guy who breaks into a condom vending machine at night, pokes holes in all the condoms and closes the machine. I would love to see the end result of that shit, pure lifefuel. So many normie males will get trapped in unwated lives ;) ER doesn't always have to be violent, it just needs to be strategic and punish normies in some way, they need to be in constant fear for EVERY ASPECT OF THEIR LIFE, killing normies from my perspective is kinda pointless but this is still good, I prefer acid attacks to mass killings though, wonder who is going to do a "mass acid attack". He will have zero kills to his high score but in my book he'd have beaten all the high scores by virtue of lives ruined and BLACK PILLS FORCED DOWN PEOPLES THROATS. All the normies who used to think "looks don't matter" will not get to test the theory lol.

Many in the media and in politics are unwilling to label attacks driven by misogynistic ideology as terrorism — often declaring them to be simply the result of “mental illness,” as many did in the case of Elliot Rodger’s murders (ignoring his hundred page manifesto), and as the authorities are already doing in the Toronto attacks.

But misogyny is not mental illness; it’s hate. And what BlkPillPres is talking about here is essentially the dictionary definition of terrorism — “[t]he unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.” The tactics he suggests are an explicit attempt to subject “normies” to “constant fear” — that is, terror — in all areas of their lives, in order to advance BlkPillPres’ goal of “black pilling” the world and intimidating those who criticize incels into silence.

Following his link back to the older thread, one quickly discovers that it is even more disturbing. In it, BlkPillPres sets out what he sees as the virtues of various terroristic strategies, from acid attacks to mass rape to vehicle attacks like the one we saw yesterday.  (If you are feeling at all fragile you may wish to stop reading this post right here.)

 BlkPillPres Veteran - JoinedFeb 28, 2018 Messages1,089 Mar 27, 2018#1 http://www.wkyt.com/content/news/He...threatening-to-kill-classmates-477916203.html I'm glad this shit is happening because I think mass shootings are too inefficient and pointless anyways, I want to see some mass food poisoning deaths, maybe a pipe bomb or two, or hopefully somebody finally uses a fucking truck to just ram down roasties during a school parade or something, mix it up a little. As more and more get stopped like this, sooner or later everybody will start getting the message, that mass shootings are obsolete, and they'll need to seek out less predictable methods of "going ER". What I can't wait for, the one I know is really going to fuck with normies, really punish society, is when the first incel mass rape/serial rape takes place, when a guy leaves a manifesto after killing himself detailing all the rapes he's done, that will be the best ER ever, because his victims don't just get to die, and their families don't just get to "move on". These women will be traumatized, some might kill themselves before or after their rape begins to get coverage, their families will have to endure the shame, etc that comes with this, the women will have to endure reliving the rape everyday, endure months to years of therapy sessions. Not to mention we will be spamming his image and memeing him into an immortal internet presence as we have for Elliot Rodger, they won't ever be able to forget, and society won't be able to either, and it is at that moment that normies will truly fear us, you see if we kill them then everyone gets to move on, and the ones left alive get to have to cope of "they're in a better place", but if we rape instead of murder for ER, they don't get to move on, they don't get these BS copes to ease their pain. Women fear rape more than death, because it is a many forcefully taking the only thing from her that makes her have worth, her sexuality, now imagine an incel raped you, and having the world know about it, chad won't even be able to look at his cheerleader GF the same after she's been defiled by an incel. ITS OVER for her dream life lol.

Others in the thread suggests that this all sounds great to them, with one aiming some of his ire at the IncelTears subreddit, which is devoted to criticizing Incels on Reddit and elsewhere.

 Apr 1, 2018#14 Deep down cucktears knows that if mass ERing happens, people will be afraid of mocking subhuman males. Humans have no empathy for men. Only fear sends a message. Facecel, heightcel, dickcel, ethnicel. ​ "Women are nothing but machines for producing children." - Napoleon Bonaparte "We won't kill you. We will just shoot your vagina. If there is no vagina, you would be useless." - Rodrigo Duterte King_of_morons King_of_morons Mineta wouldn’t be hated if he were a 6’4 chad. - JoinedNov 8, 2017 Messages276 Apr 1, 2018#15 The incel uprising is nigh.

Other commenters offer their own even more horrifying ideas.

yukreic Recruit - JoinedFeb 17, 2018 Messages6 Apr 8, 2018#16 look up flamethrowers on youtube. easy to make. don't know why everyone just uses guns. not effective against crowds. SaintMarcLepine SaintMarcLepine Thot Exterminator - JoinedNov 8, 2017 Messages1,490 Apr 8, 2018#17 Someone needs to get some acid, hook it up to a sprinkler and just spray concerts, festivals etc.

Like Ub2w, BlkPillPres is especially taken with the acid-in-the-face tactic.

 BlkPillPres Veteran - JoinedFeb 28, 2018 Messages1,089 Apr 9, 2018#39 Ub2w said: Rape? What some people need is an acid bath, enough to melt their face but not kill them, basically forcing them to live as truecels There should be a middle ground, rape them then acid face attack, because I don't get any enjoyment really by just fucking their looks up. If anything now its doubly more psychologically damaging, the last person to enjoy their beauty was by force, in a way you claimed a priceless treasure for yourself, you are the last person to enjoy and ravage their beauty before it is destroyed. Think I just found my MO if I become a rapist. Its like the reverse of the JBF (Just Be First) rule, JBL (Just Be Last) kek

“Kek.”

Sadly, as someone who has been writing about incels for several years now, none of this is surprising. Disturbing, yes, but not surprising. Incel is a hate movement, and it is long past time for it to be treated as such.

NOTE: The reaction amongst Reddit incels has been more measured; I may delve into that in a future post.

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Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
4 years ago

lau, but:

@AJ, you’re welcome. We all need a cat game now and again.

kupo
kupo
4 years ago

@WWTH

This guy self pityingly told two friends of mine (both women) that he had eyes the color of poop.

I dated a guy who thought this about himself because his mom always told him that. 🙁 🙁 No amount of insistence from me that I really did find his eyes beautiful would convince him, and he wore colored contacts to hide them.

Catalpa
Catalpa
4 years ago

… Maybe I just have an odd diet, but I’ve had poop of many different hues. “Eyes the colour of poop” gives me no idea what color those eyes are. I mean, some shade of brown, I would assume (or maybe hazel?). It sucks that people with brown eyes seem to get the short end of the stick when it comes to romantic comparisons of them, though. Brown eyes are beautiful.

Talonknife
Talonknife
4 years ago

Re: mental illness, about the only factor anything remotey similar to it played in this attack would be the sociopathy/psychopathy required to actually pull it off.

kupo
kupo
4 years ago

@Catalpa
In the case of the guy I’m talking about, they were brown.

Starfury
Starfury
4 years ago

I saw this in The Independent (UK newspaper)

Police said Rodger’s motivation was probably his involvement in the men’s activist movement, comprised of people who think women do not actually want gender equality but have been brainwashed by society and propaganda. Some of the activists believed women should be punished for their success or for rejecting them, as had happened with Rodger.

I don’t feel that adequately explains it but wondered what you folks thought?

Starfury
Starfury
4 years ago

Sorry, I completely missed off the first bit and then I missed the edit window

Another Facebook clue for investigators came when they found a page believed to be Mr Minassian’s. The user posted on the day of the incident: “Private (Recruit) Minassian Infantry 00010, wishing to speak to Sgt 4chan please. C23249161. The Incel Rebellion has already begun! We will overthow all the Chads and Stacys! All hail the Supreme Gentleman Elliot Rodger!” Police say it could have been a reference to a 2014 attack using a vehicle on the campus of the University of California Santa Barbara. Rodger shot and killed six people while injuring 14 before turning the gun on himself.

Police said Rodger’s motivation was probably his involvement in the men’s activist movement, comprised of people who think women do not actually want gender equality but have been brainwashed by society and propaganda. Some of the activists believed women should be punished for their success or for rejecting them, as had happened with Rodger.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/toronto-crash-latest-canada-attack-attack-alek-minassian-van-a8320631.html

Joe
Joe
4 years ago

I see these incels as entitled losers.

They are a very sick bunch. I

Kilgore Trout's Ghost
Kilgore Trout's Ghost
4 years ago

The internet makes it easier than ever before to radicalize people like this. Never before has it been so easy to find and consume so many bad ideas.

When I read about these kinds of stories, I can’t help but think about lines like this from Kurt Vonnegut’s ‘Breakfast of Champions’:

“As has already been said: Dwayne was a Pontiac dealer who was going insane.

“Dwayne’s incipient insanity was mainly a matter of bad chemicals, of course. Dwayne Hoover’s body was manufacturing certain chemicals which unbalanced his mind. But Dwayne, like all novice lunatics, needed some bad ideas, too, so that his craziness could have shape and direction.

“Bad chemicals and bad ideas were the Yin and Yang of madness.

“The bad ideas were delivered to Dwayne by Kilgore Trout. Trout considered himself not only harmless but invisible. The world had paid so little attention to him that he supposed he was dead.

“But he learned from his enocunter with Dwayne that he was alive enough to give a fellow human being ideas which would turn him into a monster.

“Here was the core of the bad ideas which Trout gave to Dwayne: Everybody on earth was a robot, with one exception – Dwayne Hoover.

“Of all the creatures in the Universe, only Dwayne was thinking and feeling and worrying and planning and so on. Nobody else knew what pain was. Nobody else had any choices to make. Everybody else was a fully automatic machine, whose purpose was to stimulate Dwayne. Dwayne was a new type of creature being tested by the Creator of the Universe.

“Only Dwayne had free will.

“Trout did not expect to be believed. He put the bad ideas in a science-fiction novel, and that was where Dwayne found them….

“It shook up Trout to realize that even he could bring evil into the world – in the form of bad ideas. And, after Dwayne was carted off to a lunatic asylum in a canvas camisole, Trout became a fanatic on the importance of ideas as causes and cures for diseases.

“But nobody would listen to him. He was a dirty old man in the wilderness, crying out among the trees and underbrush, “Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease.”

kupo
kupo
4 years ago

@Starfury
It’s practically advocating their stance.

Starfury
Starfury
4 years ago

Thanks, I couldn’t quite put my finger on why it bothered me so much, like they were downplaying it and giving a misleading account. I am really tired though

Bina
4 years ago

@Shadowplay, thanks. I’m not on Twitter very often, because Nazis, ugh. And trolls, ugh. But I’ll try and follow back.

Also, brown eyes, the “color of poop”? Uh, I have brown eyes. They’re beautiful. I can wear any eyeshadow color and not worry about it clashing. I love them. I’m proud of them. I call them the color of tea. Or Baltic amber. Or tigereyes. Or a forest pool with autumn leaves in it. Anything BUT poop, in other words.

Self-esteem: these guys no haz it.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
4 years ago

The Guardian actually has a relatively decent article making the link to incels: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/24/toronto-van-attack-facebook-post-may-link-suspect-with-incel-group

It doesn’t adequately express how horrific incels are (for instance it doesn’t mention the canonization of Elliott Rodger), but it’s still a MSM outlet talking about it.

Likewise, credit where credit is due, the Star has a front page article sorta kinda vaguely making the “Don’t blame mental illness” point. It doesn’t do a very good job of it, but it’s more than I expected. https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2018/04/24/autism-not-associated-with-violence-advocates-say.html

F is for Fro
F is for Fro
4 years ago

What made them leap to Mental Illness? Does he have a preexisting condition on record?

Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
4 years ago

@F is for Fro

Nah. It’s just an easy broom to pick up and sweep things away with.

R
R
4 years ago

I am SO TIRED of these pathetic creeps whinging on the internet about how “oppressed” they think they are. Ha, these fat, lazy spoiled sacks of s*** wouldn’t know oppression if it walked up to them and cut their dicks off.

I have more sympathy for a member of ISIS than I do for these entitled pricks!

(Apologies for the negative energy. I’ve just had enough of this idiocy and wish something could be done about it.)

Lillith
Lillith
4 years ago

Hi. I’ve just discovered this website. Is there a place for general discussion here? Or a getting-to-know you place?

Catalpa
Catalpa
4 years ago

@Lillith

There are open threads, sometimes. But mostly you can just jump right on in on the most recent threads.

Edit- ah, ninja’d

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

R,

I get the anger, and hate on incels as much as you like. But please don’t equate being fat with laziness or misogyny. It’s not about how incels look. They look like average normal guys. All shapes and sizes. The problem is their repugnant personalities.

Lillith,

Welcome! There aren’t specific threads for newcomers or anything. But most regulars keep up with all the active threads. So feel free to jump right in.

Shadowplay
4 years ago

Hi Lillith! Usually the open threads are good for that sort of thing (though most thread go general by the end of page two 😛 )

Ah – multi-ninja’d! 😛

@R

I have more sympathy for a member of ISIS than I do for these entitled pricks!

Same type of people. The grunts in ISIS I mean, not the ones directing. Not a hair’s breadth of difference – destruction of a target for the pleasure of it and nothing more. The nature of the target is pretty much irrelevant, as long as they can self justify.

brian
brian
4 years ago

wait, is there a new “pill” I didn’t know about? I’m familiar with the blue and red, of course, but what’s this “black pill”?

also, what’s this nonsense about feeling SAFE because killings are being done with GUNS? gun violence is fucking TERRIFYING. I don’t think I’d feel particularly less safe worrying about a rando trying to run me over with a van when I already worry about randos pulling out guns and shooting places up.

and as always when incels come up I remember that post that talked about how they believe someone trying to help an incel (with therapy, meds, etc) is a capital crime. they didn’t even argue it would be ineffective, just that it shouldn’t be done. like… what? I don’t even know what to say at that point.

it’s definitely terrorism, I think, but what’s weird is both their means AND their ends are terror. terror is both the method and the goal, since it doesn’t seem like they’re trying to get “normies” to actually DO anything, they just want to punish them for living lives that they believe are beyond their grasps.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Brian,

The black pill has been around for awhile. I think (although I could be wrong) that it was coined by a manosphere blogger who used to go by “Omega virgin revolt.” I think it just means that if you’re an omega male – lower even than a beta – you should be a misogynist because your unhappiness is the fault of horrible women who won’t let you sex them. It’s like the misogyny of red pill but without the pretending like you’re a crossfitter lifter who’s totes spinning multiple HB10 plates.

Bina
4 years ago

(waves hi to Lilith)

Pull up a chair and your beverage of choice, yo. Once in a while, David will post an open thread where people can just talk at random amongst themselves. Otherwise, the best thing to do is just discuss whatever topic you’re on. We don’t bite (unless you’re a troll, in which case some might use you for a chew toy.)

Welcome, and please enjoy your stay!

* * *

Back to topic: someone archived a copy of Minassian’s Facebook profile before it was taken down. Brrrr, it’s barren in there. And cold. But he does appear to use actual military jargon in there, too.

DawnPurityseeker
DawnPurityseeker
4 years ago

@Talonknife

“Re: mental illness, about the only factor anything remotey similar to it played in this attack would be the sociopathy/psychopathy required to actually pull it off.”

Not to start a fight, but I think we need to stop using personality disorders as a shorthand way of saying “this person is a jerk and I don’t like them”. Especially on the internet.

I just don’t get incels. What are they so bitter about? Why would dating and having sex solve any of their problems in life? Have these guys just never seen a real life relationship with all it’s ups and downs, or do they think that RL girlfriends are drama free? Because given how self-absorbed these guys are, they most likely would just be miserable in a relationship (or in bed) anyway.

Shadowplay
4 years ago

Nice find Bina!

Asked to leave after 16 days training … that’s interesting.

It usually means either incapable of reaching standard in an acceptable period of time, or a previously un-noticed physical or mental problem which will likely be made worse by further training. It very rarely (read almost never, unless the CO is incompetent) means disciplinary problems – those get you thrown out, not asked to leave.

It’s usually the previously un-noticed problem though, and there is zero shame/judgement attached to it. There’s a lot of problems (sorry, I’m not calling them disabilities in this case, because a lot of them are not in normal life) which are harmless that preclude military life, and the recruit is advised of this before they waste their time further.

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