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Toronto police investigating PUA who posted video saying a woman should be “stabbed and cut up into tiny pieces”

Screenshot of what appears to be xsouldeath's Twitter account
Screenshot of what appears to be xsouldeath’s Twitter account

Well, this is pretty freaking disturbing. Metronews.ca reports that

Toronto police are looking closely at video of a Toronto pick-up artist who filmed himself muttering about stabbing a girl who turned him down. … 

“She deserves to f**kin’ like stabbed and cut up into tiny pieces for that s**t,” he says. “Like, I would f**king take her and her boyfriend and all her f**king friends down. F**king worthless pieces of s**t. She thinks she’s all that, just because she has the looks and s**t. I’ll show all these little bitches one day.”

In a second clip, [“xsouldeath”] appears to try to purchase a knife from a grocery store.

After news of this began to spread, someone who described himself as

E.J., the head coach of TdotPickup, a group that holds PUA bootcamps and coaching in the Yonge and Dundas area, called Metro Monday evening after speaking with xsouldeath. He said some of his comments had been misunderstood.

“This whole thing about getting them back, all he was talking about is basically getting them back by getting a really good-looking girl and rubbing it in their face,” he said.

Apparently, there is some mysterious language that resembles English in which “she deserves to f**kin’ like stabbed and cut up into tiny pieces for that s**t” actually means “rubbing it in their face.”

As for talking about stabbing a woman and cutting her up, E.J. said xsouldeath is not the type of person to do that.

So reassuring.

The video in which xsouldeath talks about looking for a knife at a grocery store was taken out of context, E.J. said. “Basically the whole reason he was asking for this knife was to find the cutlery section and they were not really understanding the English,” he said.

And then there was this plot twist:

Update:  xsouldeath, the creator of the YouTube videos, appears to be EJ, the head coach of TdotPickup.

Creepy as hell.

While xsouldeath’s YouTube channel has been taken down, what appears to be his Google+ profile is still up (I’ve archived it here). In addition to posts about his own videos and a wide assortment of popular Youtube “prank” videos, xsouldeath posts videos from other PUAs as well as from antifeminist “philosopher” and self-described Men’s Rights Activist Stefan Molyneux and from obsessively antifeminist Youtuber Bane666au, whose frequently hour-long videos feature him as a talking skull in a pitcher of Koolaid.

What appears to be his Twitter account has been made private.

On the Toronto subreddit, meanwhile, someone  writes:

I’ve known this person since High School. There are some stories I would rather not share about him on this page to save him dignity. But he needs Help. I am just really creeped out to approach him anymore.

I’ll post more later as the story develops.

211 replies on “Toronto police investigating PUA who posted video saying a woman should be “stabbed and cut up into tiny pieces””

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)says:

@BritterSweet

You’re very, very late.

I’m not sick of explaining why! I mean, I know I’m a relative newcomer, but people don’t maliciously say “crazy” when they’re commenting – it’s a habit, and one that I’d never even thought about before people here gently said I was saying something offensive to them.

What got me to reconsider using it was that in addition to it cheapening people with actual mental conditions, it implied that the things said by the people David posts about were due to some sort of unavoidable disability, something which “being a colossal arsehole” isn’t classified under.

I don’t normally mind explaining to anyone who is genuinely curious. The connection between language (an ephemeral thing) and physical harm (a persistent thing) is not necessarily obvious. Sometimes I get tired, and I have zero patience for people who feel like their convenience in not having to rephrase or restructure their sentences outweighs the concrete harm that mad people suffer as a consequence of the elision of madness with bad behavior. Normally, however, I don’t mind it.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)says:

@BritterSweet

Today hasn’t been a great day to enjoy reading something without ableism.

@Bina: Oh hell, what creepers! I’d have to restrain myself from socking one of those skeevy dudes in the nose for invading my space. Glad the mall put a stop to it before they did some sort of slime ball flash mob.

Yeah, the Eaton Centre is good about this sort of thing. They have to be. A few years ago, there was a gang shootout there, and several innocent bystanders shopping at the mall were hit. Things like that are terrible for business in the downtown core, and I’m sure the security team were eager to make sure nothing like this ever happened again.

I should also add that here in Canada, making threats of violence is a crime in itself, and no, the onus is not on the victim to “take it the right way”, i.e. not seriously. And covering for a criminal is also a crime. So, this dude and his PUA coach (assuming they’re not one and the same fella) are both criminals. Feel proud, creepers!

Just because someone like him should be put away, doesn’t make him mentally ill. It makes him a threat to public safety. This isn’t mental illness, this is male entitlement plain and simple.

Threatening to stab someone because they are in a relationship is way over the top, don’t you think? I personally feel the police should monitor this guy so he doesn’t make good on his threats.

And I agree with the others here. He is another Elliot Roger in the making.

And this is why I carry bear mace almost everywhere I go.

Also, on a happier note (and only slightly OT because Lea posted a gif of it): the Clue movie is a blessing of a cinematic experience and everyone needs to go watch it and all of its endings (There’s three!).

I’m glad the police are taking this seriously. I hope this is a wake-up call for him and he manages to rid himself of his toxic ideas and entitlement… But failing that, that he is prevented from harming others.

@Lynn

I could be wrong, but I think people were criticising you calling him a “nut case”, not your wish for him to be put away.

@Lynn

I believe the comment was made because of your statement that this guy is ‘fucking Nuts’

Bina-I am glad Canada has got such a strong stance on threats of violence. It is something that other countries should learn from. *cough cough* America *cough cough*. I know people are probably tired of having the finger pointed at America, but America does not have a good track record of taking online threats seriously. Just look at happened with Elliot Rodger. If violent online rants were taken more seriously, that massacre would not have happened.

weirwoodtreehugger-I absolutely HATE that, too. It not only adds to the already strong stigma attached to mental illness, it excuses the behavior of these killers. Also, it enables people to ignore the pattern of entitlement and misogyny that are the real cause of these horrific acts. It is also very racist. If a white person does something horrible, that person is mentally ill and it is an ‘isolated incident’. If a black person does something horrible, that person is an evil monster and ALL black people are evil monsters. It is disgusting.

I’m just glad the police are actually investigating him. Someone shouldn’t have to get hurt before threats of harm are taken seriously.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)says:

CUPCAKE TEDDIES OMIGOD.

wordsp1nner, is that the latest installment of the Cube films?

@misseb47

There’s the other half of the stigma attached to mental illness as well. The idea that it’s not an actual illness. I know I’ve gotten the dread ‘cheer up’ from people who know I suffer from depression but just can’t grasp there is an actual physical component which distiguishes depression from ‘I feel depressed’.

And then of course there’s the always lovely ‘you’re just weak/looking for attention’ when it comes to suicidal ideation.

Considering these facts, jumping the gun and saying he is just an asshole can be just as damaging because if it turns out he does have a problem, dismissing him that way is just as bad.

And no, I’m not saying that this guy couldn’t be an evil souless bastard.I’m kind of hoping he’s not, though. Because mental illness can be treated, it can be managed. Thete’s no treatment for real evil.

*There’s no treatment for evil…

Damn autocorrect doesn’t work when you need it, then works when you really don’t.

Bina-I am glad Canada has got such a strong stance on threats of violence. It is something that other countries should learn from. *cough cough* America *cough cough*. I know people are probably tired of having the finger pointed at America, but America does not have a good track record of taking online threats seriously. Just look at happened with Elliot Rodger. If violent online rants were taken more seriously, that massacre would not have happened.

Yup. That’s why I’m definitely NOT a free-speech absolutist. Too much angry, threatening yarglebargle and stochastic terrorism slips through the cracks. And FHRITP, while those who do it may think it harmless and funny, actually makes for a toxic work environment if you’re a broadcast reporter who has to hear that shit a dozen times a day…especially while female.

Oh, and it’s been found that “E.J.” and this souldeath dude are one and the same criminal. Let the arresting begin…

@policy of madness and others

I found this site this year and I have been lurking on this site for a while now. While I have consistently found the content interesting, I find that this site has a very complicated relationship with ableist language. My first encounter with ableism as an idea was a year ago and I found it very interesting because it challenges language that is very engrained into our culture and vocabulary. It makes us think about where certain terms come from and who it was meant to casually disparage. However, I have noticed that that the very mention that a person may be mentally ill as well as misogynistic meets with the cry of abelism and the conversation is then not allowed to have nuance; the individual(s) being discussed may only be recognized as being misogynist.

This is problematic for me because it flouts reality. People have an idea in their head about what “normal” behaviour looks like. This is mediated and informed by societal expectations. Of course, this perception of behaviour exists on a spectrum because you can recognize an individual’s behaviour as strange but not be threatened by it. However, when this behaviour falls outside of the realm of what someone considers “normal” they begin to suspect that something else may be at play. This is also problematic because when you shut down someone’s attempt to ascribe someone’s behaviour to multiple sources you inhibit their attempt to think critically about the information that they have been given.

The truth is that the picture is not always clear. Someone may be prone to misogynistic beliefs as a result of their mental illness or someone can already be misogynistic before they experience mental illness, or they may just be an asshole with no forms of mental illness. I don’t like the idea of shutting someone down for mentioning any of these scenarios because any one of them are possible. To be clear, I am not advocating for specific diagnoses made by people who are not qualified to make them. I am only advocating for accepting nuance.

You argue that mentioning mental illness will encourage a negative conception of people who are mentally ill. However, I accept that mental wellness/illness is a part of life. We all deal with it to some extent; of course, some more seriously than others. It is especially hard to see our loved ones struggle. I don’t think we should ignore it as a mediating variable when confronted with evidence of questionable behaviour.

I will confess to not knowing exactly what I hope to achieve here. I guess I just wanted to point out how your conception of ableism may actually be harmful to discussion. I suppose I am just seeking for a way that someone can actually refrain from using language that is ableist while also fostering discussion.

@David Futrelle:
It’s better than Cube 2: Hypercube was.

@Penny:
Depression sucks. Please accept my hugs (or best wishes if you dislike touching) and I hope it’s manageable.

Penny-Depression is really awful and I really hate it when people who are supposed to be our loved ones completely disregard and invalidates our feelings when we really need their support. *internet hugs* My favourite ones that my father spouts is ‘stop being so full of shit!’ and ‘stop being so weak minded!’ as if it is just a switch that needs to turned off (and he wonders why I don’t talk to him about anything or go to him for emotional support). Such disregard and invalidation makes me really angry some times. >:-( You are right in pointing out that this is the hidden stigma attached to mental illness. However, the reason using ableism to describe people who commit horrific acts is not tolerated on this blog, is because the people who commit these acts are not depressed, suicidal, or mentally ill. Nor are they just arseholes. They commit such atrocities because of entitlement, self righteous rage and hatred. Such people also display a complete disregard for the lives of others, which is a ‘quality’ that is not shared by the depressed or suicidal. Depressed and suicidal people care about others and have empathy, people like Elliot Rodger and Andreas Lubitz, do not. Ableism only adds to the misconception that the mentally ill are violent. It is wrong to lump these people with those who are genuinely are mentally ill, because the mentally ill are the least likely to commit violent acts and are in fact more likely to be victims of violence. I agree that brushing off depression is a totally awful thing to do and that depression needs to be taken MUCH more seriously, but mental illness and depression should never be associated with violence and atrocity.

Hugs and kisses to all the people who are truly mentally ill, sucidal and/or has depression and anxiety.

Considering these facts, jumping the gun and saying he is just an asshole can be just as damaging because if it turns out he does have a problem, dismissing him that way is just as bad.

No one is saying he definitively does not have a mental illness. The facts, however, are that we can’t know either way, but we know for certain that he is an asshole.

It is possible to take a neutral or silent stance on any possibility of mental illness and make no statement on it whatsoever. That is the best thing to do, and what I am asking. We can say he’s an asshole, a misogynist, and a dangerous individual, because his actions have demonstrated these traits. Speculating on his mental health is not helpful, and adds nothing positive to the discussion. There’s no need to bring it up at all.

Well, just like was obviously the case with Elliot Rodger, all this guy obviously needs is Game!

Oh.

*DISCLAIMER: Yes, I know that if this piece of recycled dog chew went through with his threats, obviously all other PUAs would go all No True Scotsman. So, you know, whatevs.*

Let’s see if he becomes a MRA martyr like Elliot Rogers. My money’s on no, because he isn’t white.

I can’t decide if that’s a good thing or not.

Well, obviously his problem was that he didn’t open with that line. “Hey Girl, I’ve never seen anyone as hot as you. Just give me a chance. If you turn me down, I’ll be so heartbroken that I’ll probably fantasize about cutting you into little pieces”.

Who could say “No” to that?

@everybody

Understood, for me it’s just making sure people who ate suffering are identified amd helped. And for some reason this case brings to mind what happened with Virginia state Senator Craig Deeds, who lost his son when Gus attempted to murder him, then committed suicide. The rub: Gus Deeds was supposed to be in a hospital because he was having a mental health crisis. He wasn’t because the state of Virgina didn’t have a bed for him.

what happened there comes to mind because, in the US, at least, our safety nets for mental health preventitave care, and those in crisis suck shit, if you’ll pardon my language, and far too many fall through the cracks until something terrible happen to them or to others because of them.

I get worried when we drop any label, it just makes too convenient and pat. And it’s hard to roll it back when that does happen.

Maybe this is overthink on my part, along with experience with the mental health system. I saw guys like this when I was in for treatment.

If a dude is so angry, entitled and just plain desperate that he fantasises about killing those who reject him, the aura of his attitude is probably seeping from his every pore and that’s what’s causing women to reject him.

We keep telling whiny PUAs this all the fucking time. They never listen.

The posters here who don’t wish to acknowledge the mental problems of a person who is **threatening to cut someone up** must have a really strange combination of prejudices. Here is the thing, I’m not a doctor, but if I see someone covered in spots, vomiting, etc. etc. I can be pretty certain that they are not well.
For that matter, if we are not trained sociologists, or anthropologists, or moral philosophers are we allowed to comment on whether someone is an “asshole”?

People seem to be using the word entitlement to mean “wanting to do something”. As such entitlement is both the root cause of all our problems, and an utterly uninformative term.

If a dude is so angry, entitled and just plain desperate that he fantasises about killing those who reject him, the aura of his attitude is probably seeping from his every pore and that’s what’s causing women to reject him.

Exactly. That much intense creepiness is readily detectable, and frankly fucking scary. No wonder nobody was interested. The natural human impulse is to get away from that as fast and as far as one can, for one’s own safety.

And just think, this guy’s also a PUA coach. Meaning, he’s looking to make money passing that never-take-no-for-an-answer creepitude along to OTHER guys. So that makes him doubly dangerous.

As for his mental condition, that’s for a court-ordered psychiatrist to determine when he’s arrested, as part of the process to find out whether he’s fit to stand trial. At this point, it is a question of WHEN, not IF, he gets arrested, because it’s obvious that this guy is a danger to the public.

My money’s on no, because he isn’t white.

Well, he does have a darker complexion than some white folks, but his apparent twitter profile says he’s a Portuguese guy, and Portugal is a part of Europe. Technically speaking, he might be considered more white than Rogers, who was mixed race.

@Catalpa

Amazing how people get over the amount of pigment in one’s skin, huh.

Only people who should get teased for skin color are those who use bad spray on tan.

I have an anecdote from prior to the Eaton Centre shootings, where I helped a stranger who was shopping for shoes and being harrassed by a random dude. We were able to get the store to call security, and even though we said that’s what we were going to do, he was still hanging out on the next level of the mall where he could still see into the shop and waiting for the girl to walk out so he could follow her. Very creepy! The good news is that security took it seriously and sent two officers to speak with him while two others escorted her to her car.

Something that even many Canadians don’t understand (since we’re innundated with US culture and media) is that free speech rights are more curtailed in Canada than in the US. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_in_Canada Police and the government have much greater lee-way in what is and is not protected speech. So far it hasn’t gone too badly off the rails for us, or when it has it’s been corrected for, so I’m still in favour of the Canadian stance.

HE’S PORTUGUESE?!?!

Goddamnit, you asshole, get the fuck out of my ethnicity!!

Though, ugh, their particular Latin flavor of chauvinism, plus the shittiness of pickup artistry. Two horrible tastes that are worse together!

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/canadas-law-on-hate-speech-is-the-embodiment-of-compromise/article22520419/

And I found a much better article explaining the tension of different rights and freedoms – specifically on Canada hate speech laws, but worth a read if you’re interested. key quote:

First, our constitution protects not only free expression, but multiculturalism and equality as well. So to read the constitution holistically, we cannot permit one protected freedom to undermine other rights and freedoms enjoying equal status.

Penny

Understood, for me it’s just making sure people who ate suffering are identified amd helped.

Thing is, you don’t know anything about this person that tells you they have a mental health problem. You’re just saying “well it’s possible.”

I really don’t get this shit. What the actual fuck is so hard about not drawing conclusions about someone’s mental health when you know nothing at all about them except what you read in a single blog post? Actual fucking doctors sometimes need many visits in person with a patient to diagnose them. People go misdiagnosed for fucking YEARS despite having access to mental health professionals. But you’re gonna read a blog post and go “it’s really important that speculate amongst ourselves about this person’s mental health based on no expertise whatsoever because that’s going to have some effect on whether mentally ill people are able to get treatment.”

Just fucking stop it.

All religious persecution
Every holocaust
Every war
Every rape
Every murder
All slavery
All bigotry

If you have to be mentally ill to commit atrocities then all of humanity is sick and the distinction “mentally ill” is meaningless. Absurdly evil things happen everyday. The most evil people in the world are convinced of their mental and moral superiority. History is written by the successful oppressor. Calling that madness others. It absolves the apathetic and complicit of guilt and responsibility. So, let’s don’t. Let’s own it because until we do, nothing will change.

Goddamnit, you asshole, get the fuck out of my ethnicity!!

Well, I have to share an ethnicity with Anders Breivik. So it could be worse. At least I’m only a quarter Norwegian though!

Re this guy’s being Portuguese: there is racial diversity in Portugal, so it’s quite possible he is both Portuguese and not white.

Are we going to have to write out a full list of regulars with mental illnesses before random people stop with the ableist assumptions and constant refusals to adhere to what might be the simplest rule on the Internet? If so, I’m down.

Hi, I’m M., aka SFHC, and I have schizoaffective disorder – that is, both bipolar II and schizophrenia – and Asperger’s (which I personally don’t consider to be an illness or a disability, just a difference, but other people do), the three big uh-ohs according to the media. You might notice that I’m not an angry, hateful, rapey, murderous asshole.

Actually we’re one of those ethnic groups that gets considered “white” as long as there’s browner people around to be “not white”. So here in California, we’re white, we own land, we run the dairies, etc. But in New England or Northern Europe, we’re the dishwashers and bakers and fishermen.

It’s an interesting sociological effect.

I think people are so eager to diagnose mental illness in these cases because they’re desperate to believe that behavior like this can’t come from a “normal” person, because cognitive dissonance is a bastard.

Hi Binjabreel. Not sure if your comment was in response to my previous comment, so just to be sure, thought I should clarify. I know that European ethnicities can be difficult sometimes for USians to get. It’s the difference between being “ethnically X” and “X by birth.” Sometimes it seems as if it’s not recognised that many Europeans are Black, of Asian ancestry, etc.

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