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Terrible people celebrate Sessions confirmation with racism, gloating, more racism

From Occidental Dissent. Yes, that is Jeff Sessions’ head photoshopped onto the body of a confederate general. Which they think is a good thing.

Huh. I wonder what the internet’s worst people are saying about the confirmation of Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III for Attorney General.

Let’s go to Twitter and look!

Here’s a reaction from one of the more “respectable” white supremacist sites:

And here’s the reaction from David Duke, the least likeable of the Duke brothers:

https://twitter.com/DrDavidDuke/status/829495757627617280

https://twitter.com/DrDavidDuke/status/829513407648899072

https://twitter.com/DrDavidDuke/status/829580372367253504

Let’s see what this Twitter rando who calls himself @DinduDingus has to say:

https://twitter.com/DinduDingus/status/829503948423884804

And here’s an assortment of other terrible people:

https://twitter.com/robarellano/status/829493652531605504

https://twitter.com/polNewsNetwork1/status/829489370663100416

https://twitter.com/PlainFox/status/829493792994631680

https://twitter.com/DennisL656/status/829514109578260480

https://twitter.com/Alt_Right_/status/829495101583941633

https://twitter.com/Portosj81/status/829502089768423425

https://twitter.com/jake_bradford_1/status/829503770262372356

https://twitter.com/CuriousVoid/status/829513843969634304

https://twitter.com/josemay1945/status/829514497136160768

https://twitter.com/ownedjack/status/829487883362979841

The “lock her up” crowd is pretty excited as well:

https://twitter.com/Chatzworth1/status/829490424674910208

https://twitter.com/OmegaMan34/status/829493909814284288

https://twitter.com/sandycaina/status/829506776009629696

https://twitter.com/JaynePenelope/status/829499443577778177

https://twitter.com/AvgAmericanDude/status/829508816534388736

https://twitter.com/JoshNoneYaBiz/status/829500191472500736

https://twitter.com/mitc1205_connie/status/829498456226021376

Yes, Connie, we knew you were referring to Hillary.

This “new era” doesn’t actually seem very new at all.

UPDATE: I added some more tweets from Mr. Duke that he tweetered after this post originally went up.

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Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
5 years ago

@booburry

I basically am seeing a ton of white progressives with good intentions blatantly ignoring the fact that minorities don’t seem to be super enthused about The High Sanders

Road to perdition something something

Seems like they’re so focused on bringing working class whites etc. into the fold that they forget that they(we!) can’t win elections without POC. And it’s bullshit to keep telling them to stfu and vote for whoever the white Dems decide on

Preach!

In general I’m all for the politics of the so called “justice democrats” as long as they can find a way to give people of color (women especially) a voice and stomp out the “identity politics are poison” folks

The (apparently not social) justice democrats were created by and for people who have no real interest in intersectional progress. Especially Kulinski, but Sanders and Uygur too. The ‘identity politics are poison’ folks are a feature not a bug, I’m afraid

These are generally the same folks who still don’t think Bernie Bros ever existed or that they were a few trolls similar to gamergate defenders

‘Berniebros aren’t real, you stupid bitch’
http://www.troll.me/images/obama-isnt-happy/bruh-thumb.jpg

Hambeast (fan of diversity)
Hambeast (fan of diversity)
5 years ago

eli said

Certain people are just entirely resistant to any meaning below the most obvious surface of things. I see it plenty with older people too.

Older person here, but this is something that I’ve grappled with all my life, and it’s not resistance, but very much like what dlouwe said here:

I find this really interesting, because I’ve always had a great deal of trouble figuring out themes and subtext, and at times it’s made me feel insecure, but at no point have I ever felt the need to argue against the idea of theme or subtext. Like, when people bring it up, I think “Oh that’s neat, I wish I could have figured that out on my own!”

I have often wondered if it has anything to do with my extreme willingness to suspend disbelief in the face of any and all entertainment media. In fact, one of my YouTube obsessions is a particular movie critic who points out these things and I find it endlessly fascinating because I don’t think of them myself.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
5 years ago

@Axe
Kyle still thinks that Nazi apologist Sargon of Akkad is a legitimate talking head.

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
5 years ago

Thanks for all the replies, everyone! Some fabulous comments in here. That’s why I love this place – well, one of the reasons, at least. So many smarty-smarts in here. You all get gold stars!

I think that @mildlymagnificent may be the closest to this particular case I was talking about. The guy in my anecdote isn’t sexist or racist – well, he ain’t woke, but he’s compassionate and thoughtful when something bubbles up into his consciousness. He’s actually a social worker who spends his days working in a nursing home for schizophrenic people, and will defend them and their dignity like a bulldog. He’s a good egg. I think that he’s just not creative enough to see the meanings that lurk inside of media.

It’s a weird concept to me, I guess – I instinctively pull apart anything I read or watch for its themes. I can’t fathom watching something like The Matrix just for fight scenes and cool effects.

(Then again, I basically don’t watch Hollywood movies at all anymore, since there’s really not a lot beneath that)

Gotta wonder if that’s the same issue that plagues the terminally sexist/racist. They don’t believe that harm is being caused because they literally can’t imagine things outside of their lived experiences. Huh.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
5 years ago

@Oogly

Kyle still thinks that Nazi apologist Sargon of Akkad is a legitimate talking head

Yeah, Kulinkski was the 1st to go in my purge of White Liberal(tm) and brogressive media in late 2015/early 2016. Good fuckin riddance to the lot

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
5 years ago

I have no idea who Kulinski is, but I get the impression that I’m not missing much.

I’d go on a purge of brogressive/white liberal media that I take in, but I don’t think I’d have much left otherwise. Needless to say, I don’t really get much news without me rolling my eyes and gritting my teeth these days…

booburry
5 years ago

@Axe ? you’re right you’re right. It’s just so damn frustrating. People thinking they’re going to magically garner more votes by being like “you need to get with this specific program or you’re neoliberal shill”.
But Hillary saying it was high time for a woman to be president was divisive. *sigh*

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
5 years ago

@Scildfreja

I’d go on a purge of brogressive/white liberal media that I take in, but I don’t think I’d have much left otherwise

Not an easy choice, granted. However works for you tho!

@booburry

But Hillary saying it was high time for a woman to be president was divisive

#dealmein 🙂

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
5 years ago

@Axe, I’ve gotten pretty good at watching news media that I don’t entirely agree with, like The Young Turks. I sometimes have to just watch the headlines and details, then skip the commentary afterwards, though – they telegraph what their opinions are pretty clearly. Some of them on there are pretty darn intersectional, even if the other half of’em aren’t at all. So I can deal with that.

Friend of mine is a fan of Rebel Media, which is a Canada-specific internet news outlet that’s worse than Fox, and that’s something I can’t sit through. I tried to awhile ago, to try to understand their perspective, but ugh. I sat through twelve minutes of Ezra Levant crying about how the Carbon Tax Inspectors for the new carbon tax up here were like a personal government Gestapo… while they have the same powers and limitations as food and health inspectors. So incredibly biased.

My filter is basically whether the media station allows vocal, strong dissent of opinion amongst its main commentators, and whether that dissent is respected. It’s not perfect, but it’s working so far, I think.

Dalillama, Shepherd of Demonic Crocodiles
Dalillama, Shepherd of Demonic Crocodiles
5 years ago

I tend to agree with IP, in that I think that the Democrats would benefit electorally from a hard skew to the left; take something like BLM’s platform as the party baseline and run on that, they’d make hay. You can’t fight false populism with milquetoast centrism, nor with austerity and neoliberal bullshit. You need a proper populist platform, and the Democrats haven’t had one of those in my lifetime. (Or ever, really, but that’s a much longer discussion). Unfortunately, the last election provided a fascist appealing to the white working class, a quisling appealing to the white working class, and a neoliberal centrist. Who frankly mostly focused her appeals on whites AFAICT, if a little less.

@Boobury
The ‘justice democrats’ appear to have the same problem the party mostly has. Which, as I pointed out in another thread recently, is that most of the party leadership (and much of the white rank and file) are actually also white supremacists, just not as devoted to cutting off their own noses from spite. This is because white supremacy is built into the very bedrock of the United States, and has always been an intrinsic part of our culture. All American white people are raised as white supremacists to a greater or lesser degree, and those who don’t actively examine their actions on a continuous basis will continue to act in accordance with it, even when they say they aren’t. TLDR:They mostly don’t give a shit about intersectional concerns, but they’re willing to let those people tag along while they help cishet whites.
Also, that Ugyur fuck being involved makes me hate the ‘justice democrats’ by reflex. I mean, if they do good things, great, I’d love to see some of those planks enacted, for everyone’s benefit, but it’s a start, far from an end.

Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ dalillama

I was just thinking of you when I saw this. I may as well post it here though as it seems to cover some of the points raised, although opinions on the conclusion may well differ.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/10/fake-news-russia-comey-poor-answers-why-donald-trump-won

dlouwe
dlouwe
5 years ago

@Hambeast

I have often wondered if it has anything to do with my extreme willingness to suspend disbelief in the face of any and all entertainment media.

I, too, have an incredibly easily suspended disbelief (this extends to dreams and social interactions), which certainly could have something to do with it – I believe things to be true as they’re presented, and rarely try to look for anything deeper.

But on top of that, even when I’m looking for it, subtext tends to be pretty invisible to me. It always seems so obvious when pointed out, but I don’t even understand how to look for those sorts of connections. It just seems fundamentally impossible (or at least improbable) to be able to sift through every moment of a 90 minute film and recognize the few important ones that connect to form a clearly implied meaning. (Also possibly related: I’m crap at word puzzles)

@Scildfreja

It’s a weird concept to me, I guess – I instinctively pull apart anything I read or watch for its themes. I can’t fathom watching something like The Matrix just for fight scenes and cool effects.

I tend to instead pull apart the construction of movies. Filming, editing, direction, etc. I watch movies for the experience they provide – what they make me think and feel – and I love studying how they got me to think and feel those things. Like the thriller that enhances tension by skipping establishing shots, or the thoughtful drama that uses careful set decoration to foreshadow and reinforce the story. Every Frame a Painting is basically my bible.

Dalillama : Shepherd of Demonic Crocodiles.
Dalillama : Shepherd of Demonic Crocodiles.
5 years ago

@Alan
See, that’s the problem with so much mainstream (i.e. white) political analysis. It ignores the elephant in the room. The bottom line is that progressive or leftist policy is never going anywhere in this country on the white vote.

Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ dalillama

That’s why I thought of you when I read it; and that’s the Guardian.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ dalillama

I’ve just realised ‘White elephant in the room’ is a cool title for an article. Although it’s a bit obvious I suppose. You know if anyone’s used it yet?

Dalillama : Shepherd of Demonic Crocodiles.
Dalillama : Shepherd of Demonic Crocodiles.
5 years ago

Not that I’m aware of.

eli
eli
5 years ago

@Hambeast

I didn’t mean to single out older people necessarily, but just say it’s not just young dudes, although they may be more prevalent on the internet.

I believe Scildfreja brought up Brave New World. I stayed over at my aunt’s house many years ago now, but pulled that book off the bookshelf and started reading it and asked if I could take it with me to finish it, that I would bring it back and she said yes. When we talked about it after I returned it, I felt there was no way we had read the same book. I felt like maybe she hadn’t read it at all. Like she thought it was about bad people and how they should be punished for the good of good people.

So I was just trying to point out that while young dudes may be loud on the internet, that this ‘problem,’ and I put it in scare quotes because…

Ok, not sure how to say it. I’m always told I’m the problem because I always see the subtext. And then it’s denied and then I’m called names. It’s been a really spectacularly rough day today.

kupo
kupo
5 years ago

@eli
Sorry you’re having a rough day. 🙁

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
5 years ago

<3 Eli. You deserve to do something nice for yourself! I hope tomorrow is better. You go ahead and vent all you like!

You bring up a really good point though, about the problem you're facing – you're the problem because you're the one talking about the subtext and the issues.

It's the same problem writ large across western society right now. They shout at us "leftists" (God I hate that term) for bringing up "Identity politics". We’re the racists, the sexists, because we’re the ones pointing out that there are things going on that no one’s confronting. They can’t see beneath the surface for whatever reason, so they think we’re trying to get some sort of advantage over them by calling them names.

That seems to be it? I don’t know – it seems pretty explicative. It’d be interesting to do a study which asks participants to a) watch a short film with a subtext, b) ask them what they thought the themes of the film were, and c) ask them their opinions on racism, sexism and politics are. Just a guess, but my H1 on that is that we’d see a correlation between sexism/racism/bigotry and an inability to see subtext.

Gosh, I wonder what my budget is gonna be this summer?

kupo
kupo
5 years ago

It bleeds into other areas, too. The person who complains to HR about sexual harassment is just a troublemaker. The disabled person asking for accommodation is being unreasonable. Etc. If you don’t go along with the status quo, you’re the problem. It can’t be that the way things were needed fixing because it’s working just fine for everyone else (so they think).

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
5 years ago

yeah, exactly, @kupo. The question is whether they think everything’s fine because of a lack of imagination – they’re just incapable (or haven’t been trained) of feeling empathy, because they can’t imagine what the life of those other people could be like.

If that’s the case, you can do things to help – you can encourage creativity, imagination, empathy-building, etc. It’s an informative thing to know at least!

rogue angel
rogue angel
5 years ago

@ Hambeast and dlouwe: count me in when it comes to not looking for or finding subtext. *blushes*

I was the kid that even my own parents said never had “street smarts”. Someone said something in a confident, articulate way? I believed it. In my case, I’d been the classic hides-in-books type without much experience in dealing with people, but I even took what I read at face value. (There would’ve been a picture of a younger me next to the word “naïve” in the dictionary.) It took me until my thirties to work out that it was even necessary to look for subtext, context, or shades of meaning. In my case, it wasn’t that I didn’t notice the details or subtle cues or times when things didn’t “feel” right; it was that I didn’t consider them important. (Realizing the importance of those in hindsight, however? Been there.)

@ Scildfreja: I’ve probably been somewhat like the guy you described, except without the defensiveness. My response as a younger adult might’ve been equal parts surprise, confusion, and cluelessness w/r/t the movie. (The last time I saw The Matrix, in my twenties, I’d only gotten as far as working out that the plot revolved around Neo freeing his mind from some sort of authority’s control. Maybe I was halfway there?) As far as an awareness of oppression and privilege goes, it took me a long time to get even the general idea–probably too long. It took a lot of blatant statements before Captain Oblivious here started noticing things like racial profiling and class-based privilege.

guest
guest
5 years ago

Here’s an unbirthday gift for all of those ‘science is always perfect and right all the time’ dudes:

https://www.amazon.com/Golem-Should-About-Science-Classics/dp/1107604656

Anarchonist
Anarchonist
5 years ago

So much interesting discussion in this thread! I’m glad the Folding Ideas video was linked, that is one of my favorite takes on the #GG debacle.

I have my own theories on the subtext discussion that come close to many of the ideas presented here. They have to do with the unwillingness of certain people, especially those who subscribe to right-wing policies, to see “evil” as punishable first and foremost (which is why right-wingers are big on punishment, not rehabilitation, for law-breakers). Their black-and-white view of the world prevents them from seeing nuance and realizing that even decent people can have bad thoughts and problematic views. Instead, they decide to shoot the messenger, the person who points out the problematic things in the first place. The unwillingness to improve is a byproduct of a worldview where being wrong is so undesirable that one has to try to alter reality rather than admit to one’s mistakes. Hence, the Trump administration.

@kupo

Ok, so I decided to read but only got about as far as this part. It’s an advantage to have boys? How the fuck so? Please, explain to my ladybrain why I should find it to be an advantage to have a boy if I love in a world where men beat women regularly? And an advantage that only comes to be once one has already reproduced can’t influence selection, so…

The idea that a man’s ability to produce a male heir (remember, the child is fully the cis man’s product, the cis woman is just the soil for the man’s seed and uggggh I feel dirty even typing this) directly correlates with violence and sexual virility as disgusting bedfellows are really staples of an environment marinated in toxic masculinity, aren’t they? The myth about men’s abusive qualities being what attracts women to men in the first place are just a by-the-by in a society where someone occasionally asks: “well, what do women actually want?” It’s just so sickening.

Moocow
5 years ago

@WWTH

Yeah, that evopsych “scientist” who made that claim is the same one who argued that black women are ugly because science. So he’s pretty much the worst.

I learned about him for the first time just a few weeks ago when I need some help from awesome mammotheers (I forget if you were part of that) to debunk an evo-psych-thumping reddit troll I was arguing with. His article was on how ‘boy monkeys have a preference for wheeled toys therefore this proves genders differences are natural’, not as offensive as this crap, but just as unscientific.

Whilst the asshat turned out to be arguing in bad faith, I did learn a lot about the flaws in the stupid ‘monkeys with toys’ experiments.

@Gussie Jives

I think Kootiepatra’s on to it there. With a lot of the GamerGate meltdowns throughout the internet, the rank and file gamers who through their lot in with the movement were upset that somehow feminists and cultural critics like Anita Sarkeesian were making value judgments about them due to their enjoyment of particular games.

I can corroborate. I think they also had an intense fear of being caled sexist, cuz nobody likes a sexist (exact same thing with alt right and racists) Some of the most devastating arguments I used vs GGers were:

“It’s possible to like a video game and still criticize it”
“Actually Anita Sarkeesian never said that”
And “Nostalgia Chick did a feminist critique of 90s cartoons called ‘the smurfette principle’, how is that any different from Anita Sakreesian’s video?”

Fuck, why did I not realize that arguments with GGers would foreshadow the rise of America Fascism in politics? What a world…

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