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Open Thread for discussion of terror attacks in Paris

Paris tonight
Paris tonight

There have been multiple terror attacks in Paris. As I write this, there are reportedly dozens dead, and hostages being held.

I hope all WHTM readers in Paris are safe, and that this nightmare doesn’t get any worse.

This is a NO TROLLS/NO MRAs thread.

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Nequam
Nequam
6 years ago

Just to clarify: my bewilderment about the soccer was because I had initially only heard about the shootings near the stadium and the bombing at the entrance, so my first thought was “Geez, was this about the FIFA scandal?” Now it’s like… well, fuck.

Mercifully, a friend of mine who lived in Paris for a couple years and met his fiancee there reported that his Parisian friends and her family are okay.

Arthur Meyer
6 years ago

I just got wind of this… Hopefully everyone makes it out okay.

ColeYote
ColeYote
6 years ago

Is it weird or wrong that every time something like this happened, my first reaction is concern over the racism and jingoism that it’s inevitably going to stir up?

dhag85
6 years ago

@ColeYote

Because of my work with refugees and immigrants, it’s always among my first thoughts as well. I hate it, but it’s the way it is.

Chiomara
Chiomara
6 years ago

[trigger warning — rape]

Started the year with a crippling depression from a rape in the end of 2014, lost most of my friends because I couldn’t even stand up, fought with my entire family for the same reason, my relationship that was great for almost 3 years became a series of fights with periods of peaceful conversation that we stepped in eggs to mantain until the next fight about feminism , was diagnosed with PTSD two months ago, can barely sleep cause I wake up crying from dreams with dead people and rape and cannibalism. Oh, and my grandmother died in horrible conditions and I feel guilty for it. And I have been going through horrible economical problems every since 2013. And now this. 2015 is the worst year. Fuck 2015.

Sorry for the rant. But seriously. Fuck it.

dhag85
6 years ago

@Chiomara

Geez. All the hugs coming your way if you want them.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
6 years ago

I keep typing and deleting… I’m just going to go with — as much as France is mocked as being a weak country, you guys gave fucking Hitler a giant middle finger, you’ll make it through this too.

Jules
Jules
6 years ago

“Antifa groups have documented the rise in violence in direct proportion to the “tolerance” of hate propaganda, even if the group producing it isn’t overly violent. This is doubly true when they are.”

Makes sense:

Allport’s Scale of Prejudice, escalating from 1 to 5:

1. Antilocution: Hate / negative speech, images, and jokes.

2. Avoidance: Avoidance / exclusion of the minority group.

3. Discrimination: Prejudice in action; denial of services and opportunities.

4. Physical Attack: Physical harm to people and property; hate crimes.

5. Extermination: Extermination or removal of much or all of the minority group.

One thing leads to another. I remember my professor’s words: “You can’t have discrimination without first antilocution.”

Chiomara
Chiomara
6 years ago

Yes, i’m over sharing with people I don’t even know, while I can’t bring myself to tell everything to my own mother or best friend. I have no idea why. Sorry. TW FOR RAPE IN MY PREVIOUS COMMENT IF YOU HAVEN’T READ IT YET.

Chiomara
Chiomara
6 years ago

@dhag
Thanks dear. Good to put it out even if it’s randomly and to strangers like this. Sorry for taking away the focus of the post, everyone, I immediately regretted my decision. This is not the time and place.

Chiomara
Chiomara
6 years ago

@Jules
Sociology teacher? This is actually great, to see the relation of things like this. I’ll save that list, thank you.

bvh
bvh
6 years ago

@Chiomara

PTSD sucks ass. Sorry about that. You deserved better.

Any time I think I’m down I think about my friend who is in a coma. Also happened this year, Februray. Shit fuck damn. Anyway, that’s my personal perspective check, regardless of how sucky the year has been, at least I’m not in a coma! Talk about low bars….

Disclaimer: this is not a judgement on anyone’s shitty year. The “perspective check” ONLY refers to myself and MY situation.

dhag85
6 years ago

@Chiomara

Seconding that you don’t have to feel bad for sharing.

Kestrel
Kestrel
6 years ago

@Chiomara – All the kitty hugs you want. Sometimes it is easier to tell our secrets to strangers than our friends. I hope you have someone you trust to talk to but take all the time you need. Best of luck to you.

Moocow
Moocow
6 years ago

@WWTH

Thank you! That means a lot to me. (Sorry if I missed anyone else, I’m skimming through the comments)

I currently reside in the US but both my parents live RIGHT outside of Paris (I’m going there to visit them for Christmas). Fortunately they are both safe. I’ll be calling them tomorrow since it’s currently the middle of the night over there.

My heart goes out to the victims of these horrible terrorist attack. I was in tears when I heard the step-by-step development, now I’m running through a lot of emotional states. So much devastation, it’s horrifying!

raysa
raysa
6 years ago

Naira8:

For what it is worth, for every single time I have heard a doctor say “it doesn’t look like cancer, but let’s do the test just to be sure”, the doctor has always been correct. And, YAY PIE. He sounds like he’s in good spirits, and that is always a good thing.

Chiomara:

You aren’t over sharing. That is the great thing about anonymity. The people here really do care/sympathize, and it takes away from nothing to talk about other things that are bothering us while we are waiting to hear updates. I can sympathize with you, although I haven’t had all of the experiences you have had, I understand financial struggle. Money, and specifically not having enough of it, is hard. I understand. You are most definitely not alone.

Chiomara
Chiomara
6 years ago

@Bvh Thank you plenty. Unfortunately I think I’m past the point where such thoughts worked.

@David Thank you for putting the TW, and for the support. I can’t avoid feeling guilty *sigh*. Lately, I have been feeling guilty about pretty much everything. My heart goes to all of those people and for you too, David, this seemed to be a bad week for you. Sorry for the threats and everything.

@Dhag You are too lovely and, from your profile pic, too pretty too. Just like my childhood pet. Thank you, you’ve been a sweetheart to me since I entered.

@Kestrel Kitty hugs are the best hugs! I trust them, but I tell a tiny part for each person. First because I am afraid of victim blaming, second because I don’t want to worry them. I am glad I can tell you. Thank you.

@Moocow Yeeeey, you’re well! *little happy dance*

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Too many people to address in one comment, so group hug?
http://i.imgur.com/seeM4fI.jpg

dhag85
6 years ago

Yay, creepy sloth group hug! :p

@Chiomara

Fingie says thank you for the compliment, and he’s purring quite loudly. 🙂

It’s 6am and I’m going to bed now. Take care, all.

Chiomara
Chiomara
6 years ago

@Raysa Thank you. Yes, people are horrible about money, I can’t get to figure how hasnt humanity destroyed itself 3 weeks after the invention of economy, seriously. Worst of all is having money problems when you can’t be brave enough to go to the kitchen and eat food, imagine work or study. So you all have an idea, I have had about 6 hours of sun since march. Consider I live in brazil and all I have to do to catch some sun is climb one stair. That’s how lazy depression got me. But i’m slowly getting better, thanks to therapy and meds.

(ps: Yes, I know that’s not healthy. If you all wonder what happens when you don’t catch sun for that long, the answer is a dermatitis that makes your face peel like you are a snake, plus ghostly pale skin. If you are a goth with a fascination for snakes, I recommend.)

raysa
raysa
6 years ago

WWTH:

OMG SLOTH BABIES SO CUTE!!!!!!!!

Was it you that posted sloths in the previous thread? Oy, they are my new favorite thing. I can feel endorphins releasing into my brain just from looking at them.

Chiomara
Chiomara
6 years ago

Happy dance because Moocow and his family are safe:

We all hugging (happens at 1:07)

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
6 years ago

Was at 500m of one of the attack, in the house of a friend. The hard part being mostly the nervous pressure from the constant siren and the fear to go home.

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