Categories
manginas MGTOW

Science Proves that Men Going Their Own Way Don’t Go Anywhere, Really

mgtowscreencap
I highlighted that one big word.

If you ever wonder what a bunch of dudes who are Going Their Own Way and totally don’t give a good gosh darn about women, nosireebob, like to talk about the most on their special Men Only No Girls Allowed We’re Totally Going Our Own Way forum, well now you don’t have to rely on the comments I so cavalierly cherry pick from their forum.

Nope, I just realized we can use SCIENCE, in the form of the tag clouds that the site puts above the various subforums, to SCIENTIFICALLY see what they talk about. If you cast your glance upwards, for example, you’ll see the tag cloud for the most active forum on the site.

Seems like these Men Going Their Own Way haven’t gone very far, huh?

I’m guessing the National Organization for Women spends less time talking about women than they do.

EDITED TO ADD: If you would prefer to hear this post read aloud by an actual Man Going His Own Way, one of them has helpfully prepared this video. It’s an uncanny impersonation, by the way. They showed me, I guess!

258 replies on “Science Proves that Men Going Their Own Way Don’t Go Anywhere, Really”

>Men’s place in a society involves their relationships to women and men who have an insecure relationship to women are, by and large, marginalized.

Ah, I remember that time when men were barred from holding certain poltiical positions before they had married and founded a household of their own.

Ah, 1400s Munich, how I miss thee.

First, we sound so much alike!

More importantly, has anyone clicked on the link to the MGTOWer website? They have one article about Obama, one about Thatcher, and two about Ron Jeremy. What kind of nonsense website is that?

So, according to Asher, before the welfare state we had the..prostitution state? And that was…better? Somehow? Assfax indeed.

There are a noticeable amounts of MGTOW’s who are basically whingey bitches who havet cut off their nose to spite their face. However representing the whole movement that way is stupid.

MGTOW is not necessarily about totally cutting women out of your life. Cutting off serious connection to women, maybe. On what grounds could you mock such a decision. A lot of young men are following that path these days, they look at the failures of their parents generation and decide not to follow such a path.

The options are to go the traditional route and risk everything. I can find a decent wife, at least she seems decent at first. Get myself legally attached to her. Have children. After a few years she starts to feel safe enough in the relationship to start unleashing her deep seated princess complex. She has unreasonable expectations of her man. She expects him to keep working his back side off to earn a good wage and draw the prestige he gets from being successfull. She and the children get almost all the reward for his toils, virtually none of his effort gets spent on treating himself. Any attempt to do so is criticised as greed. She also expects him to satisfy her emotional needs which he is unable to do for lack of time and energy. Some one in the relationship starts to crack, statistically it will probably be the woman and either starts to have an affair or goes for divorce straight up. The man is then forced to give up most of the assets he has spent the last 15 years acquiring and give up a large chunk of his future earnings. This is a serious probability with the MAJORITY of marriages going down that root these days.

ORRR he can never get himself tied down to one woman. He has casual relationships for the rest of his life with multiple women getting what ever he needs from them and releasing them whenever it starts getting out of hand. He will probably have little trouble keeping a consistent flow of women entering his life as long as he is reasonably charistmatic because he will inevitably be 10x more exicting than the average man because he will have his entire healthy wage to spend on doing awesome stuff and generally getting more done in a year than a family man does in his entire life. If he doesnt even want casual relationships that is fine because its not exactly hard to have flings so his sexual needs are always covered.

Easy choice for me and most other young guys with half a brain and something to loose by getting tied down.

I…what? My ex-FWB (note the ex, it’ll be important later) is the later sort, and awesome, respectful, kind, caring, all those things we never EVER see from MGTOW. Now, the ex part? He’s ditched poly and casual sex with any interested person (ok, that isn’t quite true, dude does have standards, but horn dog alert!)…for a monogamous relationship with a lovely woman that he seems quite happy with.

Point here? There are awesome respectful people who have casual sex and multiple sex partners but then decide to be monogamous with someone (personally? That’s how I started dating rapist ex #2 so yeah, I’ll pass on the “meh, yeah I can do monogamy if you want” but hey, to each zir own!)

And you Andy? You do not strike me as an awesome person who enjoys having multiple people to enjoy sexytimes with, you strike me as someone who hates women and just wants to use them for sex. In which case, get a fleshlight.

(I’m all pruney, but the sump is all rinsed, now to put it in place and measure for the plumbing [building a wet/dry sump filter for my little puffs, since they’re going to need WAAAY more filtration but I haven’t had good luck with anything that they can be sucked into, hence the sump with a skimmer intake])

Hahaha wow.

On family budgeting:

She and the children get almost all the reward for his toils, virtually none of his effort gets spent on treating himself.

And the children, huh? You realize kids need things to survive, right?

On division of assets after divorce:

The man is then forced to give up most of the assets he has spent the last 15 years acquiring and give up a large chunk of his future earnings.

Not sure how he is forced to “give up” assets since they weren’t his assets to begin with, they were theirs? Also, kids need things to survive even when you don’t live with them anymore!

Also two things: Thing 1) do you understand that single-income families are actually pretty rare? Like, there are all sorts of marriages and most of them don’t look like the one you are describing. Thing 2) Like Kittehs said, nobody actually cares about your relationship status.

@Viscaria
Yeah, they do get confused on that “mine” versus “our” assets. They seem to think that everything belongs to them, and if they get divorced they have to give up half of ‘their’ stuff. Conveniently forgetting that their partner was there helping them to get all the stuff.

And if you’re in a relationship where you are unhappy because you never get anything for yourself, but your partner always does, that means you have an unhealthy, unequal relationship, not that no relationship with any woman could ever be healthy and equal.

If you are self-sacrificing to the point of never getting/doing anything for yourself and it’s making you unhappy, then that is unhealthy behaviour and you need to learn to care for yourself better. It doesn’t mean that every woman, or even most women, are emotional/financial vampires.

Misogynists in general adhere to the “what’s mine is mine and what’s yours is my own” principle for themselves, and get way whiney if they think a woman might have things of her own. They’d probably like to take things back before the Married Woman’s Property Act of 1882 if they had ever heard of it.

True enough I suppose!

In random things, I am far too achy for having done absolutely nothing for New Years (well, besides swapping sticky posts for the Borg, but five min of typing hardly counts!) Someone please come put my neck back in order. Ow, it’ shard to brush waist length hair when turning your head hurts.

MaudeLL – seems to me your are a troll. What complete and utter tosh you write! Bizarre! Almost fell off my seat, snorting like a pig.

Oh, get over it, people. Men are and have always been oppressed and much worse than women. Women just sit around their lazy bums, occasionally abort an unwanted fetus, and watch TV. The ideal that women have ever been oppressed at any stage is history is ludicrous. Ladies, stop your pity party – it’s totally dishonest and really, really lame. Women are the real oppressors. How do I know? Coz I AM a woman, stupid. I oppress men and I’m ashamed of it. But, yet, I’m lucky too. Coz my big lady garden gets me freebies no man could ever dream of!

What are women so dishonest? I dunno. I guess we want the gravy train to keep on rolling!

Forgot to mention – women should get nothing in a divorce. The idea that a wife helped a man get his wealth is ridiculous! The person who earned the money should get to keep it. Alimony and compulsory child support are nothing more than legalized slavery and are a violation of the US constitution and basic human rights. I believe child support payments should be tied to minimal wage/welfare payment. It should be capped. Everyone should pay the same amount i.e. the kids of rich dads get the same allowance as the kids of paupers. And mother should be forced, by law, to pay 50% of the determined child support amount. This would discourage sluttish, selfish and arrogant women i.e. every female in America, from divorcing men for trivial reasons. Gay marriage didn’t kill marriage, people – it was the rabid greed of our womenfolk.

*applauds Heidi* That was a pretty impressive parody of a barely-literate idiot who knows nothing of history, law, economics, or reality in general, and has no idea how to construct an argument.

Down with the womenfolk! Why can’t they be less feevil?

(Female and therefore evil. I felt like misogynists needed a shorter way to express the idea, given how wordy they tend to be.)

Aren’t “Dudes Going Their Own Way” the kind of loser creeps with the median look of a Steve Buscemi lookalike anyway?

This a powerful emotion that which of psychological rationalization. They pretend to reject women before women reject them because they’re either too ugly or their standards/entitlement are out of touch with reality.

They…they do know girls secretly thank them and that they’re not actually getting back at them, right?

Er, rationalization isn’t an emotion. It’s a coping mechanism. O_o Also, a dude can be ugly by traditional standards and still be a wonderfully attractive person, while there can be total asshole MGTOWs who by normal standards would look very good. (Until you get a hit of their personality.)

Most MGTOWs I’ve seen are about average looking. They torpedo their romantic chances by having the ugliest personalities ever, and it doesn’t take much scratching to reach the vein of repugnance, either.

I do think the point about them having unrealistic expectations based on entitlement is valid, but the thing is, it’s possible to have unreasonable expectations no matter how good looking you are. If a guy is above average looking but not stunningly hot or famous and insists that he will only date Victoria’s Secret models, that’s still an unrealistic expectation.

Honestly, why the hell do you even care about MGTOW? We are simply a group of guys that no longer want to play your game, or lose half (or more) of our assets once you decide (after watching Oprah) that you are dis-satisfied and divorce us. I think you women simply don’t like ANY criticism, and are horrified to learn that you are “not all that and a bag of chips”.

Honestly, what do you bring to a marriage other than your vagina? If I am misogynst, then so be it.

Chester, we really don’t care. We just wish you assholes would go already and stop writing obsessive awful shit about women. You guys are like toddlers who threaten to run away.

What exactly do you bring to a relationship besides a toxic attitude and a massive sense of entitlement?

Honestly, why the hell do you even care about MGTOW? We are simply a group of guys that no longer want to play your game …

But you do demand on staying on the field, heckling the players. If you don’t want to play, fine, just stop with the sexism and go play with yourselves.

Yeah, the Oprah thing was pretty dated. Real misandrists watch Ellen now – lesbians are way more misanderish.

Or The Talk it has such misandering ladies hosting

Sarah Gilbert – Lesbian
Aisha Tyler – Black and a comedian (comedy is for guys)
Sharon Osborne – Has short red hair and is the dominant one in her marriage
Julie Chen – Hypergamous (married to the head of CBS)

Oh, the humanity!

So many misandrist comments. I will respond to as many as possible.

Men have always taken care of their children in addition to going to work. Men have always given women choices – to have a career, stay home with the kids or a combination of both. Women don’t “sacrifice” their careers to stay at home with the kids, they CHOOSE to do so because men give them that choice. Most women would not want the man to stay at home and take care of the kids while she supports him. Women are allowed to have more flexible lifestyles – work, family, combination of both while men are still expected to work and then come home and do chores even with a stay-at-home wife. Many women give up their careers because after a while, they don’t want to be corporate slaves until they die but they still expect men to be the work slaves. A man’s assets and income is the couple’s assets and income but the woman’s assets and income are her income and assets. And child support is the right of the child, not the mother. Child support should be spent on the child, not by the mother on herself. Women are more likely to default on child support payments. Women who receive child support are more likely to be unemployed or underemployed compared to men who receive child support. Single mothers are more likely to abuse, neglect and even kill their children and the children of single mothers are less likely to go to college and more likely to go to prison. And if MGTOW stay on the field, it’s to warn other men from making the same mistakes and allowing marriage to ruin their lives.

“Most MGTOWs I’ve seen are about average looking. They torpedo their romantic chances by having the ugliest personalities ever, and it doesn’t take much scratching to reach the vein of repugnance, either.” Well, if that’s true, you are bitter because even those men are not interested in you. Face it, you will never get a great-looking guy, successful, rich guy to marry you because those guys have options. That’s why you have an ugly, bitter personality to match your repugnant face. Typical of a lot of femi-nazis.

“Chester, we really don’t care. We just wish you assholes would go already and stop writing obsessive awful shit about women. You guys are like toddlers who threaten to run away.” If you don’t really care, then why are you so bitter? You wish we would pay more attention to you bitches. You are like those roadies who keep stalking the band members and then claim that you really didn’t want them after they rejected you for the pretty girls.

“Aren’t “Dudes Going Their Own Way” the kind of loser creeps with the median look of a Steve Buscemi lookalike anyway?” Aren’t “Femi-Nazis” the kind of loser bitches with the median look of a rabid possum anyway? And yet they still think they are special even while they dig through the trash.

“Misogynists in general adhere to the “what’s mine is mine and what’s yours is my own” principle for themselves, and get way whiney if they think a woman might have things of her own.” Then the misandrist femi-Nazis should earn things on her own. Demand an end to alimony, welfare, affirmative action programs, state-subsidized abortions and unsupervised child support (should be spend on the child not on the mother’s lifestyle).

“They seem to think that everything belongs to them, and if they get divorced they have to give up half of ‘their’ stuff. Conveniently forgetting that their partner was there helping them to get all the stuff.” How were the women helping men get their stuff? By deciding to stay at home and spend money the husband made? Well, marry a man who stays at home and spends your money and then let’s see how happy you will be when he gets half of your stuff. When a woman stays home to take care of the kids, the man is helping her with that choice. She wanted to be a mother and then stay home with the kids so now she should charge him for that when there is a divorce? He should charge her for the income she gave up and for the family life he gave up when she decided to stay at home. He helped be a stay-at-home mother and now he loses the kids as well as the assets.

“That’s how I started dating rapist ex #2 so yeah, I’ll pass on the “meh, yeah I can do monogamy if you want” but hey, to each zir own!)” You make poor choices in your life, like dating a rapist, and now you are bitter? Manage your life better. If he was a rapist, he was probably raised by a personality-disordered single mom with the same personality traits you are displaying.

……… men have historically partaken in childcare? No, they haven’t. They often haven’t been expected to be aware of who their children are. It’s still taboo for men to be primary caregivers because patriarchal gender roles prevented men from doing so.

You are like those roadies who keep stalking the band members and then claim that you really didn’t want them after they rejected you for the pretty girls.

This is my favorite part of dude’s babble. Who knew that all roadies were gay and desperately pining away for the hot guitarist who has spurned them in favor of some random pretty girl?

MGTOW who refuse to go their own way…

Thanks for the illustration, ‘Reality’-bro!

By the way, this thread getting necro’d always makes me smile, because it’s so literally perfect! It’s not even figurative, it’s literal! There are other necrotrolls threads that just are annoying, because we’ve gone over the whole thing so many times.

So, yeah. Thanks Necrotroll!

You’re unintentionally hilarious, and it is wonderful.

Let’s see..victim-blaming, oppression-denying, claims we want their sorry asses, mistakes bitterness for us laughing at their sorry asses, accuses women of being lazy, moneygrubbing vampires all out to trap a man and wring him dry…

Troll necropost bingo?

I mean, if that’s what you think women all are, then please get a high-end sex doll and go your own way…preferably somewhere thinly inhabited.

It’s really sad, in the end, because you never will have a real relationship. You’ll never risk letting any other human get that close.

Men have always given women choices

First of all, this isn’t true. Learn your history. Second of all, we make choices about our lives because we are human beings with rights. Our choices aren’t for men to graciously bestow on us.

men are still expected to work and then come home and do chores even with a stay-at-home wife

Citation? Every study I’ve seen on the division of household labor shows that women still do the lion’s share of the domestic work. This is true even in households where the man is unemployed and the woman is the sole breadwinner.

As for the rest of your rant, I don’t have a response other than pointing and laughing. You’re living in a reality that doesn’t resemble the reality that the rest of us reside in.

I’m pleased this particular necro gave me the opportunity to read Heidi’s posts. Those were hilarious. That’s how you troll. It’s kind of too bad she (“she?”) didn’t stick around to become a regular troll.

EMILY’S PATENTED 4-STEP MRA ARGUMENT FORMULA!

1) Take a feminist argument
2) Swap all instances of “men” with “women” and vice versa
3) ???
4) Profit! Misandry!

Did Cloudiah use the word pathetic because she can’t think of an intelligent response? Yes, she did.

Yes, men have historically partaken of child care – especially in agricultural communities. When the Industrial Revolution came along, men, women and even children worked in factories away from home and eventually it was decided that the men should be the ones working in the dirty factories while the women cared for the children. But even in the 1950s men were doing housework and raising the children in addition to providing for their families. It’s matriarchal/feminist gender roles that claim men don’t do enough even when they have been doing it all.

Contrapangloss. It was a pleasure to bring back this thread. What you find hilarious is the fact that you can’t respond to it. Now that’s hilarious – sis.

“It’s really sad, in the end, because you never will have a real relationship. You’ll never risk letting any other human get that close.” Oh, I have a real relationship – without marriage. A woman who truly loves a man doesn’t need to marry him. She doesn’t need access to his income and assets after a divorce. Now a rich woman who marries a man who is poorer than she is without requiring a pre-nup – that is priceless. Any of you woman enough to do that? Or do you just hate the MGTOW because your idea of a “real relationship” is to strip a man of his children, income and assets? Classic.

“Citation? Every study I’ve seen on the division of household labor shows that women still do the lion’s share of the domestic work.” And where are your citations? If men tend to do less housework than women do, it’s because men do more paid work than women do. Men tend to work longer hours outside of the home. So you want a man who will work longer hours outside the home and then come home and do the chores as well.

“As for the rest of your rant, I don’t have a response other than pointing and laughing.” Of course, that’s what femi-Nazis – point and laugh because they don’t have the intellect to do anything else.


“Men have always given women choices. First of all, this isn’t true. Learn your history. Second of all, we make choices about our lives because we are human beings with rights. Our choices aren’t for men to graciously bestow on us.”

Yes, it is true. You learn your history and not the kind of tainted, biased history you learn in women’s studies. Yes, we should make choices because we are human beings with human rights. So why are single mothers more likely to abuse and kill their children and this doesn’t include abortions? Why are women more likely to file for divorce and break up families thereby plunging them into poverty. You don’t think men should bestow you with rights? Great. Get rid of affirmative action, welfare, unfair divorce courts, alimony and bankruptcy relief. Go out there and earn it on your own. Fight for joint custody of children.

“I’m pleased this particular necro gave me the opportunity to read Heidi’s posts. Those were hilarious. That’s how you troll. It’s kind of too bad she (“she?”) didn’t stick around to become a regular troll.” To femi-Nazis, a “troll” is someone who doesn’t agree with them. To femi-Nazis, a “misogynist” is someone who believes that men are human beings who deserve equal rights too and that men can be oppressed.

“Men have always been oppressed more than women! Child support payments are slavery! Trust me because I have a lady-nym!” Yep. Classic!” Using a child as a means of earning a living is slavery. Spending child support on whatever you want and not on the child is oppression. And yes, men have always been oppressed more than women. Men who died serving their country, men who died on ships, in mines, in the sewers, in ditches, men who were raped and no one cared. I guess that doesn’t happen according to the femi-Nazis. Femi-Nazis want women to be compensated for any troubles they go through. But who compensates men for the troubles that they go through? Probably because there isn’t enough compensation for that.

“I mean, if that’s what you think women all are, then please get a high-end sex doll and go your own way…preferably somewhere thinly inhabited.” A high-end sex doll is one that hasn’t been used before. Too many women are low-end sex dolls – they have been used and passed around to everyone. Women are more likely to contract sexually transmitted diseases. Yeah, talk about sex dolls.

“This is my favorite part of dude’s babble. Who knew that all roadies were gay and desperately pining away for the hot guitarist who has spurned them in favor of some random pretty girl?” Homophobia? Really? That is the best you got? You wish gay men would pay attention to you as well. Spurned a lot have you? I guess you were spermed and spurned for years.

EMILY’S PATENTED 4-STEP MRA ARGUMENT FORMULA!

) Take a feminist argument
2) Swap all instances of “men” with “women” and vice versa
3) ???
4) Profit! Misandry!

REALITY’S 4-STEP FEMINIST ARGUMENT FORMULA!

1) Take a well-reasoned, logical argument
2) Strip it of all reason and logic
3) Create propaganda and false histories to support the argument
4) Shame and insult using homophobia, misandry, racism, sexism and any other bigotry and ignorance you can think of.

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *

This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.