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Stefan Molyneux answers the musical question “why do good girls like bad guys?”

I had this question for a real long time

By David Futrelle

It’s a question asked over, and over, and over, and over, and over again on Tik Tok:

So why do good girls like bad guys?
I had this question for a real long time
I’ve been a bad boy and it’s plain to see
So why do good girls fall in love with me?

I guess that’s technically two questions. Sadly, despite the hundreds of excruciating Tik Tok videos devoted to the subject, these questions have ever been satisfactorily answered.

Until now, that is. And the answer comes from an old friend, the weirdo racist-who-says-he’s-not-a-racist YouTube “philosopher” Stefan Molyneux.

https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1105204652801286144

If you’re wondering what war he’s talking about, apparently (at least in Stef’s imagination) it’s some sort of global race war with civilized white people on one side and damn dirty immigrants on the other.

In case you haven’t noticed, Stef’s not a big fan of immigration, or immigrants, or, as far as I can tell, anyone whose skin is a bit less pale than his.

https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1088995095506911233
https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1084839581000691712

He’s much more fond of his fellow whites, or at least the minority of them who agree with his racist, xenophobic blather.

https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1104107930255687680
https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1099529810575974401

Unfortunately, as Stef sees it, a lot of white ladies out there are race traitors in the race war.

https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1102652739706744832

White dudes, meanwhile, are apparently destroying the cultural vitality of their race by giving in to the seductive lures of … smart phones and soy lattes.

https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1092811873567760384

No soy for Stef! Indeed, he seems to be preparing for the new bad boy order by trying out some bad boy looks for himself. Not sure they’re completely working.

https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1104600179062136832
https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1104616792792608768

I dunno, dude, these seem pretty low-effort to me. At least take off your shirt. The one thing I’ve learned from watching way too many of those Tik Tok videos is that bad boys just hate shirts.

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Ohlmann
Ohlmann
3 years ago

As a general history warning, for very early things like cities and agricultures, saying that “white people didn’t invente that” is a bad idea. It come from a good sentiment, but there’s a lot of pitfall in that affirmation :

* we aren’t sure of where and when the oldest examples are. We currently think that it’s in the middle eastern countries, but that’s far from a certainty. And there’s a lot of discussions about just how intelligent and developped the Neanderthal were, going from “hunter gatherer only” to “had villages and basic governements”
* even if we were, it forget a lot of thoses inventions were invented several times, so even if say Ur is the oldest city in the world, that don’t mean that white people in future France didn’t invent the city too at Brieux-Sur-Marne, or wherever, without knowing the existence of Ur.
* even if we had a way to get around thoses two pitfalls, the tribes that invented are old enough that they could be the main stock from when the white people (and everyone else) come.

Now, I understand the burning desire to contradict thoses nincompoops. Just the fact that the Americas had civilisations with big cities, agricultures, and governements show that civilisation isn’t exactly a super difficult feat, and it’s well documented that the contributions of each continents to the modern world are very significant.

Just, the correct conclusion is that Europa isn’t remarkable, not that Europa didn’t invent X or Y.

Kevin
Kevin
3 years ago

Back on the subject of mail armour, I’m given to understand that a sling bullet was much feared in the ancient world as the way it focused force at the point of impact could inflict severe injury without even going through a mail shirt. Loved the mental image of a knight ‘hay bale’ tossed by an angry peasant.

Bookworm in hijab
Bookworm in hijab
3 years ago

@ Lumipuna,

Brexit is promising to look almost like the Roman imperial withdrawal from Britain.

The next thing you know, the infrastructure is decaying, cities are being abandoned, literacy is disappearing and pale-skinned thugs speaking a coarse language that vaguely resembles English are terrorizing the country, violently attacking anyone outside their own ethnic group.

This is brilliantly true! Stealing, thanks…(I’ll credit you, promise!) UK folks, all the best to you. What an awful situation.

Thanks to all for the welcomes! I actually moved to Canada back in the early 2000s, but you all make me feel very welcomed and at-home. Before here I lived in Switzerland, and while I loved many things about it, the blatant xenophobia was NOT one of them (the cheese though. And the scenery. And the cheese. Oh my…)

Moggie
Moggie
3 years ago

@Ohlmann:

On a side note, I am deeply anxious about the Brexit. Oh boy, I didn’t *think* anyone could fuck up a political process that badly.

So you’re not familiar with our Tories? Their combination of incompetence and malevolence is rivalled only by the DUP.

I don’t know whether I want an extension to Article 50, because I’m not sure how much more of this I can stand.

Dalillama
Dalillama
3 years ago

@Ohlmann

even if we had a way to get around thoses two pitfalls, the tribes that invented are old enough that they could be the main stock from when the white people (and everyone else) come.

Regardless, they, themselves, were not white, inasmuch as civilization is older than white people.

that don’t mean that white people in future France didn’t invent the city too at Brieux-Sur-Marne, or wherever, without knowing the existence of Ur

But that isn’t the case. It is known how civilization arrived in what’s now France and local reinvention wasn’t it; the first city in France was built by Greek colonists.

Penny Psmith
Penny Psmith
3 years ago

@Anonymous

Ahalan! I didn’t know there was another Israeli here. 🙂

I was just talking to someone today about that stupid Blazer thing, and the thing is, they’re not even original. I remember reading on this very blog about a US conservative thinker who brought up the “redistribution of sex” thing as a sort of gotcha, as in “how come you think this is stupid but not welfare?!” (not seeing the obvious answer that sex is not a resource that can be [re]distributed). It was stupid then, and it’s stupid now.
And of course, as has been pointed out above, the intention to troll doesn’t actually matter, because the actions are still reprehensible. Trolling or not, they were still treating women’s bodies as a commodity.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
3 years ago

@Dalillama : that’s where you’re wrong. It is not known. The concept that the first city in France was built by greek colonist isn’t a known fact, but at best an hypothesis. Probably a wrong one, because a lot of people are WAY TOO fixated in pinning any innovation to exactly one point.

Talonknife
Talonknife
3 years ago

I always think it’s funny when people go on and on about how cool knights were because they actually weren’t super useful on the mdeieval battlefield. I mean, don’t get me wrong, they look awesome and they’re super fun to portray in any kind of medieval fantasy media, but in actual medieval times, it was archers that won battles.

Dalillama
Dalillama
3 years ago

@Ohlmann
No, the archaeological history of France is known in considerable detail. There were no cities in France before Greeks built on there ~2800 years ago. Civilization has been independently developed at least 5 times in as many locations, but none of them were in what is now France. Or indeed Germany, Great Britain, Scandinavia, the Iberian peninsula, or the Low Countries.

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
3 years ago

Though “city” and “civilization” are hard to pin down due to being hard to define, it’s generally accepted that the oldest continuously inhabited areas are as much as 11,000 years old. Damascus and Jericho date to that age, though again, the definition of “city” is debated.

For me, the beginning of farming is the trigger date. Once we started growing crops and domesticating stock, moving around became less necessary and more difficult. We had already built semi-permanent houses at least from the end of the last glacial maximum, and the necessity of shelter would instantly drive the invention of permanent building technology.

This took place in a bunch of different places after the ice age, southwest Asia, south Asia on the Indian sub-continent, southeast Asia in the Mekong delta, and several places in east Asia. Farming, permanent dwellings, music, art, shamanism… likely even money, as there’s evidence of decorative shells which some paleoanthropologists believe were used as money… that’s definitely “civilization”, though you do need traffic jams to properly call it a “city.”

Regarding “civilization” as defined by the white supremacist movement, well, we had (probably) already invented war, and the Chalcolithic (copper) Age was just around the corner, where we invented metal weapons. Bad idea. Should’a left that one alone.

Dalillama
Dalillama
3 years ago

@Weird Eddie
Cities are characterised by economic specialization, collection of food surpluses under a central authority, and indeed the existence of such an authority to begin with. There’s a number of subsidary characteristics that almost inevitably correlate with these, including the practice of slavery on a large scale. While agriculture, and specifically agriculture of cereal grains, is a necessary prerequisite, most places/peoples that developed agricultural practices didn’t build cities or states (usually synonymous on the early days of such things).

Bookworm in hijab
Bookworm in hijab
3 years ago

Can I just say that I LOVE how this thread has become a discussion of ancient and medieval history? ?❤

Christopher Green
Christopher Green
3 years ago

Idiots like this keep me away from SCA and pagan groups.

Robert
Robert
3 years ago

One of the things that I learned after college was how the current languages of Europe came from a prehistoric population shift/possible invasion from the Proto-Indo-European homeland to the east. That’s why the various forms of pre-Christian European religions had such similar pantheons, for example.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
3 years ago

@Katamount:

They really are looking forward to full-blown race war.

Then they’re idiots, since nonwhite people outnumber white ones about six-to-one and can claim China’s formidable industrial base and military equipment on their side. Whites will be outnumbered and will not have a countervailing advantage in outgunning the other side, in the event of such a war. Add in the likelihood that China has backdoored almost all the tech

Of course, there was already plenty of other evidence that they’re idiots.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
3 years ago

@Dallilama : after checking again to be sure, I am sorry to have to say you’re full of shit.

First thing first : celts invented cities too with the oppidas. They arrived in France at about the same time (well, at more or less the same centurie) as greeks. Greeks who didn’t built anything in France in -2800 because greek civilisation was just starting ; to give you an idea, the Minoans had a big city by -2700 and that’s about the earliest form of Greek civilisation we have trace of. (Greek weren’t particulary early by city’s standard, we just know a lot about them because of cultural bias)

Unlike what you say, we don’t have a complete history of french cities, because cities can vanish without leaving a trace. Pretending we know everything about that is on par with saying that North America did not have any city before Columbus found the American continent.

You also spew out (french) white supremacists points by seeing cities come only from the greeks. In actual practice, we don’t know all the place where something as basic as agriculture and cities with govermeents were invented, because thoses things leave very few traces. You probably have good intentions saying that, unlike the white supremacists, but that don’t make what you say, you know, true.

Chris Oakley
3 years ago

Stefan Molyneux wouldn’t know civilization if it superkicked him in the face.

Ben
Ben
3 years ago

Podkayne Lives:

This is…not true. Even if we let Greeks count as ‘white’ for this ludicrously anachronistic claim.

Yeah, not to engage with the rest of Molyneux’s ridiculous, racist, misogynist argument, but the Greeks did not see themselves as “white” in the slightest. They saw themselves as Greek and they were incredibly disdainful of and discriminatory of those peoples that did not fit into that quasi-ethnic linguocultural category. Hell, they barely considered the ruling class of Macedon to be Greek, largely on the basis of small differences like their political system and their drinking habits.

The great minds of ancient Athens would almost certainly view Molyneux as a Celt and therefore a barbarian congenitally incapable of fully utilizing, let alone appreciating, the fullness of Greek civilization. To put it another way, Aristotelian racial theory held that the four races (Greek, Persian, Celtic, and Scythian) possessed the cardinal virtues in different amounts due to their culture and their climate. Celts like Molyneux had courage and justice but not wisdom and moderation, while Persians possessed all but moderation and Scythians lacked all but courage. Only Greeks, with their mountainous yet temperate homeland, had both the reason and the energy to create civilization.

This is, by the way, a big part of the “scientific progress” that Molyneux is so eager to claim as his heritage: climatological racism.

James Hutchings
3 years ago

As far as I know, the ancient Greeks (and Romans) didn’t have any category that included themselves and other Europeans, but excluded (say) Egyptians or Persians. They might have thought of themselves vs everyone else, or civilizations (Greeks, Egyptians and Persians) vs barbarians (Germans and Celts), but never Europeans vs non-Europeans.

Ben
Ben
3 years ago

James Hutchings:

Yeah, the four-part division of humanity introduced by Hippocrates of Kos and developed by Plato and Aristotle was definitely a post-hoc excuse to use culture and geography to sort humanity into graduated degrees of similarity to the Greeks. To them, the meaningful distinctions were a) living in cities, b) using similar culinary and hygienic practices, c) having sophisticated political structures, and d) speaking Greek. These criteria were, of course, applied in extremely inconsistent and self-serving ways, like in the case of the Celts (a category which encompassed all the inhabitants of Europe west of the Danube) being considered filthy because Greeks didn’t understand or like the smell of soap. It’s a proto-race theory that was, at the very least, functional, as opposed to the self-destructive hypocrisies of white supremacy, even though it backed the Greeks just as much into a corner as people like Molyneux are feeling that they are now.

Romans are more interesting in their understanding of race because it was even more sociopolitically informed. There was a great monograph that I read maybe half a decade back about how Rome, by the time of the Principate, considered itself a universal empire that ruled the entire world. The meaningful distinction to the Romans, then, was who lived under “organized” rule (that is, under Roman rule) and who lived under “unorganized” rule (that is, under the rule of anyone else). There were still ethnic hatreds, like were seen when Gauls were admitted to the Senate under Claudius, but there wasn’t a more meaningful meta-category under which to organize those hatreds.

Anyway, that’s a lot of ink spilled to say that whiteness is made up and it’s laughable that Molyneux would try to claim the accomplishments of people who would consider him an illiterate barbarian (keeping in mind that, to the Romans and to most Europeans in the Middle Ages, “literacy” meant being able to speak and read Latin). Not to mention an entertainer (using that term loosely)! Lowest of the low.

Drungarios
Drungarios
3 years ago

@Talonknife

Well, once the longbow became widespread, yeah. But that was fairly late period (1300s onward). Before that, knights could and did win battles fairly frequently. It’s how what we think of medieval Europe (which started out restricted to France, western Germany, and Northern Italy) was able to expand so far. Countermeasures were eventually developed, but it took a while.

@Christopher Green

The SCA is actively trying to root them out, thankfully. The board has put policy into place that specifically prohibits racism, sexism, etc, along with general bullying and harassment. The penalties can be pretty severe, too, up to a lifetime ban.

Chris Oakley
3 years ago

Stefan Molyneux: the worst thing to happen to Canada since the October Crisis.

Bookworm in hijab
Bookworm in hijab
3 years ago

@ Drungarios,

Well, once the longbow became widespread, yeah. But that was fairly late period (1300s onward).

Pacifist though I am, I admit I’d love to see one of those Who Would Win inaginary-battle/alternate-history things between English longbow archers of the 100 Years War vs Ottoman Janissary archers of the 1400s. I leave others to do the novel-writing that would make this possible…

Also,

The SCA is actively trying to root them out, thankfully. The board has put policy into place that specifically prohibits racism, sexism, etc, along with general bullying and harassment. The penalties can be pretty severe, too, up to a lifetime ban.

Yes, I followed the whole Trimgate thing with horrified interest (from a distance, for which I am thankful). That’s a whole load of creepy that the SCA does not need! Ick ick ick…

Pie
Pie
3 years ago

@Ohlmann

Greeks who didn’t built anything in France in -2800 because greek civilisation was just starting

Please do note the difference between “~2800 years ago” and “in -2800”. Tildes are used to indicate approximation, but even without that “x years ago” is a relative point in time, not an absolute one. I suspect Dalillama refers to Marseille, which appears to have been founded around that sort of time (though I see figures of about 600BC rather than 800). That certainly gives it a reasonable claim to be the oldest city in what is now France, though as you’ve observed this doesn’t mean that it brought civilization as such.

AsAboveSoBelow
AsAboveSoBelow
3 years ago

The great minds of ancient Athens would almost certainly view Molyneux as a Celt and therefore a barbarian congenitally incapable of fully utilizing, let alone appreciating, the fullness of Greek civilization.

A hair-spiking, naked-warfaring, head-taking barbarian. Wait, no, he’s not that cool.

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