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On Gab, some are blaming yesterday’s school shooting — by a possible white supremacist — on the Jews

The accused shooter in a school yearbook picture

By David Futrelle

On Gab — the “free speech” social media site that has become something of a haven for the internet’s worst people — some of the regulars have come up with a rather inventive explanation for the Parkland, Florida school shooting yesterday that left 17 dead. It’s all the fault of the Jews.

Never mind that an explicitly fascist group claims the accused shooter, 19-year-old Nikolas Cruz, as a member, and says he participated in their paramilitary training exercises. As some of the best minds on Gab see it, Cruz is actually the puppet of a vast Jewish conspiracy — and probably a Jew himself.

Their evidence? The fact that Cruz is such a well-known Jewish surname.

Wait, what?

baeumler @baeumler PRO an hour Was the Florida Shooter Jewish? That appears to be the case. As his last name--from adopted family--is Cruz, which is a Jewish surname. Add in his middle name, Jacob, which is definitely Jewish and it looks like Nicholas Jacob Cruz is a Jew and not a white boy. Jacob is a popular Jewish name, since he was a patriarch.

While Cruz isn’t probably the first surname one thinks of when one thinks about Jewish surnames, there were some Spanish Jews who adopted the name to hide their Jewishness from the authorities … during the Spanish Inquisition. 500 years ago.

That of course isn’t proof that Cruz himself was Jewish.

Also, he was adopted.

But more than a few on Gab have something of a vested interest in trying to blame yesterday’s horrific carnage on a Jew or the Jews.  See if you can figure out what the hidden agenda is as you scroll through these lightly censored comments from a fellow who calls himself DrGasChamber.

 Dindu Nuffin @DrGasChamber 3 hours · in Florida School Shooting And schlomo news says... it's a white working with us far right evil nazi racist bigots! Oy Vey! This kike fake shooter isn't white and the jews need gas!

Dindu Nuffin @DrGasChamber 4 hours · in Florida School Shooting It's most likely another false flag using a jew that looks white and a fake name cruz... it's an attack on our liberty and freedom on #2a and bring more whites to cuck shsme and turn in guns to the kike patrol

Dindu Nuffin @DrGasChamber 7 hours · in BritFam For sure... and kikeservatives will go along with jew propaganda and not research cruz is a converted jew name most likely very common and the only people kikes fear are white.. so lets put more white shame on to all and take these guns away.. but most likely this mossad agent was armed by atf fbi or cia

A Gabber called stevec, meanwhile, isn’t completely sure there even was a shooting yesterday. But whatever happened, he’s pretty sure Jews are to blame.

 stevec @steve45 18 hours · in Valentine’s Day 2018 Valentine's Day Massacre in Parkland. Shooter is a Jew, Local Sheriff is a Jew, Local FBI agent in Charge is a Jew, near Boca Ratan, aka Jew central. I smell a FBI/Mossad black op. Did people really die, or was this just another drill, hoax false flag. Kid's shrink was probably his doper and handler. Jews always get 'even' on days of Christian Celebration.

 stevec @steve45 4 hours · in Florida School Shooting If someone was killed, which I highly doubt given all the fake wounds we saw being carried out, like a drill, this autistic Jew, Nick Cruz, did not do it, but pro shooters were used. Probably contract killers. The CIA/FBI use Mossad hit men often or Mafia (Mossad in drag). Filthy dirty local Jewish FBI 'agent in charge' either as fail or active participant in ff.

stevec @steve45 2 hours · in Florida School Shooting · edited lots of jewish victims start to emerge like jewish crisis actors, jewish fbi agents, jewish, sheriff, jewish mayor. jewish hero football coach. i sense a pattern here at at last. this is another darn holohoax.

stevec @steve45 3 hours · in Florida School Shooting Gab is full of so many unread people, why bother. Cruz is a name often taken by Sephardic Jews after they converted or faked conversion to Christianity. His features are typical of a Sephardic Jew. Quit blaming Hispanics.

One commenter, the not-so-accurately named @NameTheJew, even made a little meme.

And no, there is no evidence that Elliot Rodger — that’s him on the left — was Jewish either.

Needless to say, not everyone on Gab blames the Jews for whatever they think happened in Parkland Florida yesterday. A fellow called Pho Chan, for example, had a rather different take on the Jewish Question.

Pho Chan @phochanpol 2 hours · in Florida School Shooting Seeing the names of the victims, a lot of them echoes, and look very jewy, not sure if any of them was a real white (swimmer guy probably), there were also lot of spics, also one mud & one chink. Considering kikes are only 2% in USA, and more than one of them are definite jews, and nearly half of the killed definite breeding age non-whites, this spic shooter did well.

Lovely.

For more on Nikolas Cruz, a possible incel who has been hailed by incels online as an Elliot Rodger style hero, see my post yesterday.

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Weird (thumper of trumpanzees) Eddie
Weird (thumper of trumpanzees) Eddie
4 years ago

America, where are you now, don’t you care about your sons and daughters

Our flag again stands low, half-way up the pole
an angry white man killed again today
the reason’s plain to see, hatred, bigotry
but that’s not what our leaders say

guns can’t be discussed, nor can fascist blood lust
a day of mourning the president declares
the grief of those who’ve lost and the ever-mounting cost
swept aside by the sincerest thoughts and prayers

with fear and with alarm we watch the bigots take up arms
and massacre at churches, malls and schools
we plead with washington, but they say nothing can be done
as the blood of dead and dying victims pools

the outrage will fade away with the coming of the day
unless tomorrow someone kills again
our delinquent leadership has us all in the grip
of the firearms lobby’s terroristic reign

the right-wing politician runs on right to carry guns
‘cuz that’s more important than the price we pay
concern and sorrow feigned as they finance their campaign
with bloody money from the N.R.A.

Valentin - Emigrantski Ragamuffin
Valentin - Emigrantski Ragamuffin
4 years ago

Not all school shooters are mentally ill, but this one is.
The point should be is that his mental illness is about as relevent as his brown hair.

you can’t say this. you don’t know this is true or not. investigation is not yet concluded, even investigators don’t know what is a diagnosis for this person. so it is not fair that you should say this. plenty of evidence suggests already he is not mentally ill – but in both scenarios, we have no conclusion. and for me, it is much better we say he is NOT mentally ill, until confirmed because every time there is a shooting of this kind people say that shooter is mentally ill and like everyone already said, this is very very bad for mentally ill people and also it is simply for distraction from real problem – which is guns.

finally, history of violence and bad behaviour doesn’t mean that someone is mentally ill. I have history of bad behaviour – I am not mentally ill. I am sure if I done some crime people will also use this history to attack mentally ill people, so it is very important we make this clear. it is so common mentally ill people shown that they violent and dangerous – but simply this is not true. in real life it is opposite – generally mentally ill people are victims of crime, not criminals.

so, please, don’t say things like this when we don’t have evidence.

mrex
mrex
4 years ago

@Valentin

Your point is fair, but…

“so, please, don’t say things like this when we don’t have evidence.”

Unless it turns out to be fake news, I read that he’d been in treatment facilities before. I don’t know if he was involuntarily committed (Baker Acted in Florida-Florida has some of the loosest laws on involuntary commitment), but if he was, he shouldn’t have legally had a gun either.

Cruz had lost both his mother AND his father over the past year. By everything I’ve read he was NOT doing well. And all of which means poop. MENTAL DISORDER =/= CHARACTER DISORDER.

“I have history of bad behaviour – I am not mentally ill.”

Right. You’re character is what you make it. In general, you can’t “make” mental health, or mental illness.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
4 years ago

With that being said, “I didn’t mean it like that” (which is what I got out if abar’s response) is not gaslighting. No-one but abars knows what they meant. It is possible for two people to look at the same statement, and see two totally different things. Disagreeing obviously is not gaslighting.

I was very tired so maybe I wasn’t clear last night. It wasn’t the disagreement that I found gaslighty, it was the attitude that I was looking for malice and the “if I somehow came off as rude” thing. Since I had clearly stated it was a pattern of behavior going back for well over a year now, it seemed a little disingenuous to act like I was over reacting because I don’t know, I’m just mean or sensitive or whatever.

And yeah, that “I thought you were dead” thing rubbed me the wrong way too. Especially since there was another commenter who kept dropping to ask if he was dead and it eventually got them banned.

But whatever. I’ll drop it now.

PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
4 years ago

Mrex,

Cruz’s father died in 2004.

His mother died just last November.

Weird (thumper of trumpanzees) Eddie
Weird (thumper of trumpanzees) Eddie
4 years ago

By everything I’ve read he was NOT doing well.

My senior year in high school (1972-73) I was not doing well. In september my brother went to the navy, in november my mother died, in april my father died and in may my only close friend went to the air force. I went to college on my parents’ g.i. bill benefits and proceeded to drink and drug myself into a psychiatric ward. I had huge anger problems, and an enabler in the form of a college professor who got me sprung from the hospital (bad move in hindsight, I needed help in the worst way). I had no friends, no social skills, and no one to mentor me. I had ample access to guns at my grandparents’ house, including a functioning ww2-era .45 caliber submachine gun (“Chicago Piano” for the curious). I knew how to shoot and had been shooting periodically since I was 8 years old. What I did not have was a stomach full of entitlement and a head full of bigotry.

Different time, place, person, circumstance, yes. My point being, without the entitlement, hatred and bigotry, my chances of going on a shooting spree had to be greatly diminished. All the other pieces were in place… ALL the other pieces were in place!

E.T.A. I also, of course, did not have a social media to nurture any hatred and bigotry I might have had

Katamount (formerly Gussie Jives)
Katamount (formerly Gussie Jives)
4 years ago

I know I’ve cited Chapo a few times the last couple of days… just found that they had some of the best language in describing the alt-right and I found this excellent article describing the concept of the “failson”… and I have to say, it hit me kinda close to home:

https://www.sanspoint.com/archives/2016/12/01/watch-failson-internet-radicalizing-alt-right/

The Chapo Trap House hosts describe a failson as “twenty-six,” in Community College, and more interested “gaming and masturbating” than spending time with their family at Thanksgiving. Or, more compassionately as “nonessential human beings who do not fit into the market as consumers or producers or as laborers… Some of them turn into Nazis… Others become aware of the consequences of capitalism.”

The article goes on to describe how this kind of person is drawn to alt-right characters like Milo or Mike Cernovich, but it was the second-to-last paragraph that described me almost to a T:

This is a personal concern, not just because the people I love are at risk from what the radicalized failsons can do, but because it wasn’t that long ago when I too could have become a failson. Not long after I graduated college in 2008, I was unemployed, and struggling with my personal life and self-worth. I was lucky in that I had both a positive support network of family and friends, both online and off, that saved me from potential radicalization. I was also lucky in that this was before the toxic spaces of the internet like 4chan had fully mutated into their current form. But I know quite well the misery I was in, and how I longed for easy answers.

I just happened to graduate 1 year earlier and had steady employment in 2008 until the bottom fell out of the mining industry in concert with the financial crash and I was let go. I spent months as that failson until I began to volunteer my time with the tech department of a local crisis prevention network and got my self-esteem back.

Kind of a “there but for the grace of God go I” thing… especially when engineers like me are the most prone to radicalization. It’s kinda scary to think about, but I have the feeling that the “failson” description is going to be applied to more and more perpetrators of terrible tragedies going forward…..

abars01
abars01
4 years ago

Christ alive, I’ll never comment again if I’m upsetting people this much with what I thought were completely innocuous single sentences. I’m only inevitably going to end up doing it again, aren’t I.

Knitting Cat Lady
Knitting Cat Lady
4 years ago

mrex:

Being in a mental health facility != being mentally ill

Substance abuse can get you there. Being an angry young person can get you there. Young people who have for some reason not learned essential social skills can get therapy for that. Learning disabilities often require the services of mental health providers.

Therapy is used to process traumatic stuff and process grief.

He received mental health treatment. That does not necessarily mean that he has a mental health condition.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
4 years ago

Oh for fuck’s sake.

Why does someone saying “hey this comment is problematic for such and such a reason, please knock it off” so often end in pissiness and a flounce?

Moon_custafer
Moon_custafer
4 years ago

Also, I don’t know how relevant this is to the discussion, but as I understand it the courts define mental illness way, *way* more narrowly than the medical profession, at least when it comes to concepts like the “insanity plea.”

dust bunny
dust bunny
4 years ago

@ wwth

It almost seems like a universal human tendency to resist learning whenever possible. To the point of getting tantrum level defensive if someone is trying to teach you without having the status to intimidate you into listening to them.

I know I tended to work this way before I deliberately unlearned the habit. I still really, really hate having to listen to talk about things I’m not sufficiently familiar with and specifically interested in, or having to learn to use a new OS for example. I can feel my spoons being drained and my instinct is to escape the situation if possible.

Shadowplay
4 years ago

Seeing stuff now that, no, the shitstain wasn’t a member of yon white supremacy group. The guy running the group was supposedly trolling the press.

Which is just as fucking bad, if true.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
4 years ago

Well, if that MAGA hat picture is real, than I would say that he is. Even if he wasn’t trained or whatever.

It also really illustrates just how real white privilege is. It’s hard to imagine a higher up in idk, the Black Panthers or Nation of Islam (hard to find an equivalent to a white nationalist group for obvious reasons so this as close as I can, sorry it’s not fully adequate) deciding to troll the press by falsely taking partial credit for a mass murder. Because doing so would result in immediate terrorism charges and a trip to federal prison or worse. Clearly the guy who made this claim is aware at least on some level that he has that privilege. This is why I don’t bother to treat claims that white people/men/straight people/cis people/Christians are oppressed these days as something I should take seriously as sincerely believed by the claimant and try to patiently reason with them. They all know they aren’t oppressed.

Shadowplay
4 years ago

@wwth

It also really illustrates just how real white privilege is …

Not going to quote the whole lot 😛

Perfectly said.

Valentin - Emigrantski Ragamuffin
Valentin - Emigrantski Ragamuffin
4 years ago

yes I agree with knitting cat lady, to be in facility does not mean someone is mentally ill. and also I still believe it is very good idea we don’t talk at all about mentally illness. it is guns and entitlement which cause this.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
4 years ago

Seeing stuff now that, no, the shitstain wasn’t a member of yon white supremacy group. The guy running the group was supposedly trolling the press.

Or, more likely, the goosestepping fuckspud realised that all publicity is not good publicity and is desperately trying to stuff the cat back in the bag.

Shadowplay
4 years ago

@David – respectable lawyer had a tweet about it, I think, though I saw it somewheres else. Know you follow them.

@SFHC – that were my first thought, damage control.
Really don’t know though, and honestly don’t much care if the Nazis lied then or are lying now. End result of either is “they’re evil fucks.”

mrex
mrex
4 years ago

@PV

“Cruz’s father died in 2004.”

*looks up*. You’re right. The point still stands that Cruz lost both parents before 19.

@knitting cat lady
“Being in a mental health facility != being mentally ill”

How are you defining “mental illness”?

@Valentin
“and also I still believe it is very good idea we don’t talk at all about mentally illness. it is guns and entitlement which cause this.”

Yah, I agreed that it’s guns and entitlement that caused this. But you can be mentally ill, AND be an entitled asshole. And we can’t just ignore the mental illness card, since the ass on chief is playing it. It needs to be addressed.

Fun fact about the US justice system; 64 percent of local jail inmates, 56 percent of state prisoners and 45 percent of federal prisoners have symptoms of serious mental illnesses. Generally that is due to drug use (yes substance abuse disorders are mental illnesses), or because we refuse to treat out mentally ill and perfer to lock them up for homelessness or stealing to eat or whatever.

mrex
mrex
4 years ago

@abars

“Christ alive, I’ll never comment again if I’m upsetting people this much with what I thought were completely innocuous single sentences.”

I don’t think anyone’s that upset with you. I know this place can be kinda dicks over twisting words, but I think it is because communication over text based places honestly sucks. You never know how your words will sound to someone in a different headspace.

I know I’ve had the same problem that you’re having know, and yeah, it’s VERY frustrating.

@wwth

Got it.

Weatherwax
Weatherwax
4 years ago

@abars01

At the risk of provoking yet another response, as a bystander, it’s clear to me that your initial comment wasn’t what caused the response; it was your inability to own the mistake and move on.

WWTH has explained clearly that the first clause of your post needed deleting. That it was superfluous to your meaning. Instead of “my bad, I can see how it could be misconstrued”, your response was practically the definition of “flouncing” – except that implies an exit, and you’ve repeated it a number of times.

The written word can be tricky. One of the things I love about this blog is that most commenters, when called out, say “oops sorry will try not to do again”, and it’s all over. You didn’t do that. No need to reply with yet another “so I’d better go to the garden and eat worms” response. No need to respond at all. Just… have a think. Or not. Up to you.

ETA Slightly ninja’d by WWTH and mrex. I’ll be shutting up now (on this topic). Maybe others might like to join me.

mrex
mrex
4 years ago

@Weird (thumper of trumpanzees) Eddie

Ok, I just got a chance to carefully read your entire post. I’m really, really sorry that all happened to you. So much at once, and so young. 🙁

We agree that the reason why you didn’t go on a shooting spree was because you are an awesome person, while Cruz is an gigantic entitled asshole.

Or see, my entire long rant about how mental illness has nothing to do with a person’s character. Good or bad.

PeeVee the Tired
PeeVee the Tired
4 years ago

Re: the MAGA photo:

Another video has surgaced online of him wearing that hat.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2018/02/16/nikolas-cruz-target-practice-video-ebof.cnn

Not blaming that hat, per se, but.

Re: gentle corrections:

My opinion, which absolutely nobody asked for, is take the correction, don’t reframe the point of contention…just move on.

Valentin - Emigrantski Ragamuffin
Valentin - Emigrantski Ragamuffin
4 years ago

And we can’t just ignore the mental illness card, since the ass on chief is playing it. It needs to be addressed.

it only “needs to be adressed” only to say mental illness is not cause of mass shootings. of course trump will say this, because this is what happens. after shootings, people again ask for gun control, and then people who are pro-gun make same arguement, “shooter is mentally ill”. he says what every pro-gun person says, to change subject away from what is real problem.

there is nothing to “adressed” mentally ill people are not dangerous and generally, in all the world, statistics are same for mental illness, even if you live in florida or france or Phillipeans. so we must address what is different, and what is different is guns and secondly, development of nation. USA relatively rich and well developed, so good environment for entitlement to grow.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2014/04/anger_causes_violence_treat_it_rather_than_mental_illness_to_stop_mass_murder.html

In the wake of a string of horrific mass shootings by people who in many cases had emotional problems, it has become fashionable to blame mental illness for violent crimes. It has even been suggested that these crimes justify not only banning people with a history of mental illness from buying weapons but also arming those without such diagnoses so that they may protect themselves from the dangerous mentally ill. This fundamentally misrepresents where the danger lies.

They want for you to talk about mental illness because it is distraction from real problem – guns. it is not what we ‘ must address”, only they want you to believe this.

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