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Masculinist India: A woman-hating "Men's Rights" group even more extreme than its Western inspirations

Feminists made me a misogynist: from Masculinist India
Feminists made me a misogynist: from Masculinist India

Congratulations, A Voice for Men. You are having an impact upon the world.

Or at least upon one organization in India, a truly reprehensible group called Masculinist India, which has adopted the histrionic rhetorical style, and even some of the specific arguments, advanced by AVFM and other North American Men’s Rights groups for a series of graphically challenged “masculinist” memes posted on Facebook and on the group’s web page. Masculinist India has even adopted AVFM’s preferred nomenclature, describing its members as “Men’s Human Rights Activists.” They are of course the complete opposite of “human rights” activists, campaigning instead against basic rights for women.

The influence of AVFM and other Western Men’s Rightsers can been seen again and again in Masculinist India’s posts and memes, which have all the sophistication and subtlety of Chick Tracts.

The “feminists made me a misogynist” logic of the meme above, for example, echoes the argument made in “Hate Bounces,” an influential MRA screed by MRA/MGTOW elder “Zed,” and by countless other MRAs including former AVFM Number Two John Hembling.

Other memes borrow not only the arguments of Western MRAs but recycle the same tired stock photos, like the angry woman in this meme, a favorite amongst Western MRAs.

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Masculinist India’s graphics-makers are as obsessed with this “argument” as is AVFM’s Paul Elam.

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And they share AVFM’s fondness for threatening rhetoric — in this case complete with violent imagery.

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And while AVFM’s Elam argues that men serving on juries should vote to acquit all men charged with rape, even if they’re obviously guilty, in order to protest an allegedly “misandrist” court system, the Masculinist India crew celebrates a court decision allowing married men to rape their wives with impunity. The following meme appears on their website under the taunting headline “Know Your Role, Girls.”  [TRIGGER WARNING for rape apologism, offensive imagery.]

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I don’t even want to know why they chose bloody fingers for this graphic.

This meme, meanwhile, suggests that it’s an injustice that men are not allowed to forbid their wives from wearing blue jeans.

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Human rights: You’re doing it wrong.

Unfortunately, Masculinist India is not some obscure little group with no influence in the world. Its Facebook page has nearly twenty thousand “likes” — several thousand more, that is, than that of AVFM itself.

Apparently in India as well as the United States there is a market for this brand of hatred.

NOTE: Thanks to Cloudiah for bringing these memes to my attention.

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hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

I do sincerely hope that feminist ideals and high sex drive aren’t mutually exclusive.

Someone hand me my eyes, they just rolled out of my head.

Just A Guy, just stop. Take your concern for the socially awkward dude who can’t get a date and go away.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
7 years ago

@alaisvex:

Ah, I see, that makes sense. And you’re right, Just a Guy sounds very much like those trolls. They really can’t fathom that sex is an activity between multiple people rather than something a dude obtains, can they?

Bina
7 years ago

However, if the sex does stop in a marriage, what’s a guy to do?

Well, for starters, DO NOT RAPE. You could have a good heart-to-heart conversation, preferably in a marriage counsellor’s office. And if that doesn’t help, get a divorce and find someone who’s more your speed. But don’t even CONTEMPLATE forcing her to do it. That is seriously not kosher, and no, it’s not an “explanation”, either.

But I do have concern about this: introverted and socially awkward guys, even if they’re not too terribly ugly, could have massive trouble meeting women. Whether women with similar odds stacked against them are any better off remains uncertain, considering that any positive assumption would amount to the grass always appearing greener on the other side.

Hi, introverted and sometimes socially awkward woman here. No, the grass is NOT greener on this side. I won’t say how long it’s been since I was with someone, only that it’s been rather too long for my liking. But I’m not going to obsess over it, nor am I just going to grab some dude of the street and jump him. I firmly advise you to make no assumptions whatsoever.

Puddleglum
7 years ago

I think this is the standard ‘but what about my manfeels?’ Ugh. Agreeing with katz, the ‘remains uncertain’ is crap.

Just A Guy
Just A Guy
7 years ago

Look guys (and gals). I suggest we drop this topic. I do think I’m on the same side as you. What has been said about the issue is all fair and sound. I do hope that I’m not expected to agree with every single person on everything, if that’s the only way to avoid being considered as suspect or worse still, somehow in cahoots with MRAs. Also, “troll” is a bit of a snarl word at this point, I’d rather not participate in devaluing of this term.

Back to the masculinist Indian guys: one does wonder what Freud would say about all of these MRAs, there’s definitely a lot of psychological mess to both the Anglo-American MRM as well as the Indian MRM shit. The guys who are worried that they will lose out to wealthier men or that they will be in it for a great harm or that they will not get laid anymore after a certain point, are not very sure of themselves now are they?

Bina
7 years ago

So, you didn’t get the answers you were expecting, and now you want to drop the subject? Huh. If that’s not trolling, then tell me…what is it?

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
7 years ago

@Just A Guy:

Look guys (and gals). I suggest we drop this topic.

Hey, you brought it up.

I do think I’m on the same side as you.

Not me. I have no special concern for “interoverted and socially awkward guys having massive problems meeting women.” Unless you agree that everything you posted is unimportant and just a tad sleazy (more than a tad with the marital rape framing), you aren’t on the same page as me.

Back to the masculinist Indian guys: one does wonder what Freud would say about all of these MRAs, there’s definitely a lot of psychological mess to both the Anglo-American MRM as well as the Indian MRM shit.

Number one way not to try to get back into the good graces of WHTM; allude to psychological problems as an explanation for misogyny.

katz
7 years ago

I do think I’m on the same side as you.

…But we’ve all been saying “No, you’re totally wrong.”

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
7 years ago

The guys who are worried that … they will not get laid anymore after a certain point, are not very sure of themselves now are they?

However, if the sex does stop in a marriage, what’s a guy to do?

But I do have concern about this: introverted and socially awkward guys, even if they’re not too terribly ugly, could have massive trouble meeting women.

Huh. Walp, you’ve convinced me you aren’t trolling.

alaisvex
alaisvex
7 years ago

If someone is always saying “no” to sex with you, I’m just saying, there might be more to it than hurt feelings.

Oh, right. A man like that can’t conceive of a woman just not being attracted to him or (if she’s his wife) being incredibly dissatisfied with the sex or just being so dissatisfied with the relationship itself that she doesn’t want to have sex with him anymore. Though it could, of course, be something much less negative. Maybe she’s going through a very stressful period of time and doesn’t have the energy or desire but will have the energy and desire once she’s past this point. Or maybe she’s going through hormonal changes that are lowering her libido. Or maybe it could be anything else. But in order to find out, you have to talk about it. So basically, Just a Guy, in order to answer your question, if your wife stops having sex with you, have a conversation and proceed from there. But don’t proceed with rape. Agreed?

Just A Guy
Just A Guy
7 years ago

So much judgment. I’d think that judge not lest ye be judged would be a fair principle to follow. But seems that this “studio audience disagrees”, to quote “New Test Leper” by REM.

Well, call me a leper in that case.

Bina
7 years ago

You’re not a leper. You’re trolling. Also, you’re pathetic.

alaisvex
alaisvex
7 years ago

Just a Guy, do you agree with this: “If your wife stops having sex with you, have a conversation and proceed from there. But don’t proceed with rape”? Does “talk about it” answer your initial question?

katz
7 years ago

I’d think that judge not lest ye be judged would be a fair principle to follow.

Not if you’re suggesting that people get raped!

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
7 years ago

Oh, go take your cross and shove it, Guy. Take responsibility for your own words rather than growing a martyr complex. “You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?” Your fruits are pretty rancid; stop trying to play them off as grapes.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Also, “troll” is a bit of a snarl word at this point, I’d rather not participate in devaluing of this term.

You don’t get to make this call here.

So much judgment. I’d think that judge not lest ye be judged would be a fair principle to follow.

Awwwww, another one all snitty he didn’t get the response he was looking for. Maybe don’t support marital rape, however obliquely?

alaisvex
alaisvex
7 years ago

Katz, he’s not suggesting that people get raped, but… [insert concerns about men not being able to get sex and dates].

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

RE: Just a Guy

So much judgment.

Look, buddy. You chose your framing device. I told you how uncomfortable I was. The judgment you are getting here is minor, by this place’s standards.

It’s not that we’re all up-in-arms. It’s that you chose to segue from marital rape to men being at a disadvantage with high libido and/or social awkwardness. If you can’t understand that, then yes, you are trolling.

I’m actually sorry I engaged with you. You haven’t actually RESPONDED to any of the honest responses anyone gave you, just continued on your path.

Puddleglum
7 years ago

Ooh, can we have ‘come on, we’re all on the same side’ on a bingo card? And do we need special addition incel bingo cards? Sort of, for every 3 MRA cards, receive one incel or GG free?

Puddleglum
7 years ago

One incel or GG *card*, that is. Gods, can you imagine receiving one of these doodz?

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

Also, dude. Saying “judge not lest ye be judged” to a person who got used as a human fucktoy for a year… I’m just saying, implying that I would be doing or saying rapey things myself is a false correlation, and a deeply insulting one.

I’m sorry I wasted my breath.

Puddleglum
7 years ago

Bostonian, congratulations on your spectacular definition fail.

I thought it was just a lack of sarcasm tags that was the fail…

alaisvex
alaisvex
7 years ago

Just a Guy, the problem is that you’re equating not getting consensual sex with getting raped. Reframe your argument so that it doesn’t do that, and remember that this isn’t a dating site. But if you really want an answer, the answer to your initial question about what you do if a marriage starts becoming sexless was “Talk about it.” Does that answer satisfy you?

alaisvex
alaisvex
7 years ago

Also, if rape survivors are uncomfortable with your phrasing and your line of argumentation, then something’s wrong with your phrasing and your line of argumentation.

Just A Guy
Just A Guy
7 years ago

“Guy, do you agree with this: “If your wife stops having sex with you, have a conversation and proceed from there. But don’t proceed with rape”? Does “talk about it” answer your initial question?”

It does.

Now excuse me, I’m off to wax philosophical on Richard Dawkins in the other topic.

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