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MRAs: Women Should Have to Register for the Draft Even Though They’re Unfit for Combat

Women in the military: A threat to MRAs, not to feminists
Women in the military: A threat to MRAs, not to feminists

Few subjects cause Men’s Rights Activists to become as irrationally angry as the requirement that young American men register for selective service.

MRAs regularly declare this obligation to be a form of “slavery,” a sign that society views men not as human beings but as “mere beasts of burden designed for the expendable whims of a gynocentric system.” If you’re a man in the United States, A Voice for Men’s “Janet Bloomfield” indignantly announces, “you must agree to die.”

Well, not so much. There is no draft, and there is approximately zero chance it will be resurrected any time in the forseeable future. But that doesn’t stop MRAs from complaining endlessly that women are allowed to vote, and own property, and do all sorts of other citizeny things without having to undergo the meaningless exercise of signing their names on a selective service registration card.

But it looks like that’s going to change. Now that women are being allowed into combat positions in the armed forces, it seems all but inevitable that women will be required to register alongside men.

You might expect MRAs to be jumping for joy at the very prospect. Nope. Because, it turns out, many MRAs don’t think women belong in combat positions — or even in the armed forces at all. Women, they say, just aren’t up to the job.

In a post on AVFM yesterday, for example, Michael Conzachi derides the notion of women in combat as a “monstrously stupid social engineering” experiment, claiming that anyone who knows anything about combat knows

that women simply do not have the physical strength nor the warrior, “Sheep Dog” mind set to do this dangerous arduous job, and to voluntarily and willingly place themselves in harm’s way; to protect the Sheep from the Wolf.

Adjusting his metaphors slightly, he goes on to declare that

You don’t hook up a covered wagon to a sheep, not even if you put a Rambo mask on it, you hook it up to a horse. Is that not clear? …

This is not an issue of equality, it’s an issue of ability.

Weirdly, Conzachi also waxes indignant at what he thinks will be the reaction of feminists to the possibility that women will have to register for the (still nonexistent) draft:

The shrill lobby who jumped up and down like circus monkeys screaming and demanding that all military combat jobs are open to women, will now start jumping up and down like circus monkeys complaining that they didn’t really mean that women will now have to actually register for the draft, and if they don’t, they will be subject to the same penalties and possible prosecution as men if they fail to do so.

The typical delusional uber-feminist speak, “we demand, we demand, we demand, combat jobs.” “Oops; well, we didn’t really mean that we would have to register for the draft, and be subject to the same penalties as men if we fail to do so, we just want equality, equality, equality.”

It’s a revealing complaint. I’ve seen precisely zero feminist opposition to the idea that women should be required to register for the (nonexistent) draft alongside men. Sure, I know plenty of feminists who would prefer that neither men nor women have to register; indeed, I’m one of them.

But the feminists who have been pushing to open the armed forces fully to women have done so knowing that equality would almost certainly result in women being required to register.

Indeed, when selective service registration was restarted back in 1980, the National Organization for Women and the League of Women Voters were two of the plaintiffs in a lawsuit that would have made women as well as men subject to the registration requirement.

Yes, that’s right: they wanted women to be subject to the same requirements as men — even though at the time women didn’t have the same opportunities as men in the armed forces. As the New York Times summarized their views, NOW and the other plaintiffs felt that “women [would be] relegated to second-class citizenship by exclusion from a fundamental obligation of citizenship.”

The Supreme Court ruled against them, and male-only registration continues to this day.

Feminists don’t have a problem with equality in the armed forces; MRAs do. It will be interesting to see their reaction as they lose this favorite talking point of theirs.

Because, let’s be honest, that’s pretty much all it is. Registration is essentially meaningless. Not only has no one been drafted since selective service registration was reinstituted in 1980, but no one has been prosecuted for failure to register since 1986. (There were only a tiny handful of cases from 1980-86, mostly brought on by plaintiffs challenging the law.)

MRAs complain that — as they see it — women have been given the right to vote without taking on the obligation to serve (or at least the obligation to sign a meaningless piece of paper that in some alternate world might lead to them being required to serve). But MRAs, or certainly a good portion of them, also think that women are psychologically and physically incapable of taking on this obligation.

It seems abundantly clear that MRAs don’t really want gender equality, in the military or anywhere else; they want women to be relegated forever to second-class status.

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EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
6 years ago

@guy:
I assumed that the facial tattoo and education rules were at least partially a coded race- and class-based thing.

mockingbird
mockingbird
6 years ago

And people are pretty healthy, these days. I wonder what proportion of the cohort from, say, 1941 would pass today’s standard.

Many, actually, if you’re just talking about the physical aspects, since many of the disqualification happen because of visible tattoos, a criminal record (especially when you consider how many people are currently arrested for non-violent drug offenses), or weight / PT requirements.
We were significantly less sedentary back in 1941, if for no other reasons than that we did more walking and a higher percentage of the population worked in agriculture.

That’s not to say that I agree with all of the criteria in place today – if someone can pass the PT requirements, who cares how they tape as long as they can still use standard issue equipment? – though I do agree with having some standards in place re: tattoos (gang activity amongst the lower enlisted is a legitimate concern, if for no other reason than that you don’t want Solider A to not have Soldier B’s back because of shit from back on the block).

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

More people would pass the education requirement though. I know people like to imagine we’re getting less educated and more ignorant by the year, but we’re not. I think a lot of it is fear mongering from those who want to privatize education.

guy
guy
6 years ago

As I understand it, the education requirement is mostly because a high-school education is generally handy. It’s not necessary for a private in the infantry, but artillery wants people who can do calculus, senior enlisted write a lot of reports, maintenance requires good technical literacy, etc. Reason enough to impose it if they can still get enough recruits with it in place.

Josh
Josh
6 years ago

I don’t know if it’s too late to keep mentioning female warriors, but there was Wang Yi, a general under Cao Cao during the three kingdoms era.

nparker
nparker
6 years ago

@ weirwoodtreehugger

Yeah, I don’t quite understand quite what’s wrong with parents being given a choice of kinds of school. Like, do people really want to take away the choice to send a child to the type they’d be happiest at, rather than for some abstract ideological point?

queensolomon
queensolomon
6 years ago

Of the three countries I have citizenship in one drafts only men and is widely recognised as a Terrible Place To Be A Woman, one drafts men and women, and one hasn’t drafted anyone since the 1940s. Naturally, the second and third have fallen to the hordes of ISIS.

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