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Some good, long overdue, news. Andrew Shirvell, the Michigan assistant attorney general who’s been harassing a gay University of Michigan student, has been fired. Some details, from Freep.com:
Shirvell had been criticized for his blog in which he calls Chris Armstrong, the president of the Michigan Student Assembly, a radical homosexual, a Nazi and Satan’s representative on the assembly. Philip Thomas, Shirvell’s attorney, had said his client is expressing his free-speech rights.The firing was confirmed in a statement this afternoon from AG Mike Cox, who said Shirvell was fired for conduct unbecoming a state employee, especially that of an assistant attorney general.“To be clear, I refuse to fire anyone for exercising their First Amendment rights, regardless of how popular or unpopular their positions might be. However, Shirvell repeatedly violated office policies, engaged in borderline stalking behavior, and inappropriately used state resources, our investigation showed.”
According to Cox, Shirvell had, among other things:
Showed up at the home of a private citizen three times, including once at 1:30 a.m. … harass[ed] Armstrong’s friends as they were socializing in Ann Arbor … [repeatedly called] House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s office, Armstrong’s employer, in an attempt … to cause Pelosi to fire Armstrong; Attempt[ed] to “out” Armstrong’s friends as homosexual — several of whom were not gay.
Oh, and he did some of this while at work, Cox says. And apparently lied to the Attorney General during his disciplinary hearing.
CLARIFICATION: Shirvell is not part of the MRM. I am posting about this because gay-bashing is an important men’s issue. See the comment by Sandy below.
>David, what happens when your readership figure out that you are deliberately deceiving them with your cherry picking and misrepresentation?You know full well that Masterson is not part of the mens movement and is a supposed to satire.Besides, most feminist sites and most feminists work off the ideological presumption that women are morally superiour and correct.Feminism pumps out a endless amount of supremacist memes that are not satirical like Dick Masterson…women are better multitaskingswomen are morally superiourwomen are spiritually superiourand on and on it goes..There is a big difference between satire and a top down supremacist movement that publishes from schools and multiple main stream media out lets supremacist and hateful propaganda.
>Sandy Im not missing the point…The point was to attach some idiot american right wing Christian homophobe to the mens movement for a gullible readership.I note that the readership here, dont support the behaviour of that lawyer, but when it comes to take back the night rallys, where are exactly the same sort of thing there will be support.
>@IR who says these people are feminists? I suspect that most of those commenting on some brutally hateful misogynist site generally are not. Also, Yahoo Answers isn't really a reputable source for anything. But, yes, using an accusation of queerness as an insult is queerphobic. However, you have yet to give a shred of evidence that these people you site are either feminists or self proclaimed allies.
>DarkSideCatHateful and supremacist commentary is so common in feminism you dont notice it."Take back the night" rallies, just like that lawyer's actions and progressive era black rapist propaganda, its on every campus yet its not recognized as hatred.Suppression and exclusion of abuse victims on the basis of the sex of their abuser, protection of abusers on the basis of their sex what is that if not hate?
>No, Eogham, you are completely missing the point. No one is saying the assistant attorney is in any way a men's right activist. The point is that his dismissal is a victory for men's rights.
>@Eoghan""Take back the night" rallies, just like that lawyer's actions and progressive era black rapist propaganda, its on every campus yet its not recognized as hatred."What the fuck are you on? Seriously?! The take back the night for this November will be to honour the women slain by Mark Lepine:"Lépine then separated the nine women from the approximately fifty men and ordered the men to leave.[9] Speaking in French, he asked the remaining women whether they knew why they were there, and when one student replied "no," he answered: "I am fighting feminism". One of the students, Nathalie Provost, said, "Look, we are just women studying engineering, not necessarily feminists ready to march on the streets to shout we are against men, just students intent on leading a normal life." Lépine responded that "You're women, you're going to be engineers. You're all a bunch of feminists. I hate feminists." He then opened fire on the students from left to right, killing six, and wounding three others, including Provost.[1][3] Before leaving the room, he wrote the word shit twice on a student project.[9]"And guess what, Lepine was white! And a fucking anti-feminist like you, who hated women for no fucking reason other than they were women! Why did he single out the 9 women and dismiss the 50 men?! Why after claiming not to be feminists did he kill them?! And he probably had serious psychiatric disorders like George Sodini and Henry Makov. And guess what, people like you in the MRA encourage and condone this hatred. Say all you want about equal rights, but anyone taking a cursory look at ANY MRA site will find that misogyny, that hatred. The women he killed:Geneviève Bergeron (born 1968), civil engineering studentHélène Colgan (born 1966), mechanical engineering student.Nathalie Croteau (born 1966), mechanical engineering student.Barbara Daigneault (born 1967) mechanical engineering student.Anne-Marie Edward (born 1968), chemical engineering student.Maud Haviernick (born 1960), materials engineering student.Maryse Laganière (born 1964), budget clerk in the École Polytechnique's finance department.Maryse Leclair (born 1966), materials engineering student.Anne-Marie Lemay (born 1967), mechanical engineering student.Sonia Pelletier (born 1961), mechanical engineering student.Michèle Richard (born 1968), materials engineering student.Annie St-Arneault (born 1966), mechanical engineering student.Annie Turcotte (born 1969), materials engineering student.Barbara Klucznik-Widajewicz (born 1958), nursing student.They were human beings. They had names. They died for no reason but hate. Misogyny. That's why we do this rally. So DO NOT claim some BS racist sentiment as the real reason.Or shorter: Fuck you, Eoghan! You have no idea what you're talking about so shut the fuck up!
>TecLepine was a loan nut, running take back the night because of him is like running anti black rapist rallys because of one black man that was a serial rapist of white women.Every campus runs take back the night rallies that have nothing to do with lepine and everything to do with hate propaganda, same thing as progressive era black rapist propaganda in a different era with a different target group, same thing as a bunch of lunatics with "god hats fags banners".
>Fact is you think your hate is ok, that its good hate. Just like the "god hates fags" muppets and the lynch mobs of old you think its providing a service for the greater good when in reality you are just following another man made ideology that takes advantage of human weakness, fear and prejudice.
>"They were human beings. They had names. They died for no reason but hate. Misogyny. That's why we do this rally."@TecYou know, men are more likely to be a victim of every violent crime, with the exception of rape. Before you go off on a tangent about how rape is worse than murder and yam-yam-yam, let me remind you that being penetrated by a bullet or knife by another man or woman is an act of violation in and of itself. It doesn't matter if it's by a stranger in the middle of the night or by an enemy combatant in a war – men bear a greater burden of this trauma, and should not be trivialized.A man has more to fear walking in the dark than a woman does. The statistics prove this:"A total of 215,273 homicides were studied, 77% of which involved male victims and 23% female victims. Although the overall risk of homicide for women was substantially lower than that of men (rate ratio [RR] = 0.27), their risk of being killed by a spouse or intimate acquaintance was higher (RR = 1.23). In contrast to men, the killing of a woman by a stranger was rare (RR = 0.18)."- http://journals.lww.com/jtrauma/Abstract/1992/07000/Men,_Women,_and_Murder__Gender_Specific.1.aspxWho's being rounded up and slaughtered like cattle again? Why do you need these rallies, which are – let's be serious now – about spreading the illusion that men hate women more than they hate each other."Men are victims of all forms of violent crime other than rape and sexual assault at higher rates than are women. Murder is no exception. Men account for three-quarters of all murder victims."- http://social.jrank.org/pages/1254/Violent-Crime-Victims-Violent-Crimes-Most-Are-Men.htmlOh, and I can do you one better than 10-20 women murdered in an isolated incident by a lone psycho. Or about 30 thousand better.http://www.accessgenealogy.com/military/vietnam.phpI'm really curious as to what you have to say, unless you feel like "bowing out" of the discussion with some half-baked excuse.
>IR: Yes, men are far more likely to be murdered than women. The latest figures are this:The overall rate of female homicides fell 43% from 4.18 to2.38 homicides per 100,000 female U.S. residents between 1993and 2007. *Between 1993 and 2007 the overall rate of male homicidesfell 40% from 14.94 to 8.94 homicides per 100,000 male U.S.residents. http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/ascii/fvv.txtWhen it comes to other forms of violent crime, men are more likely to be the victims — but only slightly. As your second source notes, but you don't mention, the rates of victimization of men and women for nonfatal violent crimes have been converging. They have converged even more since that report was written and these days women are almost as likely as men to be victims of nonfatal violent crimes. As the BJS puts it: "In 2009, men were slightly more likely than women to be victims of violent crime. Women were more likely than men to be victimized by someone they knew. Seventy percent of all violent crimes against women were committed by a known offender (an intimate, family member or friend/acquaintance), compared to 45 percent of violence against men. Twenty-six percent of the non-fatal violence against women was committed by an intimate (current or former spouse, boyfriend or girlfriend), compared to 5 percent of the violence against men." from here: http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/press/cv09pr.cfmSee here, table 5, for the actual numbers: http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv09.pdfAnd of course it goes without saying that the VAST majority of those who commit violent crimes (fatal or nonfatal) are male. I will be doing a "further reading" about violence against men in the near future. As for war, you're not going to find a lot of pro-war feminists. You're also not going to find many who don't support women serving in the military.
>David, the sex of the assailant shouldnt prejudice the status of the victim or grant them special rights over other victims, and most men that are charged with violent crimes come from single more homes and single mother home as the most dangerous place for young boys and child abuse causes dysfunctional adults.See in reality the whole thing is in a cycle, thats why the feminist view can never explain or treat violence, the feminist view only serves to further feminism and generate funds, it cannot fix it, if anything by presenting violence as political and gendered, it stands in the way of progress.Ir, it doesn't look like women are victimized by sexual crimes anymore than men are, and factoring in the nature of prison rapes, teeth knocked out, gang rapes and so on… it would seem that men suffer the more violent end of rape.Take back the night is todays equivalent of politically constructed, progressive era black rapist hysteria.
>@EoghanMark Lepine was white! Not black, white. Not hispanic, white. White. White. White.What part of that speaks to you of "black rapist" hysteria?!?! Stop making it about RACE when it ISN'T. Moron.@IRThe one big fucking difference is, when a person gets shot, they're not blamed for it…categorically, unlike rape. And violent crime is perpetrated by men for the most part. In other words, what the fuck's your point? That men are victimizing men and women in huge numbers? Yeah, I already knew that, thanks Sherlock.
>Also, IR, at what point did I trivialize violence against men by talking about Mark Lepine and his victims? Please, point out exactly where I said that. Because, as far as I can tell, that's just a pathetic tactic to trivialize Mark Lepine's crime. The violence was directed at women, for being women. Stop trivializing that.If you had bothered to read it, you'd actually know that Mark didn't rape those women, he just killed them while they were attending class at an engineering university. "Take Back the Night"s in Canada are often organized around the Dec 6, ending with a candlelight vigil on the date. You know, it's like a whole "Let's stop misogyny and violence against women" thing…
>TecBlack rapist hysteria, progressives took the actions of a minority and used them to create hysteria and hatred against a whole group. Its the very same tactic that feminism uses targeting all men instead of just black men.Same political construct, different era.There were many that thought it was real and couldnt is for what it was back in the progressive era, just like you cant.
>Edit"There were many that thought it was real and couldnt SEE is for what it was back in the progressive era, just like you cant"If you cant understand that stereotyping a group with an extreme minority within the group is wrong, its nobodies fault but your own, lashing out at other posters isn't going to fix anything.
>Some jews were involved in the crash that caused the great depression, that didnt justify rallies against all jews in germany.Some gay men have pedophile tendencies, that doesnt mean that all gay men are pedophiles.Some black men did rape white women, that doesn't justify KKK rallies against black men.And so on, like feminism these movements rely on taking an extreme example and convince the gullible that its the norm for that group.Feminism makes millions out of creating this illusion and prejudice.
>@TecMen are killed for being men all of the time. Women are killed for being women occasionally. Men get by just fine without candlelight vigils and "take back the night rallies," all while bearing the greater brunt of the violence.Most crimes we prosecute are committed by men, but they're also against other men. Men hate each other a lot more than they hate women, but you have been silent as a church mouse about violence against men. You've fixated on the smallest aspect of violence, and only because it affects you. And it's men who need to change – men exclusively, not the government which marginalizes and emasculates them, not the single mothers who rob their children of a father out of spite, not the law enforcement which arrests male victims of domestic assault. No, of course not, masculinity is evil, men hate women, only men need to change. Those men who get killed and slaughtered – forget 'em. They're just a bunch of men.
>Okay, I can't be the only one who finds it hilariously ironic that the MRAs are bitching about lack of discussion about violence against men in order to derail David's post about just that. This post is about the stalking and harassment of a male victim. For people who claim to care so much about lack of discussion about violence or crimes with male victims, they sure don't like to talke about violence or crimes with male victims.In other irony news, Eoghan's comments minimizing rape and violence with female perpertrators "factoring in the nature of prison rapes, teeth knocked out, gang rapes and so on… it would seem that men suffer the more violent end of rape."
>@Eoghan"Black rapist hysteria, progressives took the actions of a minority and used them to create hysteria and hatred against a whole group. Its the very same tactic that feminism uses targeting all men instead of just black men."Again, making all men rapists is the flip side of victim-blaming: if women can instigate rape through what they wear, being there, etc. then it simultaneously sets men up as being insatiable without impulse control and thus incapable of controlling themselves. Both are untrue and wrong. They're both steeped in rape culture and overall, patriarchy.It's not about race, much as you'd like to phrase it as so. I have no idea where you're getting that Take Back the Nights are targeted at blacks; it makes no sense: it's targeted at rapists and violent criminals. Are you saying that all black men are inherently the targets? Because that's what it sounds a lot like which is pretty fucked up racist shit about racial stereotyping. And guess what? Women of colour are raped. They are often raped. Gee, it's almost as if the 2-for-1 combo of being a woman and a non-white makes 'em a 2x easily victimized group, and thus easily dismissed by white, privileged men. Hell, in Canada, First Nations women are the most common victims of human sex trafficking not to mention the rampant CSA of boys and girls experienced at residential schools. Attributing "Take Back the Nights" as racist sentiments to target black men trivializes the abuse and victimization of all women, but especially so women of colour. And it fucking pisses me off royally. I had originally guessed, based on your writing, you might be black and by your name, Scottish. I suggest you try googling "third wave feminism" because feminism isn't just white privileged women as you would like to paint it. Again, try thinking on your own before parroting what you heard on False Rape Society and your other MRA blogs.
>@IR"but you have been silent as a church mouse about violence against men. You've fixated on the smallest aspect of violence, and only because it affects you. And it's men who need to change – men exclusively"Um no. For one, I'm certainly not a quiet church mouse. Secondly, men on men violence isn't usually a hate crime e.g. one man kills a man for money vs. man killing a man for being black. They're kinda apples and oranges eh?Would you accuse me of trivializing murder if I focused on the race aspect of the latter? Um, hopefully not.No, it is you who are trivializing. We live in a society that treats women like scum. Treats children like scum. Treats elderly like scum. Treats LGBTQ persons like scum. Treats disabled like scum. And that's all part of kyriarchy. Focusing on the huge spectrum that encompasses rape jokes to murderous hate crime isn't trivializing, it's the opposite: it's highlighting. But assuming I'm not also concerned about other issues because they don't affect me is ludicrous and completely unsubtantiated. I don't have to be gay to care about homophobia. I don't have to be disabled to care about the disabled and the barriers they face. It's categorically misrepresentative of me and rather self-entitled of yourself to assume you know what I care about and don't care about. Also, I've already pointed out the big flaw in the concept "men should change" at Eoghan: it's part of rape culture. They're both wrong. And if you're instead refering to expecting men to yield some male privilege, well, guilty as charged. @Cat – QFT
>@TecMore men are killed than women. How is killing men morally better than killing women? I know you assume that every woman who is struck down becomes a hate crime and yam-yam-yam, but how does that hold a candle to the fact that 3 men are murdered for every 1 woman, yet all of your chatter has been about women?"Men need to give up their privilege, men need to do this and that and serve women better. Oh, men are more likely to be murdered? Well, it's okay to kill men because it's not out of hate somehow."
>"We live in a society that treats women like scum."Oh, so THAT'S why women only kill themselves 25% as often as men. I guess being "treat[ed] like scum" does an amazing job of enhancing one's will to live.
>"And if you're instead refering to expecting men to yield some male privilege, well, guilty as charged."Exactly what privileges do men have left to yield? The privilege of having to worry about whether any woman with whom they are alone will falsely accuse them of rape? The privilege of being insulted if they refuse to pay for more than their half of a date? The privilege of being passed over for a job or promotion because employers want to meet quotas? The privilege of having no legal recourse for unwanted paternity, even when it is the result of rape? The privilege of dying earlier? Inquiring minds want to know.Inquiring minds want to know.
>We dont live in a rape culture, thats just radical feminist nonsense. Men are as prone to sexual violence as men and women make up significant portion of the sexual predators outside the prison system."Women treated like scum" !!!!So women, who are paid more, receive most of the resources in education, most of the degrees, spend x5 more of the family budget on themselves than their partners, have most of the management jobs, control 60% of the wealth and 80% of the spending, monopolize the victim resources despite being the safest group in society, wear better clothes and shoes than men, and have lives so much easier than men that they live 8 years longer, are treated like scum. It makes me wonder what it would take for you to believe that women are being treated well. You are delusional and irrational Tec.
>"I had originally guessed, based on your writing, you might be black"I think it's pretty clear who is the racist here.