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Female MRA argues that the real abusers in the BBC pedo scandals were the underage girls

Jimmy Saville: The real victim? (Uh, no.)
Jimmy Savile: The real victim? (Uh, no.)

British barrister Barbara Hewson caused a bit of a stir last week when she called for the age of consent in Britain to be lowered to 13 so as to end the alleged “persecution of old men” like those arrested in the wake of the recent Jimmy Savile scandal, which revealed a widespread culture of sexual exploitation of underage girls (and some boys) at the BBC in the 1970s.

Now one female Men’s Rights Activist connected to hate site A Voice for Men has done Hewson one better, arguing that the real culprits in these scandals weren’t the predatory adult men but the girls they victimized.

Janet Bloomfield, a fairly regular contributor to terrorist-manifesto-posting AVFM who is better known as JudgyBitch, writes on her blog that:

[B]asically, the girls were groupies. They wanted all the benefits of hanging out with a big star and they understood it came with a price and they paid it, perhaps reluctantly, but with full knowledge that the trips to London and the fags and the sweet weren’t free. …

And now they are claiming the MEN abused THEM? Looks to me like it was the other way around.

Yes, Bloomfield apparently feels that these poor little rich men were robbed of cigarettes and candy and trips to London by predatory teenage girls. She continues:

It’s a story as old as bloody time. Young women with nothing to offer but their youth and sexuality chase after powerful men in exchange for favors. If we are going to arrest every powerful man who has ever availed himself of willing women, we are gonna need to build a whole lot of jails.

Uh, Judgy, in case you missed the point of the whole debate here, we’re not talking about women. We’re talking about girls. In the case of  BBC broadcaster Stuart Hall, one of the victims that he has admitted to assaulting was nine years old at the time. Nine. Savile’s youngest alleged victim was an eight-year-old boy, and dozens of his alleged assaults were upon children in hospitals.

In the end, Bloomfield kind of, sort of, admits that the men may have behaved badly in these cases. But she still wants them to face zero legal repercussions.

Powerful men always have and always will delight in young women hunting them. Young women always have and always will hunt for powerful men. Both sides are equally culpable. Both sides are engaging in abuse. Both sides are behaving shamefully. Both side are being idiots.

But only one side is being held criminally responsible? Bullshit. If the girls are not going to be strung up on charges of solicitation and prostitution, and I absolutely do NOT think they should be, then fairness and equality under the law dictates the men get a pass, too.

Again, you may notice, Bloomfield cannot seem to decide whether or not these girls are in fact girls or “young women,” and in the two consecutive paragraphs right above you’ll notice she slides effortlessly between the two. Perhaps her desire to tag these girls “women” is an admission that, at least on some unconscious level, she knows what she’s arguing is beyond the moral pale.

Elsewhere in her post, she puts up pictures of underage girls whom she seems to think would be impossible to distinguish from adults. Here’s one, of a twelve-year-old model. (She also includes a creepily sexualized picture of the same model at age ten.)

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Anyone unable to tell that this is a picture of a child, not an adult, shouldn’t be having sex with anyone.

And anyone as morally deficient as JudgyBitch shouldn’t be judging anyone.

387 replies on “Female MRA argues that the real abusers in the BBC pedo scandals were the underage girls”

Be fair, you guys. It could be that Yasmine’s entire group of friends has been diagnosed with anti-social personality disorder and she just hasn’t mentioned that yet. Or it could be that she’s what you get when an MRA tries to imagine what it would be like to be a teenage girl. OMG the power! The temptation to abuse it! For no particular reason, just because you can!

The evolving nature of the story doesn’t exactly say “sincere” either.

if an underage girl CHOOSES to have sex with an over age man, she has the power to ruin his reputation and possibly jail him on a whim

Did you even read the link about how only 3 percent of rapists see jail time?

what makes you think the stats would be any different for the situation you’re describing?

Yasmine: I think someone has misread what I said. I never threatened anybody into bed. That wouldn’t work.

Then you are stupid. This is what you said I was prepared to threaten the guys with a lifetime on the sex offender register if they didn’t give me what I wanted.

So if you never did it, and you thought it wouldn’t work, why tell us (now, when there is nothing to gain from it) that you were prepared to do it?

Could it be you were trying to set up the idea that “predatory” young women could use that threat to “gain power” over the rich/famous men they wanted to have sex with?

Nah, that would have been dishonest. Oh!, Wait!, now the story changes.

if they ever tried to make me do something I didn’t want to, I was perfectly prepared to threaten them with legal action.

So it was to prevent yourself from being abused that you were prepared to threaten them. Let’s rewind the tape, shall we:

, I started having sex…and by god I wasn’t a victim, nor a ‘child’. I knew what I was doing and I was prepared to threaten the guys with a lifetime on the sex offender register if they didn’t give me what I wanted. Most definitely, I was abusing them more than they were me,

You knew what you were doing. You were prepared to threaten them to, “get what you wanted”, and you were the abuser.

As with your previous definition of “gentleman” I see a strange use of words in your writing.

I’m not saying abuse doesn’t happen, No, you are saying the victims are the abusers.

I’ve had friends who refused to date guys their own age because then they wouldn’t have as much legal leverage as with older men.

Cool story.

1 – Underage sex does not necessarily equal abuse.

1a: Show us where we said it did? (if you do what I did, you can surely find it… I used the “older comments” button and looked at what you said. Then I used the cut/paste function. To make it more obvious, I also used the html commands for blockquoting).

. Presumption of innocence applies to old men just as much as to anybody else, accusations should no be enough to condemn anybody.

Good thing I’m not on a jury, eh? But even so, I got to look at the evidence. One of the pieces of evidence is just how many young people (not all of them female) are saying they were abused. Looking at the habits of abusers (can you say grooming I knew you could).

So yes, I can say I think they did it. What I can’t do is throw them in prison. What I won’t do is pretend I have to say, “Oh well, I don’t have “proof” so I’ll just ignore it.”.

And I sure as hell won’t blame the victims, even if I weren’t willing to condemn the apparent perpetrators.

You don’t seem to have that scruple. You aren’t saying it didn’t happen, you are saying the victims are lying about the details.

You are saying they wanted the sex/attention/something then, and now they want the “fame/attention”.

And you are being dishonest about that, now that you are being called on what you said to set up the, “lying bitches” narrative you wanted to be able to spin.

Random, but “over age” is the weirdest way to say “adult” I’ve ever heard. It makes it sound like there’s an official age past which people aren’t allowed to have sex, and the men in question are in that category.

Given that she seems to think that Saville is going to suffer as a result of all this, perhaps that really is what over age means! Since most countries do tend to frown on folks of any age having sex with people who’re dead.

Yeah… Yasmine backpedaled so fast from her opening posts that she left a skidmark. And now, whenever I hear the term skidmark, I shall think of Yasmine.

I don’t even get the point of Yasmine’s post. At best we’re all going to agree that she’s a dickhead hanging with a bunch of dickheads that have no bearing on the rest of society.

Also:

Making accusations when there is no evidence to back them up is simply spiteful.

is a fuckin traumedy of errors. Making accusations when there is no CRIME is fucking spiteful. Making an accusation when you don’t have evidence is only spiteful if you don’t know that the person committed the crime (with certain exceptions obviously, but Yasmine apparently needs Montessori moral lessons). That you would argue the above position speaks to your disingenuity, and all around stupidity, and it looks about as good on you as the rest of your, supposedly relevant, character defects.

If nature has decided she can give birth – regardless of man’s laws, she is an adult.

The depth of your empathy is only matched by your understanding of biology.

So in Justsaying’s world, boys are adults the moment they can get an erection. And,what the hell, votes for menstruating 9 year olds, open the bars for them, only test required proof of puberty. After all, they’re adults now. Justsaying says so.

If nature has decided she can give birth – regardless of man’s laws, she is an adult.

Right, that’s why the right to vote is decided by the onset of puberty.

Which it’s not. And never was. And the idea that we should measure that way is the dumbest thing ever. The emptiness of thinking involved in actually putting that sentence out there makes my brain hurt.

If nature has decided she can give birth – regardless of man’s laws, she is an adult.

And yet, it is nature that decided that her cognitive development would not be anywhere near matured at the age of 13. So I think nature’s pretty down with age of consent laws.

OMG, I was an adult at 9? Why did nobody inform me of this so that I could demand that my parents treat me like one? I could have voted and had a drivers license and everything before my age hit double digits!

Trolling score – .5/10.

If nature has decided she can give birth – regardless of man’s laws, she is an adult. You can stick you head in the sand – but that doesn’t change the fact that nature has decided she is an adult and that is all that matters in the end.

Wow.

Just saying: As a man, I’ve ordered a drink to see if she passed the “carding” of the establishment, only to find out after an evening of fun that she had a fake ID and was actually a lot younger…

Cool story bro.

So 13 is probably a very reasonable age of consent

And you are a morally deficient asshole.

I’m just sayin’.

But if menarche = adult, you have no problem with them being allowed to vote, right. Adult is adult, right?

Judgybitch is just telling the truth – seems to me I remember Brooke Shields as a 10 year old looking a LOT older, so while you can take a photo of a 12 year old and make her look like a child, or a young women who is definitely looking.

If you can’t tell that this girl is too young for an adult’s sexual attentions, there is something terribly wrong with you.

As a man, I’ve ordered a drink to see if she passed the “carding” of the establishment, only to find out after an evening of fun that she had a fake ID and was actually a lot younger…

So you admit to intentionally having sex with girls you thought could be underage, but passing the buck to the establishment you were drinking in. Great. Here’s another alternative: If you’re not sure she isn’t a child, don’t have sex with her. I know it would give you sad pants feelings, but it wouldn’t be the end of the world! (Although frankly, your whole story reeks of being your sad, unrealized fantasy…)

So she’s lying, has and ID from a state agency saying she’s above a certain age, and yet I am supposed to be able to discern she is younger than that? This is just BS – it’s as simple as that.

Except no one is saying that you have to discern that. Do some 16-year-old look 18? Sure. But I have yet to see a 13-year-old, even with makeup, who looks 18 unquestionably.

So 13 is probably a very reasonable age of consent – nature has decided if they are women if they are having periods – it’s as simple as that. If nature has decided she can give birth – regardless of man’s laws, she is an adult. You can stick you head in the sand – but that doesn’t change the fact that nature has decided she is an adult and that is all that matters in the end.

Others already fisked this, so I’m just going to say ‘Ick.’ You are a terrible person, and should feel terrible.

Wait, are you JB’s sock?

nature has decided if they are women if they are having periods – it’s as simple as that. If nature has decided she can give birth – regardless of man’s laws, she is an adult.

Yeah, I’m going to have to go ahead and ask you to never have children, you horrifying little shit.

If nature has decided she can give birth – regardless of man’s laws, she is an adult. You can stick you head in the sand – but that doesn’t change the fact that nature has decided she is an adult and that is all that matters in the end.

Yay, another rape apologist who has no understanding of consent. And this time it’s a cissexist one, too!

Fuck off to the ends of the earth.

I just want to clarify here, in case I’ve misunderstood. When I was 11 years old:

– I was not old enough to babysit other children.
– I was permitted to walk alone to school, but not to be out after dark without adult supervision.
– I could not drive or learn to drive. I could have a bicycle so long as I wore a helmet.
– I could not hold a part-time job.
– Technically I didn’t own anything. All of my belongings were legally the property of my parents.
– my dad had to sign a letter stating it was alright for me to travel outside of the country.
– it would have been alright for adult men, as in men in their 20s and 30s and 40s and 50s, to have sex with me.

Please fuck off forever.

9 years old! That’s when I started menstruating. I had breasts too. Clearly nature intended me to be hit on by creepy older men. It’s science.

Every time we have one of these threads if makes me so mad because somehow in my head I expect even MRAs to be opposed to child sexual abuse. Like, sure, I know they hate adult women, but how could anyone be so sickeningly comfortable with the sexual exploitation of children? How could anyone learn about this stuff and just shrug like it’s no bid deal?

Viscaria: it’s because they don’t really see other people as human. They seem to have some significant failure of some aspect of transition out of the “pre-operational phase of cognitive development.

much of Piaget’s focus at this stage of development focused on what children could not yet do. The concepts of egocentrism and conservation are both centered on abilities that children have not yet developed; they lack the understanding that things look different to other people

MRAs are always FOR as much child abuse as possible Viscaria. All of them, every time.

I have been a teenage girl, and a sexually active one at that, but never have I ever encountered such a sociopath as “Yasmine” who so conveniently supported so many MRA tropes about sleeping with underage girls. I agree with the conclusion that “she” is an MRA sockpuppet. If this is in fact true, random observation/question: anyone else get the feeling they got the idea for the name from the BC pill Yaz? I do, and I find it highly amusing. A play on feminist stuff, MRA giggle-snort.

If nature has decided she can give birth – regardless of man’s laws, she is an adult.

Nature doesn’t “decide” shit. “Nature” is just a word that human beings use to refer to things outside of ourselves. Nature is not an entity with thought processes, plans or rules. Only idiots anthropomorphize it.

No, nature doesn’t decide anything since it’s not a person. Heck, even if “mother nature” was a real living supernatural being and she showed herself and told us that “I think the age of consent ought to be thirteen”, why should we dogmatically follow her, in this case stupid, commands?

Besides, I know a lot of dog breeders, and everyone agrees that it’s way too early to mate a bitch the first time she goes into season. I’m not quite certain how it works with wild wolves… I THINK they come into season before they leave their parents, because that usually makes them lactate, and they can help feed their younger siblings. In any case, they don’t leave their parents and start a pack of their own and have kids until they’re like two-three years old. Two years old is also an age where most bitches are considered mature enough to be mothers. Yet they usually have their first season around six months or so.

But perhaps we ought to change the Swedish Kennel Club rules as well as dog breeder’s private morality since Nature has apparently decided that bitches ought to start reproducing at six months.

I keep getting the feeling that MRAs saw the old saying that life is nasty, brutish, and short, and interpreted it as a helpful suggestion.

Btw, I was just out doing tracking exercises with one of my dogs. I’m also doing a bit of protection training with her. The reason for all this training is obviously so that I can eventually tell her to track down a man and attack him when she finds him. Then I’ll call the police and tell them that this poor and now severely dog-bitten man tried to rape me and I had to put the dog on him in self defence. Then he’ll go to prison for life, since no more than a woman’s word is required. I’m just doing this for a hobby. Like you do.

@Cassandra: Well, that’s Hobbes conclusion of what life would be like/had been like before civilisation and the state was invented. Considering the MRA dreams of an island of their own away from society, that does seem to be what they yearn for.

Heck, even if “mother nature” was a real living supernatural being and she showed herself and told us that “I think the age of consent ought to be thirteen”, why should we dogmatically follow her, in this case stupid, commands?

If there’s one thing I know about powerful anthropomorphized forces of nature it’s that they feed on suffering; how else can you explain the way mother nature treats baby ducks? Therefore any prescription she gives us ought to be treated as an act of war.

And don’t even get me STARTED on Santa Claus…

My cats seem to have forgiven me for leaving them with strangers for 2 weeks while I was on vacation. In fact, the way they greeted me was adorable, more like dogs — as soon as they heard my voice they jumped up and came running. Now Hazel’s sleeping on top of my right foot, and Buster is sitting next to the laptop with her paw resting on my right wrist. I am immobilized by drooling kitties, just the way I like it.

I know you were all wondering, so I just thought I’d share. 🙂

Apparently I too was fully adult at age 11. According to that entity Nature.

“…and that is all that matters in the end.”

No it’s not. It’s really not. Idiot.

@Howard Bannister:

“In this recent UN update, the security council unanimously decided declare war on Mother Nature, also known as Gaia, Planet Earth, the Blue Planet and or The Third Planet From the Sun. Peacekeeping forces have been mobilized to go shoot a bush”.

Here’s some bleach. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwxl_-DHqKo
[Note: The Onion video, mild humorous cruelty to… everything]

A much better response than JB’s to the problem of adult men forcing kids to have sex with them. Money quote, which seems to describe the MRM more generally, as well as the reaction to this “scandal”:

Sometimes that reaction is shocked disbelief, frantic apology, self-blame; more often it is angry, even violent. There is no rage, after all, quite like the desperate rage of those who refuse to acknowledge their own bigotry.

@cloudiah

And on that same article I find the comments of someone who thinks that most rape victims who think they are being blamed for their rape are really just deluded because trauma.

I need to stop reading comments on news websites.

The kitties used to get so sad when bf would go on a trip. He’d ask a friend to come in every day and make sure they were fed and got a little attention, but that’s not the same as having him home. I remember them mewing plaintively every time he would go to the door for a couple days after he’d come back from somewhere, like they were worried he was planning to leave them all alone again. 🙁 Poor kitties! Now if he travels I stay with them and they cope a lot better. Second Favourite Human is apparently an acceptable short-term substitute for Favourite Human.

I was staying with my former housemate back in Mar. The kitties were glad to see me (well, one of them was a bit upset with me for having been gone). After I left she sent me a photo, they were all in “my” room, sleeping in a pile, “waiting for you to come home”.

:/

One of the most heartbreaking things I ever saw happened when my mom had to drive me to my dad’s place (which used to be our family home) one day. She hadn’t been there in almost two years, and the dog saw her (or smelled her, more likely). That was probably the happiest day of that dog’s whole life. But then of course we had to leave, and she couldn’t explain that she couldn’t come back…

…Okay now I need to snuggle somebody/some critter.

Cloudiah, I haz a happy imagining Hazel and Buster!

Our kitties (all the generations) tend to be more “Oh, yeah, I think I remember you. Have you been away? And where’s my dinner?” 😉

Has this skeevy rape-promoter “Yasmine” posted here before? Zir crap sounds familiar, though given the MRM is the rape lobby, that’s no surprise if this is more socking.

Pets should be included in the divorce decree honestly. They are family members and should be treated at such.

Even my dog who drives me up the wall with her incessant attention demands gets all the attention and cuddles she needs because that is what you do for family!

@LBT

Oh hey, are there any Boobzers in Maine? Because I’m going to be tabling at MECAF this upcoming weekend! If you’re in Portland, you should say hello to me!

I don’t live in Portland any more, sadly. But I see you’ll be in the Old Port! I can probably recommend a couple of good restaurants.

I loves me some plants. I have a Olive I grew from a 4″ pot. It’s about 10 years old now. I also have a grape I grew from a cutting. The parent plant is dead now (eaten by horses).

I mailed both of them to myself when I moved.

RE: emilygoddess

Alas, I can’t really afford any restaurants. But thanks anyway!

RE: pecunium

Sneak’s gone through a series of plants, including mint, basil, airplane, and some purple fuzzy monstrosity that I can’t remember the name of. The majority of them have died at some point; zie’s currently tending zer aloe which freaked out after being left in the direct sun for a few days.

Evil Balls, can we talk about how you came into a post about the sexual abuse of children, and someone making excuses for said abuse, and you decided the important thing was to rub it in the faces of the (straw) feminists? All while the feminists were actually decrying the abuse and the abuse apologia? Yeah, we’re obviously the ones who should fuck off…

Look at all the skeevy fucks in this thread.

I could become pregnant at nine. Carrying a pregnancy or attempting to deliver a baby would have killed me.

Ovulation and menstruation =/= sexual maturity. They most certainly aren’t indicative of psychological maturity, even if sexual maturity has been reached. There are people well over the age of consent who cant consent to sex because they don’t possess the psychological maturity required to assess the risks and benefits of sex. Age of consent has sweet bugger-all to do with biology.

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