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Ten Days Now: Election, etc Open Thread

Cheeto Jesus
Cheeto Jesus

So it’s ten days until the election now, and I cannot wait until this nightmare is over. Talk about it, or whatever else you want to talk about. No trolls, MRAs, Trumpkins, etc.

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kupo
kupo
5 years ago

He blew the whistle of his own accord. At best, he didn’t know what noise it’d make

I disagree. We had already talked to him about his use of the term Zionist. He knew exactly what he was saying and exactly what it communicated to us. He chose to use it because he disagrees with us that it shouldn’t be used and doesn’t care how that makes us feel. And after this meltdown where he tried as hard as he could to hurt us by calling us names I’d argue he did it specifically because he knew how we felt about it, but was confident he could get away with it.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
5 years ago

@Scildfreja
You’re cool. ‘Dark’ is fine 99% of the time, tho dogwhistlers can have a field day due to its ubiquity. If there’s something to avoid, it’s ‘black’ as a synonym for evil. That’s just not right… ever

@kupo
Oh, absolutely! In the best case, Hairt’s profoundly ignorant. In the worst, he’s a antisemitic asshole who gets his jollies from shocking our delicate sensibilities. *waves fan, faints*
We know he falls squarely into the latter category, but, even if you’re keen to defend Hairt for some reason and assume the best, he’s still a dismissive shit. So, yeah, totally agree. Sorry I wasn’t clear, my B 🙂

kupo
kupo
5 years ago

@Axe
You did say ‘at best’ so we’re actually in agreement. I just hadn’t had my coffee yet.

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

I mean, this isn’t a social justice 101 kind of community. If you’re not aware that misogynistic slurs and racist and anti-Semitic dogwhistles aren’t acceptable, you’ll either learn fast or your reception will be poor. This is a mocking misogyny site, not an issues that affect white men are the only important issues site. I’m honestly getting more and more annoyed at the notion that we have to hold brocialists to low standards and coddle them simply because they claim to be on the left.

White dudes are so mad they don’t get to be the kings of progressivism anymore, aren’t they?

Croquembouche of patriarchy
Croquembouche of patriarchy
5 years ago

@ Nick G,

Unless you’re saying the specific word “articulate” is frequently used in that way in American discourse. But it isn’t in the UK, so Gert may well have been unaware of it.

Yes, several people in a position to know have said the word is frequently used that way in the US.
Are you absolutely sure it isn’t in the UK?

I’m from Australia, and have not previously been aware of it being used that way here. Despite my love of the word, I’ve now put a moratorium on using it myself, until I know for sure. Because in retrospect it seems really fucking likely that it is being used here to superficially praise high achieving, tertiary educated, high public profile ATSI people, while damning the groups they come from.

EJ (The Orphic Lizard)

I’m honestly getting more and more annoyed at the notion that we have to hold brocialists to low standards and coddle them simply because they claim to be on the left.

White dudes are so mad they don’t get to be the kings of progressivism anymore, aren’t they?

This. Absolutely this.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 years ago

Nick, you are cut from the same cloth as Gert. People tell you things and your inclination is to argue about them. Someone points out problematic behavior, and you want to excuse it by speculating about motives. You are taking nothing on board whatsoever.

You haven’t called anyone a gendered slur yet, but that doesn’t make you better than Gert. It’s no wonder you’re defending the hell out of Gert: you see yourself in Gert’s reflection.

Gert was a troll so you consciously hitching your wagon to Gert’s makes me think that maybe you’re a troll, too. FYI, although I don’t expect you to take that on board any more than you’re taking anything else.

Number Sequence
Number Sequence
5 years ago

@PoM

Thank you for that. I’ve been looking around for this exact explanation of poll building for a few days now. The ABC/WaPo 12 point swing had completely bewildered me.

Another thing of note with polls was an article I read a few days ago about the fact that polls are typically conducted in English which can cause lower response from eligible voters for whom English is a second language. This can cause a skew due to lacking data on those groups.

@kupo

I agree. That person showed a lot of signs of resisting the idea that a word they’ve gotten used to using is a slur. “I don’t use it to mean that, so it’s not a slur,” “I know people who this would apply to who use it on themselves, so it’s not slur,” and, of course, “It’s not my fault for being offensive, it’s your fault for being offended.” I’ve seen this a lot with two specific words, and this person shows all the signs of continuing to be a shit about it, mostly in doubling down and trying to harm anyone with the audacity to correct him.

@Scildfreja

I just want to say it is fascinating to listen to you talk about rhetoric. I hope to get to that level one day.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 years ago

@Number Sequence

There are a lot of things that can confound telephone polls. Back in the day of landlines, polls wound up being answered mainly by retired people and middle-class housewives. Today many people with cellphones just don’t answer if they don’t recognize the number. Spanish language support is actually sometimes done, but getting people (especially young people) to pick up the phone at all is a major problem.

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
5 years ago

@Axe,

You’re cool. ‘Dark’ is fine 99% of the time, tho dogwhistlers can have a field day due to its ubiquity. If there’s something to avoid, it’s ‘black’ as a synonym for evil. That’s just not right… ever

I avoid “Dark” sometimes. Like, seeing people talk about “the dark heart of the jungle” makes me upset, ’cause that’s very deeply tied to racist colonial ideas. I’m lookin at you King Leopold. But, thank you!

@Number Sequence, aw, thanks :3 I found that my ability to sound-smart about all sorts of things really exploded when I started digging into AI and cognitive neuroscience for serious. (Note, that don’t mean I am smart). Working in the research lab has also been super helpful.

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

I’ve heard from more than one black person that black people usually don’t answer the phone. Whether there’s anything more solid anecdotes to back that up, I don’t know but it’s enough to make me curious if black voters are underrepresented in polls.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
5 years ago

@WWTH

I’ve heard from more than one black person that black people usually don’t answer the phone

^Not to generalize, but we really don’t

authorialAlchemy
authorialAlchemy
5 years ago

I read that third party voters will take away 5% of the vote. The race is too close, it can cause Trump to win!

And then I saw someone post a meme that implied that was the point, so that third parties might have a chance next election.

That is not a smart thing to do and it’s really got me on edge. I want the election to be over, bit what happens once it is??? Things WILL get worse if Trump wins. Immediately, it will be a disgrace to my country, long term, I have no idea but nothing good can come out of it.

All this ignorance and irresponsibility on a national scale is really scary and upsetting.

Austin Loomis
5 years ago

Since nobody seems to have brought it up in this thread, or indeed anywhere on this site, I just wanted to express my continued amazement at apparently being the only person to have noticed that Donald Trump is apparently trying to be (or become) a Chuwero. He has an asshole face, obviously, and I would not be surprised to learn that he participates in the coprophagic and coprolagnic practices of that imaginal ethnicity.

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