Sorry, manbabies, the real problem with the Ghostbusters reboot isn’t misandry but racism

I was disappointed by the trailer, pretty much for the exact reasons you stated. Moving past the OBVIOUS racial issues, the part I couldn’t believe was just how none of the jokes landed.

Fingers crossed that it’s just a case of a bad trailer, but my enthusiasm for the movie just dropped considerably.

…Winston Zeddemore was actually my favorite Ghostbuster…

(Been lurking foreva, hi everyone!!!)

So dude says that at least the original Ghostbusters weren’t fat. I seem to recall Bill Murray in 2 saying, “Suck in the guts guys, we’re the Ghostbusters.”

Repeat after me, shitlords: “No one has retconned my childhood. The original movies still exist, and I can go and watch them whenever. This movie doesn’t change history.”

Though, I would watch an all-male version of Little Women. Of course, pissbabies will cry about that too because there won’t be any explosions and there’ll be those dreaded “feelings” and things, and that the plot doesn’t revolve around violence or murder.

On the topic of the racism: Yeah, I’m also hoping this is a case of bad trailer, and not a case of “we didn’t learn from our past and are now doomed to repeat it”.

I had just watched the trailer before reading this. It just looked like a shot-for-shot remake of the original – and I’ve already seen the original many many times. I’ve no need to see it again with the actors swapped out.

I will reserve judgment until I see/know more, but yeah, underwhelming. I had hoped they would bring something fresh to an old favorite.

And this is all not even counting racism.

Ryan,
I’d believe your claim that your dislike of this movie has nothing to do with misogyny a little bit more if you didn’t use the word “feminazi” unironically.

Jae,
Ghostbusters will be arriving in theaters not only before the inauguration but well before the election. So even if it wouldn’t be a violation of the 1st amendment – not freeze peach, actual free speech violation! – President Trump will not be able to stop it.

Vox Day,
Louisa May Alcott did in fact write a sequel to Little Women called Little Men. Jo turns the large house she inherited from her grumpy aunt into a boarding school for poor and/or orphaned boys. Yes. Jo March, that evil feminist type of woman did more for fictional boys than any MRA ever did for real ones.

You might not have known about Little Men because it wasn’t turned into a movie. I would think an “author” would know about books that weren’t adapted into movies, but apparently not.

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So dude says that at least the original Ghostbusters weren’t fat. I seem to recall Bill Murray in 2 saying, “Suck in the guts guys, we’re the Ghostbusters.”

Welcome!

What I think you’ve forgotten is that to misogynists, only men who are quite obese are fat. Although I think they lower the fatness bar for feminist men. Women, on the other hand are fat if they are larger than a US size 2.

I’m hoping the full movie will bring out more of Patty’s municipal historian side, which sounds like a pretty fascinating thing:

http://www.nysm.nysed.gov/services/historian/winslowdoc.html

His childhood was *officially* raped! There were forms and everything. In triplicate. The notaries wept.

I’m thinking probably not as good as Ghostbusters but better than Ghostbusters II? Somewhere on a par with a good episode of Real Ghostbusters? Eh, you could do worse.

It’s funny how that one dude says he hates fat people, but Trump is an exception. Because of course he is.

As for the new Ghostbusters, it sounds like unfortunately they are doing the “token sassy black woman as sidekick” thing that has been done to death. Although it’s kinda hard to tell from just the trailer.

Besides that fact, the trailer itself doesn’t make the movie look very funny or appealing IMHO. I’m probably still going to see it though.

davidknewton | March 3, 2016 at 8:20 pm
If these people’s childhoods are erased, do they disappear from the world as adults? I kind of hope so.

Maybe it’s like a weird Butterfly Effect.

Maybe if they never saw Ghostbusters or became Ghostbusters Fans (which I doubt all of these people are, some of them just seem like they’re complaining because something they liked as a kid is now being “feminized” despite the fact they might not like it now) events would have changed, they wouldn’t have experienced certain things, and they would have different world views and they wouldn’t be massive misogynist shitheads.

Why… why is the childhood so sacred? This has to be part of the manbaby psychology; not only can we not put our toys away, we must defend them to the death. If you’re stuck in a romanticized past, it makes sense that you would wish nothing to change, critique, or add to that past.

This made me realize how pathetic these people are. I’m sad now.

Well it makes me feel old, I saw it at the cinema aged 20. These man babies who are whining about their childhoods seem more sexist than my generation. I wonder if it’s due to the ‘lad’ culture that permeated the UK (was it in the U.S. too?) while they were growing up in the 90s? In the 80s men were starting to become ‘new men’, helping their wives with childcare and housework (mine didn’t) and then we took a step backwards by making it acceptable for young men to act like overgrown kids. A blip I hope.

Did you guys have two-tone music in the late 70s/ early 80s? I think that helped against racism enormously in the UK. Although maybe it just displaced it from black (mostly West Indian) people to Asian (mostly Pakistani/Bangladeshi) people. Black London culture is so admired and cool that the cockney accent is disappearing to be replaced with the West Indian (Jamaican?) patois as the most common accent. Cockneys moving to Essex changed the Essex accent.

@iknklast

skinny stick people who look like they need a meal

Can we not body shame please? Just because fat people (myself included) get way more hate for their bodies than skinny people doesn’t mean it’s okay to shame skinny people. Or make assumptions about their health.

You know, I’m in the minority when it comes to Winston from the first Ghostbusters movie. I loved him, he was my favorite Ghostbuster. “When somebody asks you if you are a God, you say YES!”

But yeah, that was over 30 years ago and they could do more with Jones’s character. I hope they do.

I’m afraid I don’t remember Winston from the first film too well, except to note that Ernie Hudson got shafted hard when the film was put on video– back then no one seemed to want widescreen editions that I remember, so it was cropped for pan-and-scan– and he was cropped out of most every scene he was in unless he had dialogue.

All this mountain from the incorporeal molehill makes me want them to do Porkey’s next.

What I think you’ve forgotten is that to misogynists, only men who are quite obese are fat. Although I think they lower the fatness bar for feminist men. Women, on the other hand are fat if they are larger than a US size 2.

Bingo.

And of course, misogynists are therefore allowed — nay, OBLIGED — to hate them for it. Because they make misodge boners soooo saaaaaad. That’s the unpardonable sin of womanhood: Thou shalt please the boners of those who hate you, OR ELSE.

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Jones herself is in the movie, thus knows more than we do from a trailer. overall she seems to be defending the movie in the strongest possible terms.

Yelling “Who gives a fuck, it’s just a movie, you’re b***hing about nothing” at another WoC who pointed out her very fair concerns isn’t exactly defending the movie…

(I feel silly for specifying “Another WoC,” but I’m trying to avoid gotchas from lurking trolls.)

@weirwoodtreehugger – I had the same thought when I read vox day’s tweet. ‘Can we hope for an all male Little Women?’ he whines …. no need, vox, there already is one. It’s called Little Men. Idiot.

Aside from the ‘women can’t be funny’/’fat women definitely can’t be funny’ and the stupid overblown ‘rape of childhood’ stuff, I think this pic of ghostbuster costumes sums up another reason why they’re so annoyed:

http://images.halloweencostumes.com/blog/files/2011/7/ghostbusters-halloween-costumes.jpg

I also don’t like the movie because to me, it seems sort of like a cash-grab.

I can understand why it would seem that way. Hollywood almost never remakes beloved classics, especially when it’s only been 30 years.

@ ashara

What made me feel a bit old was when there was the original thread here about the “new” Ghostbusters movie and it took me a while to realise it didn’t mean Ghostbusters 2.

As for two-tone, there’s a really interesting discussion to be had there, if only to get nostalgic. Of course it’s not just the race aspect; there’s a whole debate to be had about what it meant about the changes in society and music when the Specials became Fun Boy Three.

Ha, I came here to see if you’d cover this. No disappointments.

I think the creators might plan to put a twist on this “sassy black woman” cliche, though.

Why? Well, besides the fact that the climate in Hollywood at the moment is very sensitive to racism (even more so, you’d think, for a “progressive” film), many of the shitty youtube commenters were berating the trailer for saying “four scientists,” not three as there (apparently–I haven’t seen the movie) are in the original.

Now, I’m just putting this out there to see if I’m right, but I bet Leslie Jones’s character will turn out to be the smartest of the four, or be a super-secret scientist who has to stay undercover or something like that.

It’s almost 3 in the morning and I’m basically here talking to myself, so why not continue:

Given the backlash this movie has received, I think they should do an SNL skit with “Malebusters” or whatever, where an all-female team tries to take out MRAs and misogynists on the internet. Cue stumbling into the portal (ie a basement), a proton pack that attacks with a stream of Proactiv, and, rather than slime, have to deal with men spewing Mountain Dew. And instead of Gozer the final antagonist is a giant Donald Trump.

The jokes might be a little too internet-insular for mainstream tv, though.