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>Something Awful visits The Spearhead Forum

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This weekend, Something Awful gives its readers a little tour of The Spearhead Forum and some of its more colorful fauna. I’ve borrowed the screenshot above from them. Hagslave entrainment! Yeasty oblivion!

The Spearhead Forum is if anything a little weirder than The Spearhead itself. It is also the main stomping ground of a fellow named Zebert, who has many, well, innovative ideas about how to solve all the problems of the world (e.g. forbidding education for women, prohibiting gatherings of more than four women at a time, removing the voiceboxes from baby girls at birth).

The Something Awful folks have gathered up quite a few of his most intriguing posts, and many others of equal value. Head over there now and enjoy. 

106 replies on “>Something Awful visits The Spearhead Forum”

>WHOA EVERYBODY IT TURNS OUT THAT THERE WAS ONE WOMAN IN 1968 WHO HATED MEN WE NEED TO STOP THIS FEMINISM THING IMMEDIATELYI repeat "modern, popular." Valerie Solanas is severely neither.

>@NWOSlave – well, clearly you don't know anything about feminist history if you think there is no dissent whatsoever within the feminist movement. There's plenty of debate within feminism itself and plenty of modern feminists who strongly disagree with what Dworkin and the "classical" feminists have said. Just recently, Naomi Wolf got a lot of shit for stuff she said about Julian Assange FROM FEMINISTS. Also, have you ever heard of the pornography wars in the 80s and 90s? And let's not get into "feminism" vs. "womanism".Plus, David put up a post some time ago systematically debunking each of the most controversial quotes attributed to radical feminists as the most man-hatey of them all.

>Lady Vic: Well, yeah, it is supposed to be satire. But I fell she sort of muddied the issue a little when she shot Andy Warhol, so I'm taking some points off for that. And by "some" I mean "all."

>Can't link to it as I am posting from my phone at the moment, but there is a site dedicated solely to the nutjob Peter Nolan, called Peter Nolan Psychopath that is very interesting. The very fact that this person is so welcomed and admired by his MRA buddies at the-spearhead, who upvote him and support his violent rhetoric continually makes the MRM very creepy. There are many dangerous men among them. I've seen similar comments on the-spearhead before. Certain men do take shots at cops as he describes, most cops killed on DV calls are ambushed and never had a chance, and when I see stories like that, I always wonder if the suspect was connected to the MRM.

>What kind of life is it to spend all your time "wrapped in such bitterness, loathing, and hatred, to be honestly convinced that the kind of stuff they're spouting is true? It's not a life I would ever live. I find myself mingling pity with being creeped out."This very much reminds me of feminists. Especially the obsessed zealots such as the ones who hang in this blog.But I understand, it's okay for feminists to be shameless hypocrites. It's okay for feminists to whine whine whine about men on a daily basis.These feminists are magically not deemed as being creeps or sexist monsters. Only such labels can be put on men.

>NWOslaveWatch the movie Who shot Andy Warhal, then get back to the feminists about how she was one of their greats. (feminist producer or definitely feminist influence in the creation of this movie)Not everything you read on the internet is true. Even if Angry Harry told you so. As a side note your stats on child support dollars, etc are very very off. Actually not just off, when you get your stats from mra bloggers you should not hold them up as factual. Try this. Google average child support paid first. (that would be for all children) then google cost of raising a child.Dig deep outside of mra blogs and forums. Then get back to me. Come back with factual numbers then we can talk. Speaking of numbers while you are out there perhaps you can run the numbers of the cost of childcare and the quality of childcare you want for your children. Our nanny was paid 25$ an hour, private daycare starts at 40$ a day, last time I was updated government subsidized was 25$ a day. Seems that child support isn't such a cash cow? I realize that most mra's seem to think all it takes is feeding children fish sticks and sticking them in front of the t.v. In my home raising children meant engaging them in activities that would promote their intelligence and world view, being active and engaged. That is really a full time good for society as a whole job.

>"Given the contempt that many MRAs display for women's emotional needs or women's sexuality, is it any wonder they end up being left by their wives?" ROFL do feminists care about men's needs? Fuck no! When ever men express their issues,99.9 percent of the time, feminists scoff at it.Stop being hypocrites.It never ceases to amaze me how the feminists whine about sexism from the MR movement and yet they are totally sexist/hateful themselves.

>"Not one iota of sympathy for the millions of men who have been and are in prison for the crime of being poor."And that is not one bit surprising coming from the feminist movement. The biggest complainers about sexism are the biggest offenders of sexism as its hard to find a feminist who actually cares about men's issues or has equal concern towards men's issues as they do with women's issues."If we lived in a Patriarchial Society, men would be given default custody. Patriarchy meaning men are oppressors and women are the oppressed."Feminists are too fucking dumb to figure this out. Anyone is highly delusional and not right in the head if they believe a so called patriarchy exists in American society and other western societies in 2011.The delusions displayed from these bigoted zealots is amusing though in a disturbing way

>NickI doubt very much that you are ROFL about anything in your life.Please give some evidence that 99.9 percent of the time feminists do not care about the men in their lives?

>"She was not, is not, and should not be ever considered one of the "greats."As I have said a few times in this blog, feminists such as Valerie are well known from the support of a large number of many other feminists. If many feminists didn't support people like her, she wouldn't be heard of.This says a lot about the feminist movement.

>Well nick we could start with giving birth and breast feeding, and work from there as far as caring about men. If you are in a place where you truly feel people around you hate you then you really need to get help. Can we agree that help is not "let's rip out their voice boxes"?

>There simply aren't MILLIONS of men who have been or are in prisons for INABILITY to pay child support. This is an outright lie. And I don't have sympathy for those deadbeats had the ABILITY to support their children but refused to do so.

>No nick.. Valerie is known because of the movie "Who shot Andy Warhal" That's it.Some feminists have tried to deconstruct her actions as being radical feminist instead of an act of a crazy person. I have never heard her acts celebrated but I have heard a few excuses for her. Some mra's have tried to deconstruct Marc Lepines actions as being mra instead of the act of a crazy person. I have heard his actions celebrated on mra forums, and the rest excuse him. I have never seen on a mra blog or forum anyone stand up and say Lepine targeted women. (and this was a bad thing)What they both have in common is mental illness. If your thinking is going in either of their ideals perhaps you should see a doctor?

>Kave, you are avoiding the question. How and where is it evident that the majority of feminists actually care about men's issues? Or even if some do, show where they express "equal concern" towards male issues as they do towards women's.That said, I find it laughable how you are going on with crap about being mentality ill. So in your little sheltered feminist world, anyone is mentality ill if they believe most feminists are sexist. Yet, a person is not if they believe most MRAs are sexist. Wow these femitwits love their double standards.No wonder why I don’t take you bunch of bigoted clowns seriously. This is why I hardly post in this blog as its full of feminist zealots who are lost in their delusional little feminist world.I won't bother carrying on in this thread as it will just be the same old bigoted crap over and over again about feminist/women are perfect princesses and any man who criticises women/feminists are evil and creepy.yawn

>ROFL do feminists care about men's needs? Fuck no! When ever men express their issues,99.9 percent of the time, feminists scoff at it.Well, yeah, if your 'need' is to feel better about yourself by denigrating women (or gays, or other races, or other religions), that's a need I feel pretty comfortable scoffing at. Maybe that makes me evil, but at least I can sleep at night (and don't waste my time coddling man-children or stroking their egos).Feminists totally agree that men have emotional needs, too… though they do take the position that a man isn't entitled to this from any given random woman he so desires. Her wishes and needs matter, too.

>yes Nick you are posting the same old bigoted nonsense about women and feminists you always do. Why not come up with something new or in this reality at least?

>NickI'm still waiting for you to cite evidence that 99.9 percent of the time feminists (women) do not care about men's issues. Until you come somewhat close to citing some kind of statistical data I'm going to consider you someone that is mentally ill.Fair enough?

>Nick said " How and where is it evident that the majority of feminists actually care about men's issues"What do you really mean by feminist? Do you really mean women caring about men?I could cite many right wing female bloggers which mra people seems to eat up as gold. Sarah Palin is in some mra's eyes the ultimate woman (and yes I can provide links) yet she's also considered a feminist in mra eyes."I 'm unsuccessful with women hence all women/feminists are bad. Rinse and repeat with no internal pressure until my xbox (or other video gaming device) is threatened. "Nick.. you know you'll end up the loser in any of the above situations not because you're male but because the vast majority of humans are uncomfortable around you regardless of sex. Do you really think you'd do that better off if you desired to date males?

>I could cite many right wing female bloggers which mra people seems to eat up as gold.And don't forget "self-proclaimed feminist" authors, such as Christina Hoff Sommers, who is highly venerated in MRA's eyes.

>Nick seems to be starting with the assumption that "feminist" is simply a synonym for "world's worst poopyheads," and not really thinking or researching anything beyond that.

>I must say I have never seen a person jailed for child support where the state was not actively involved in throwing a welfare fit about the mother. Seriously. Our intensely negative views of women on welfare are a huge factor here. I knew one very poor women who would joke that the only time anyone cared that her ex worked under the table so as not to have to try and help feed the kids was when she went to renew their benefits. It is sad because it is true. The Bradley Amendment actually had significant conservative anti-feminist support, because it was largely sold as a way to get women and kids off of the welfare rolls.Oh, on another note, I can't be the only one who noticed the irony of NWO's language based criticism in regards to refering to kids as women's children when he explicitly did the same thing with them being men's children ("kidnap a mans child") a few comments before, can I?

>"I'm still waiting for you to cite evidence that 99.9 percent of the time feminists (women) do not care about men's issues. Until you come somewhat close to citing some kind of statistical data I'm going to consider you someone that is mentally ill."This makes me uncomfortable. There's no link between being mentally ill and being misogynist. I don't think we should attribute misogyny to anything other than what it is.And yes, I know this is in the context of Valerie Solanas who was mentally ill. However, there's no evidence that the bulk of the MRAs are, and I'd prefer not to blame their attitudes on mental illness. "Crazy people" get short enough shrift as it is.

>Nick seems to be starting with the assumption that "feminist" is simply a synonym for "world's worst poopyheads," and not really thinking or researching anything beyond that.As I've noted before, the MRAs' assumptions about feminism are pure projection. Since the MRAs are fueled by hatred of the opposite sex, they assume feminists are the same way, and nothing you say can shake that assumption.They aren't amenable to reasoned arguments, as every MRA who has posted to this blog has demonstrated. That's why I prefer mockery.

>NWO slave said that if I tell my husband our yard looks bad, that is domestic violence. I found that offensive because he's trying to equate occasional nagging with physical assault against a weaker spouse. They're not in the same ballpark, or even the same sport. If griping was domestic violence, almost everyone would be in jail. Also, I see these MRA's show all this sympathy for men ordered to pay child support. Why not show sympathy for impoverished single parents that aren't receiving child support from their ex wives and ex husbands? I also feel sympathy for the children that go without clean clothes and nutritious food because their single parent isn't receiving support from the other parent.

>NWO Slave: One time I attempted to make eggplant parmesan. The end result looked like a watery mixture of spaghetti sauce and cheese. My husband joked that we could throw it outside to scare wild animals away. Then we both laughed very hard and I threw the horrible dish away. Life is so much easier if you have a sense of humor. It wasn't "controlling behavior". It was just funny.

>Nicko, I care about the men in my life.I have a dad I love very much, I have male professors and authority figures that I can respect and think well of, even if we don't always agree. I have several good guy friends with fun quirks and interests (one took his hair straightener to the bottom of the Grand Canyon, another will sometimes collect roadkill to make coonskin caps). I don't like to see them feeling bad, I hate it when they feel like they have to repress their emotions. I hate it when they end up saying or doing hurtful things to others, because I want to believe that, for the most part, they are not malicious, but that they just don't realize what kind of pain they're inflicting.Do you care about the women in your life? Do you care if they're hurting, do you care if you're the one hurting them? Or do you imagine their pain to be negligible compared to the pain that men feel?

>This insistence that feminists don't care about men, and that they must prove it, and even then they may not be believed, is just more MRA projection. Masculinity has defined itself exclusively in contradistinction to the feminine for so long that a serious challenge to the idea of inherent male superiority has left millions of American men floundering—and the best answer most of them have found for the question "What is my role if not a keeper of women?" is "I am a victim of oppression by women." Femininity has become the center-pin around which masculinity pivots—on one side there is dominion; on the other side, subjugation.–Melissa McEwan, Feminism 101

>And yes, I know this is in the context of Valerie Solanas who was mentally ill. However, there's no evidence that the bulk of the MRAs are, and I'd prefer not to blame their attitudes on mental illness. "Crazy people" get short enough shrift as it is. Agreed. It's entirely possible to be bigoted, shortsighted, and self-absorbed without being mentally ill.

>Indeed, Sally. As it's been pointed out earlier, the entire book Stiffed by Susan Faludi would seem to refute Nick's contention. Not that he and his ilk will ever read it or stop repeating the same moronic mantras.

>Now for the men who lost the going rate is $200.00 a week for the child he is forbidden equal custody of. Now barring the high end money makers the vast majority of men make very little money. Barely enough to stay afloat, (myself included).So place the blame where it belongs- the (overwhelmingly white, straight male) "high end money makers" who have been implementing the policies that are "keeping you down."

>Okay, as no one else has taken the bait in regards to the obvious joke, I have to say it: Something awful visits the spearhead forum everyday, we call it "spearhead commentors". 😉

>Captain Bathrobe, I gave a glowing review on Amazon to "Stiffed", which is eloquent about the pressures men face, and some guy told me that there's no way he would even consider reading a book written about men by someone named 'Susan'. The author's name is Susan Faludi. She's a pulitzer-prize winning journalist. And if Valeria Solanas is this big feminist heroine, how come the only people who ever talk about her are bitter MRAs like Nick, who I see still hasn't returned with proof of his 99.9 figure?

>ginmar said… Captain Bathrobe, I gave a glowing review on Amazon to "Stiffed", which is eloquent about the pressures men face, and some guy told me that there's no way he would even consider reading a book written about men by someone named 'Susan'. The author's name is Susan Faludi. She's a pulitzer-prize winning journalist.How odd. What's wrong with "Susan," I wonder? Maybe if her name were "Valerie"…or possibly "Bubbles."Seriously, though, I think the idea of a serious female journalist who tackles men's issues in a compassionate manner is so alien to the MRA worldview that it simply doesn't compute. They are comfortable with their stereotypes–overly-emotional women, greedy gold-diggers, bitter feminists, sperm-stealing harpies, etc. The reality of "not saints nor whores, just women" seems beyond their comprehension.

>@Big Bad Bald BastardYou hang around here enough, you find all sorts of good names for bands. Like the Femicunt Queens of Nofunnington, for example.

>Yeah, complexity is their enemy, even while they whine for it to be used in defining themselves. It's harder to treat people badly. They want to be viewed as complicated, fascinating creatures, but they want to regard women as stupid, shallow, vicious animals.

>They want to be viewed as complicated, fascinating creatures, but they want to regard women as stupid, shallow, vicious animals. It all comes back to misogyny with a healthy scoop of narcissism, IMHO. They are, as you say, special and unique little snowflakes who must be understood in all their glorious complexity. A problem isn't a problem unless it happens to them or can happen to them. This is how they can dismiss rape as a concern (except rape of men in prison) while crying that false rape accusations are The Worst Problem Ever. This is why failure to pay child support is of no consequence, whereas actually having to pay child support is a Gross Injustice. It's only a problem if it affects them. And they imagine that feminists operate in the same manner, the work of Faludi and others notwithstanding. I don't imagine this is true of all MRAs, but the majority of those I've seem posting here seem to be profoundly empathy-challenged.

>@kendraNWOslave is just repeating the usual anti-VAWA propaganda he's read on some manosphere website or other. He's trying to make it seem as though the VAWA defines domestic violence in such a ridiculously overbroad manner that any reasonable person should be against it. Of course, the VAWA does no such thing, but that won't stop him from repeating the lie.

>NWOslave said… Now for the men who lost the going rate is $200.00 a week for the child he is forbidden equal custody of. The real numbers :The 2001 proportion of custodial parents receiving every child support payment they were due was 44.8 percent. Among these parents, the average amount received was $5,800, and did not differ significantly between mothers and fathers.That is $5800 in total for the year.— $250 a week would be 13,000 a year in child support. Really? I mean really? NWOslave said…So for instance say both of the divorcees make $15.00 an hour for a take home of $450.00 a week. Well the man now only gets $250.00 a week, while the woman gets %650.00 a week, plus State assistance, plus she gets the child as a tax deduction.Participation in public assistance programs by custodial parents fell from 40.7 to 28.4 percent between 1993 and 2001. While the rate of program participation for custodial mothers decreased from 45.2 percent to 31.0 percent during that time.—so the majority of custodial mothers are not on welfare. Even with the scenario given by NWO, the total income would be $36,400 for the year(her income plus the child support, which is how it would be calculated for eligibility), for a woman with that income to get public benefits,she better have at least 7 kids to meet the federal poverty line. The poverty line for a family of 8 is $37,630. She would not qualify without many children.I know a woman with 5 kids that makes $20 an hour and gets no child support and she did not qualify for food stamps or child care assistance. MRA's seem to think more people can get assistance than they do in reality. Also, I know many women that get court ordered child support. The support order stipulates that the dad can claim the tax deduction for the child every other year, as long as he is paying the child support. No child expense–no deduction. I believe that is fair.

>Word of general advice:When NWO says something like "all feminists hate men," don't reply by saying "I'm a feminist and I love (list of men)." That's allowing him to frame the debate, putting yourself on the defensive. You know perfectly well that he will never change his mind, no matter how many people say it.The correct response is "What proof do you have of that?" This puts him rightly on the defensive, forcing him to prove his ridiculous generalization rather than you disproving it.

>I've actually never met a feminist who shows even one onehundredth the level of contempt for men that MRAs show on a regular basis. To hear the MRAs tell it, all men are crude, uncivilized, hateful, bitter, selfish, incompetent losers who spend their free time raging about how much they hate holding doors open for anybody who has a vagina and how awful it is to have to financially support their biological offspring. Thank heavens I hang out with feminists, who remind me that men are actually just as capable, tender, funny, friendly, quirky, and joyful as women are.

>The SCUM Manifesto wasn't satire so much as the revenge fantasy of a mentally ill person in response to a lifetime of homophobic and misogynist abuse. As for denouncing Gloria Steinem or Andrea Dworkin, there's no reason to do so as their positions are perfectly reasonable to anybody who's actually read more than the one or two snippets MRAs like to copy/paste all over the internet to "prove" how terrible feminists are.Kave said… "NWOslave Watch the movie Who shot Andy Warhal, then get back to the feminists about how she was one of their greats. (feminist producer or definitely feminist influence in the creation of this movie)"It was directed by Mary Harron, who also directed American Psycho which, ironically, misogynists generally love. Misogynists aren't great at nuance or reading between lines. That's why the book sucked.

>@snobographer, off the top of my head, I can think of some hateful things Steinem has said about trans people and some really problematic things she has said about race. And, while Dworkin is not the boogey man she is often portrayed as, she had some very problematic views about sex and sexuality (as did Steinem) to say the least.

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