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So here’s an interesting chart. Guess what it represents?

A) The membership of the David Duke Fan Club

B) The racial breakdown of the most successful Liberace impersonators

C) The demographics of the Men’s Rights subreddit

Well, ok, that was too easy. It is of course all of the above. I’m guessing. It’s definitely C, at least, as this chart was prepared to show the results of the 2013 Men’s Rights subreddit demographic survey.

Now, you might say, well, isn’t Reddit itself a pretty white place? And you would be right. But the Men’s Rights subreddit seems to be a bit whiter — and a lot less black — than Reddit as a whole, if Quantcast’s estimates of Reddit’s overall ethnic breakdown are accurate.

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In other completely non-surprising news, 89% of Men’s Rights Redditors are men. And a lot of them are libertarians. MRAs complain endlessly that we pigeonhole them as a bunch of entitled white dudes. They’re really not doing much to challenge that assumption.

The most important issue to these fellas (and the small minority that aren’t fellas)? Survey says: False rape accusations.

Other critical issues to the Men’s Rightsers include “custody rights” (which is a bit odd because 92% of those surveyed have no kids), “legal discrimination” (whatever that means), “education discrimination” (this is a thing?), and “male disposability.”

“Male birth control” and “paper abortion,” while relatively less important to the Men’s Rightsers, each got hundreds of votes.

I’m surprised “friendzoning” isn’t at the top of the list, but unfortunately it wasn’t one of the choices. I blame misandry.

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Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Inverted carrot? But the top is wider…I don’t…

Ignore me, I can barely understand what is fork currently.

Kittehserf
8 years ago

Hmm, you’re not the only one whose brain is jello! Think carrot or inverted triangle.

Mind you a triangle-shape with feet bigger than head wouldn’t do it for me either.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Oh, I love the inverted carrot, with big shoulders and tiny hips. Especially if he’s wearing more eyeliner than I am.

Jessay (@jessay)
8 years ago

O: LOL. Nice! Quick, list me out all the Feminists who have Men as short as your dad?

If you cannot provide me with a scientific study proving that feminists date short men I’m going to continue to believe that no feminists date short men. My desire for proof of something completely irrelevant to anyone’s actual rights is more important than your personal time and energy.

O: Nah, it’s cops. And building of new prisions, too.

They’re building new prisons to house POC who they disproportionately incarcerate for non-violent drug related crimes. Good to know you support the needless incarceration of other POC.

I know, I know, read it and weep, sis. Violent crime is really low in Philly and NYC these days, and I ought to know, I’ve lived in both.

A 2% decrease is not “really low” and an increase in the country as a whole really doesn’t say much about the ability of law enforcement, to me it more suggests that criminals are spreading out beyond major cities.

O: I don’t support rape for a very simple reason – because it’s not necessary. A Man with Game doesn’t need to rape anyone.

OOOOOHHHHH MYYYYY GOOOOOOOOOOODDDDD!

So if you didn’t have game you would support rape, because men gotta get laid somehow?

the very MRA Reddit Dave and the rest of you are upbraiding; yet, your Whiteness isn’t as bad as theirs. Riiight…

When you say, your whiteness isn’t as bad as theirs,” it’s kind of a loaded statement. You’re saying there’s something inherently wrong with being white, which is not the issue here. The issue is what you do with your whiteness. Do you use your white privilege to silence POC and make them feel unwelcome in your space specifically for their race? I don’t feel this feminist space does that, but I’ve yet to see a space within the manosphere that doesn’t include at least subtle hints at racism. I know you were trying to connect our desire for you to go away with your race and not your “I know you are but what am I?” style of debate, but it’s simply not the case.

@Argenti:
“Off the top of my head, spread awareness about HIV/AIDS testing and treatment.”

O: Something which is to be commended, but which also tends to be an issue within the Gay community for the most part…

This is just plain ignorance and a dangerous mindset to spread around that it’s a primarily gay man’s problem.

But perhaps you can succeed where they have not? There are currently 325 posts on my blog alone. I invite you to present to the forum the smoking gun proof that I indeed am “rapey” – by my own hand.

Again, everyone here, do a shit ton of work to prove something to me, right now. Meanwhile, here, in this comments section, you stated that the only reason you aren’t down for rape is because you don’t need to. That’s rapey without having to read 325 posts.

Right now, you’re demanding a survey of all this website’s readers, surveys of other websites’ readers which we don’t have posting privileges on, a survey of all feminists and whether or not they date short men, and to read all 325 of your posts to point out all examples of your rapey thoughts. Come to a forum, say nothing of substance, and demand unpaid labor on the part of the regular commentators. But you’re not welcome here because of your race, not because of your insufferable personality.

Also, loling about his statement about black women being in college at record numbers, as if we’re currently living in a society where a college education guarantees you a lucrative and stable career like it did in the past. I’d love to do some research on how many of these black women are in universities or those for-profit colleges that are a complete scam. If you’re including those in your understanding of how black women are totally able to support a child all on their own, you’re completely ignorant to the reality that all you normally get from those schools is a mountain of debt, making you even less likely to be able to support a family on your own.

O: Not necessarily; what I am arguing is that people, in this case, Men, have the right to expect the media to respect their privacy, regardless as to their (past) criminal background. My argument is that not only did the media, of which Feminists are most definitely a part (Feministing, Jezebel, Pandagon), rip Ramsey to shreds over his past, but the Feminists either aided and abetted in said shredding, or sat idly by and did/said nothing – all this, while at the same time imploring Men to be shining White Knights in armor to boot(!). Out-freaking-rageous.

When you commit a crime, you no longer have the right to privacy, as criminal history is public record. When you allow yourself to become a public figure, you increase the likelihood that people will do some research on you. That’s not an exclusive “f you” to men, that’s a situation that everyone is faced with. I mean, we take beating women pretty seriously, and no heroic act undoes a past crime. Why do we have the responsibility to say, “Don’t talk about his criminal history,” and how does that relate to wanting people, in general, to help those in danger if at all possible? People are just supposed to overlook his criminal history because he did something else that was good?

And if you truly believed in the right to privacy, why do you sweep the manosphere’s use of register her under the rug, a site which puts female child molesters up alongside feminists who are just a little too vocal for the MRA’s liking?

So, let’s cut right to the chase, Jessay – let’s swap out Ramsey and put YOU, in his situation on May 6th. Would YOU, have done what he did? That would be a simple yes or no answer.

I’ll tell you that when it happens to me, because I can easily say yes right now, and I can tell you that based on my history of helping people in danger, I’m likely to do whatever I can to help, and even beyond that, my name HAS been dragged through the mud for doing the right thing, and yet I continue to do the right thing regardless. So I can guess the answer is yes, but you won’t be happy with that answer because I didn’t answer it on your terms.

In fact, couldn’t it be said that false rape charges ARE a form of racial profiling too, since Black Men are statistically more likely to be fingered in a rape case?

You’r putting the cart before the horse.

when you actually examine the Feminists, they aren’t really all that concerned with addressing these issues anymore than their MRA “brothers” are; they just pay a lot of lip service to it. Feminism in our time is still very much a White, middle to upper middle class game, as it has always been. This explains why so many Black Women have left the building, voting with their feet a long way back, because they know and understand this.

Yeah, the dozens of WOC I follow on tumblr who are posting about feminism in general, and as it specifically relates to them, don’t exist. I’m guessing you don’t do much actual research on your enemy because you’re just glossing over and erasing tons of women.

Women marching in slut walks, is that what you mean about campaigns against street harassment? How is that against men? It is not insulting to men unless they are the douche-bags that yell at strangers just out minding their own business—aka harassers.

Because if men can’t degrade and dominate women you’re LITERALLY taking away their right at sexual expression. You can’t express yourself sexually as a man WITHOUT humiliating women and crossing the boundaries they set. How dare we ask men to control predatory behavior?

O: Actually, “dating” doesn’t come up at all as an item on the official survey published by the GMP on the MRAs’ top ten list of concerns…

So why did you bring it up?

O: Ah yes, the “Going Dutch Option” – which is perfectly fine, ONLY when the Woman suggests it; if the Man suggests it, he’s a dastardly cheapskate. Ms. Jessay, may I ask: when’s the last time YOU, PAID FOR THE WHOLE FIRST DATE? I’ll patiently await your response…

Actually, the men I’ve dated have never had to suggest it because I always take the check and put my money on the table. I wouldn’t pay for the whole first date, nor would I allow the man to, because it’s not how I roll. I am not responsibile for single handedly making up for other people’s choices by paying for men. Even if I wanted to I couldn’t afford it seeing as how I get less work for being a freelancing woman in a man’s field.

for example, a common complaint on the part of Feminists, when it comes to Men in general and PUAs in particular, is that they are attracted to Women who are “conventionally attractive” and are NOT attracted to Women who are “conventionally unattractive”.

I believe the complaint you’re touching on here are men who put no effort into being “conventionally attractive” feeling that they DESERVE a woman who is, and that all men are owed a super model-esque woman. I don’t care about who you’re attracted to, just don’t act like an entitled jerk about it. And beyond that, the same men who go on and on about deserving an attractive woman get pissed at women for wanting attractive men. Wanting an attractive partner is not the problem here at all.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

RE: Jessay

*standing ovation* Well done, madame. Well done.

And as a gay man, I am LOLING over the ‘AIDS is a gay man’s problem.’ Wow, man. Just wow. Put a bow on it, will ya?

pecunium
8 years ago

Jessay: A 2% decrease is not “really low” and an increase in the country as a whole really doesn’t say much about the ability of law enforcement, to me it more suggests that criminals are spreading out beyond major cities.

Or that there was a period of abnormally high urban crime, which has returned to the baseline (this is one of the conclusions of the papers about lead, to which I linked an article. The evidence seems strong).

Dvärghundspossen
8 years ago

Oh, I love the inverted carrot, with big shoulders and tiny hips. Especially if he’s wearing more eyeliner than I am.

That is SO Husband when we first started going out (add a neat suit, long hair and long painted finger nails).

When I announced to people in my family that he was my boyfriend everyone was like (not to his face, but to mine) “but he’s gay, isn’t he?”.

He’s since given up on make-up and nail polish though.

Jessay (@jessay)
8 years ago

Either way, writing off violent crime because there was a 2% decrease in Philly to focus on the incredibly rare false rape accusation is absolutely ridiculous.

mayimoktoo
mayimoktoo
8 years ago

Dvärghundspossen – I have vanquished the WordPress dragon and have finally returned. Primarily to tell you that that’s brilliant! The asshole(tm)* really needs as much meme-time as the Nice Guy.

I might add something like “The Asshole” has also been known to hang out with women even when he knows that there is no possibility of sex. AND he still manages to have a good time. I know, right? Occasionally he meets women through these female friends and maybe something comes of that but that’s not even his primary motivation.

No wonder the MRA’s think he’s an asshole. He’s wasting so much time on all those other parts of the female. /sarcasm.

*Can’t do the tm mark yet. Heck, I’ve only recently figured out how to get wordpress to let me back in.

dvarghundspossen
8 years ago

Thanks Mayimoktoo! But credit to where credit’s due – it was Swedish feminist blogger Tanja Suhinina who first came up with the Asshole (TM) thing.

Myoo
Myoo
8 years ago

@mayimoktoo
The trademark symbol (™) should be:
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