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From a post on the blog Omega Virgin Revolt:

Most women have never accused me of sexual harassment.  While a good number have generally speaking it’s an incredibly tiny fraction of the female population that has.
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Bob
Bob
11 years ago

>"Professors and writers, really? You want to go there, Bob?"How many of them identify as MRA…? 0. While all of the examples you can find of feminists are in fact feminists. A group someone *chooses* to belong to. Ah but I guess those guys who wrote that stuff were men and it's ok to lump all men together, even though one is born a man and, well, doesn't get to choose. The Patriarchy and all that nebulously defined stuff I guess justifies such a hypocritical distinction AND the hatred from feminists, I suppose. So yes, I want to go there. "Right, what they face instead is rape, public vilification and victimization at the hands of those who side with rapists. And that's actual PHYSICAL victimization."How abouts you link to some evidence of people publicly "siding with the rapists." Publicly viliyfing victims of rape. I challenge you to this.I think the closest thing you're going to pull out of your magic hat is something like a police officer who recently said that "dressing like a slut is risky behavior" who was thoroughly eviscerated in the media and forced to apologize because, well, I guess free speech is only something that applies to you and yours speaking something that has a nugget of truth in it is unacceptable and just victim blaming. Except when you do it against male victims (without offering any nugget of truth, even). Like you have for those falsely accused. Then it's not victim blaming because they… they… deserved it! Talking about hypocrites.The fact that that officer was so quickly forced to apologize after the ensuing shitstorm kind of all runs counter to these notions of things like "rape culture" I hear about from feminists, doesn't it. I mean, if we really lived in a "rape culture" why would you be able to strongarm that guy and cow him into making a public apology if everyone was complicit or approved of rape? Could it be because just about no one, including prisoners, the lowest of society's low, actually condone rape? Even prisoners think rapists are scum and treat convicted rapists the worst. Oh no, that would all make sense."I don't believe their prosecution was alright. I just believe that it's more accurate to characterize them as "fratboy douchebags" rather than as "boys". "Maaaybe you should gloss over what you wrote up a few hours ago. Let me jog your memory:"Also — those "boys" at Duke University were innocent of the rape, but they were neither morally innocent, nor were they "boys". Stop infantilizing what they did. Hiring a stripper and telling her to shove a broomstick up her vagina is a very grown-up thing. And that "joke" about masturbating while slicing a woman's skin off with a razor is a very grown-up "joke", to say the least."Here you are rationalizing the persecution because you believe them to be bad people.Also, why is it that 17, 18, 19, sometimes 20 year old females can be referred to as girls and that's ok but not 17, 18, 19, 20 year old males. Looks like you're just being manipulative with the language there.I bet your next response will be peppered with even more dismissive language and assertions of your own superiority in lieu of actual content. I can't wait.

David Futrelle
11 years ago

>Bob, if you remove the final slash from the link before, it works. You can also find it linked in the sidebar. But here's the link:http://www.manboobz.com/2011/02/factchecking-list-of-hateful-quotes.htmlIt's a little ironic that your one example of an easily verified evil feminist quote is a twenty year old quote from a Vassar vice president which is:1) not actually a quote from her (it was a paraphrase by a Time magazine writer) 2) not actually a quote from a Vassar vice president (she was an assistant dean). But questions of accuracy aside, what she is quoted as saying is certainly troubling, though we don't actually know the full context of her remarks. But here's the thing: Comins was one person. She was not/is not a prominent feminist; she's basically only known for this one quote, which isn't actually a quote. Google her. Most of the results are links to "hateful feminist quote lists." Can you find evidence that her view was or is widespread amongst feminists?At this point it's hard to come up with a list of evil quotes from prominent MRAs/MGTOWers because, er, there aren't really any prominent MRAs/MGTOWers. Warren Farrell is perhaps the most famous; he's got a whole host of disturbing quotes in his past, including some that basically celebrate incest. So instead I focus on the biggest MRA/MGTOW sites out there and, guess what, they are all rife with misogyny. I could probably keep this blog going with nothing but hair-raising quotes from The Spearhead alone. (Or A Voice for Men alone, or MGTOWforums alone.) I've posted nearly 300 posts in 8 months; most contain misogynistic quotes from MRA/MGTOW sites, usually a couple of quotes per post. In other words, that's hundreds and hundreds of quotes, and I only post a tiny fraction of the misogynist stuff I see. I also don't read more than a handful of MRA/MGTOW blogs/forums/etc every day, so I'm sure I'm missing thousands upon thousands of other quotes. And this misogyny is almost never challenged (except sometimes on Reddit, practically nowhere else); many of the worst comments on the spearhead get dozens of upvotes. On most feminist blogs, by contrast, man-hating shit gets called out. So if you want to use a 20 year old quote from one feminist assistant dean, or a bunch of quotes from Andrea Dworkin, to try to make the case that feminists today are more hateful than MRAs/MGTOWers today, well, good luck convincing anyone besides MRAs/MGTOWers of that.

Kendra
11 years ago

>Bob, the reason I doubt the Omega Virgin's claims of innocence is that he himself admits "a good number" of women have accused him of harassment. I usually (not always) believe the word of many people over the word of one person, especially if that one person creates a blog as ridiculous as The Omega Virgin Revolt. Rather than blaming all of his female coworkers for his work problems, it would probably be helpful if he did some introspection. I would have the same opinions if the situation was reversed, and a woman was accused of sexual harassment by many men.

Cassandra Mogyorody-Cosgrave

>I've got someone prominent on the MRA side. In fact he's very prominent. As far as I know, he does not himself identify as an MRA, but he is, however, one of their biggest heroes. The man I speak of is Alan Dershowitz, the Felix Frankfurter of Harvard University. Yes, the OJ lawyer.And, oh, I have quotes:http://shsf.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=34"The latest back-door assault on freedom of speech by some radical feminists has taken the form of an expanded definition of sexual harassment….""An accusation of sexual harassment is an extremely serious charge that should be reserved only for cases at the core. By extending the core concept to include verbal conduct [of a sexual nature] that has nothing to do with sexual favors, radical feminists are trivializing real sexual harassment"But speaking of trivializing sexual harassment… http://maxblumenthal.com/2010/05/dershowitz-goes-to-tel-aviv/“Any professor who punishes a student for not agreeing with his controversial opinion is guilty of academic harassment, which is a variant on what we all would agree is an academic violation, namely sexual harassment.”http://www.sherryart.com/women/scala.html"Alan Dershowitz…argued that Ms. Bowman was a public figure because she was a candidate in a union election, and that the collage [depicting Ms. Bowman's face pasted onto a naked woman] was a political statement protected by the First Amendment."

Cassandra Mogyorody-Cosgrave

>On Omega Virgin Revolt…am I the only one who finds his tag-line rather frightening and revealing? I mean how exactly is an omega virgin to "FIGHT BACK" if not to sexually harass women or worse?

snobo
snobo
11 years ago

@ladyraine | April 23, 2011 at 10:04 pm

Yet, certain kinds of men seem shocked when those things are offensive to women.

What I love is how guys who regularly harass women in the ways you describe are shocked and offended when they witness another guy doing the same to their own sisters, girlfriends, or daughters.

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