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Men may not be from Mars, but A Voice for Men wants them to get all the credit for that Mars landing

It’s a proud day for the dudes over at A Voice for Men, which is celebrating the landing of the Curiousity rover on Mars by giving dudes everywhere serious dude credit for the event, which apparently involved no women at all. Well, maybe a few. But it certainly didn’t involve any of the women in the women’s studies department at Columbia University!

Actually it would be rather difficult for that to be the case. Impossible, really, as there is no women’s studies department at Columbia. Instead, Columbia has an Institute for Research on Women and Gender, an interdisciplinary center that works in cooperation with the Barnard College Women’s Studies department.

In any case, that once sentence is the entire text of the post, which linked to a live feed of the landing.

But to make sure everyone understands the MAN-significance of this MAN-vent, the AVFM dudes promoted it with this MAN-tastic blurb on the front page. (I mean the blurb on the right, of course, celebrating MEN and their UTTER MASTERYof technology. Just ignore that bit on the left about the technical glitches that AVFM has itself been having lately.)

The comments are more or less what we’ve come to expect from the AVFM crowd. I especially liked these two, from a manly fellow calling himself ActaNonVerba.

 

His followup is a bit Anthony Zarat-esque in its utopian grandeur:

 

 

254 replies on “Men may not be from Mars, but A Voice for Men wants them to get all the credit for that Mars landing”

Black person who lives in “the ghetto” here. Yeah…not a very feminist place. Crime everywhere and all of that. So bad I’m afraid to tell people where I’m from. When I told people I lived in Compton most of my life, people are like, “God damn, man, how did you survive?” due to the city’s reputation as a crime-infested place, which, by the way, is fueled not by Feminism, but by a hugely mistaken cultural idea of machismo, along with bad economic conditions, lack of support programs (or at least, ones that are slow as hell) and a school district that is corrupt as fuck.

…you know, given how wrong NWO is on this matter, I think he will lose his shit when he discovers bell hooks’ book “We Real Cool”.

Red Locker: Compton? I was in Bell Gardens. My second stepfather was from Compton (actually from Dogtown, though I doubt that part of town is still called that).

Small fucking world.

Thing is, none of those gals in the “control room” were home during dinner hour serving a fine meal to their husbands, as profiled in my seminal Spearhead essay “A Man Wants a Wife, Not a Co-Worker”

Uh…this is self-parody, right? He doesn’t really expect us to suddenly smack our foreheads and go “OH! Of course! It all makes sense now! Feminism is TEH DEVIL!!!”, does he?

@Pecunium: Whoa, really? Wow.

Yeah, I don’t remember any part of Compton that is called “Dogtown”. Maybe it was somewhere in the 90’s? I don’t know, exactly.

…you know, given how wrong NWO is on this matter, I think he will lose his shit when he discovers bell hooks’ book “We Real Cool”

unless the ‘we’ is jedi, i dont think that’s gonna be a problem

And… now I’m thinking about what a Star Wars novel written by bell hooks would be like.

…this is either the worst thing that happened to me today, or the best.

The only Dogtown I know of in greater Los Angeles is the neighborhood near the border of SM and Venice. (But there are many things about my hometown that I don’t know.)

Hello, LA-area peeps!

Thing is, none of those gals in the “control room” were home during dinner hour serving a fine meal to their husbands, as profiled in my seminal Spearhead essay “A Man Wants a Wife, Not a Co-Worker” :

“A woman wants a husband, not an infant.” A man’s got hands and a tongue, he’s just as capable of cooking if he wants.

Also, if you want women who have literally nothing else to do with their time but clean and cook, hire a maid. That and a few middle class women have been the sum and total of women who had that kinda time.

NWOslave, if someone calls you sexist and racist, the proper response is, “Oh, well. So were all the great men of history, so I’m not too offended.” You don’t know what you’re doing with this, “No, you’re the real sexists and racists!” Your opponents are of the tradition that invented those words; you cannot wield them.

I was hoping you weren’t a complete and total tool, but I apparently raised those hopes in vein.

A man’s got hands and a tongue, he’s just as capable of cooking if he wants.

More than just capable of cooking, as owly so kindly informed us, “since all the greatest chefs in the world are men”. I guess maybe the husbands ought to be home during the dinner hour serving a fine meal to their wives!

red_locker: Try the late 50s/60s. He was born in 1947. Let’s just say his appreciation of race relations was a bit different from NWOs, esp. his understanding of MLK.

He was lucky he didn’t get drafted. Managed to get out of “the ghetto” by learning to run mainframes. That was a good thing, but then PCs came in, and the available jobs in that field were reduced and suddenly he wasn’t getting work anymore.

Diabetes killed him, at 64, because he didn’t have the sort of healthcare he needed; because white guys were somehow better than he was for a job he had decades of experience in, to their not. Maybe it was just they could be paid less, but funny how it works out that way, that the black guy is extra, and the white guys are needed.

So yeah, I’m less than fucking agreeable to NWOs shit. Christ on a pogo stick, but his cluelessness, casual racism and active sexism are annoying.

His almost complete inability, in the past year, to come up with a new idea in his attempts at vitriol is just the icing on the cake, it’s no longer aggravting, just pathetic.

@hellkell
“Jesus tittyfucking Christ,”

Good job ridiculing the faith of one billion people. Feminism is a hate movement.

Oh, ooh, can I play!?

Ok, lets see …

@Rutee “A woman wants a husband, not an infant.”

Feminism desires that all men be infantilized. Feminism is a hate movement.

How’d I do?

My Calif. history:

Bell Gardens, 1975-1978
Paramount, 1978-1979
Bell Gardens 1979-1981
Brief stint in the Mojave Desert, Summer of ’81.
San Fernando Valley 1981-1993 (Sepulveda, Granada Hills, Reseda, Encino)
Alta Dena, 1993.
Monterey 1993-94
Cotati 1994
San Fernando Valley 1995-1999 (Sun Valley)
Arcadia 1999-2002
Pasadena 2002-2004
San Luis Obispo 2004-2006
Pasadena 2006-2008
East Palo Alto 2008-2011.

I got around. For those who care (NWO, this means you, you sadsack) EPA is something of a ghetto. Routinely in the running for most murders per capita in the US. Occasionally holds the title. We had a murder happen 50 yards from the front door while I was there.

I only respond to NWO when someone else has seen fit to reply. It’s not worth my time to try to find some scintilla of the entertaining in the midst of the godforasaken crap.

for that matter, how does working class hero owlslave know about ‘the greatest chefs in the world’

I dunno, but I’m constantly in awe of the vast amount of knowledge that he has acquired, despite the feminist conspiracy to keep him down. He’s an evolutionary “Super Dog”, of sorts

@precunium: Oh, I see. Huh, knew my place had some history, but that? Learn something every day from here. And sorry for your death. 🙁 That’s shitty.

@Sharculese and @howardbann1ster: …Star Wars and bell hooks. Never thought I would see those two in the same sentence.

@Cloudiah: Oh, hey, more LA-based peeps. Cool.

“Women dominate in teaching these days and our schools are a joke. While I’m sure everyone’s well trained in gender theory, the reading, writing, math and science is the pitts.”

Spelling is also the pitts.

(NWOSlave, did I ever mention that I love you? And that just when my love starts to wane, you dive down deep and surface with yet another gem. And then the magic is back.)

@pecunium
San Fernando Valley 1981-1993 (Sepulveda, Granada Hills, Reseda, Encino)

No effin’ way–I grew up in Granada Hills during that time period. Maybe we met before? I would have been the little white girl with freckles and straight light brown hair, always reading.

I currently live in North Hollywood, just shy of Sun Valley.

Unrelated to the post, but you wanted feedback about any dubious ads: I’ve just been shown an Agent Provocateur ad featuring sexy underwear pictures. Not the end of the civilization but probably not ideally placed on a feminist site either.

So what your commenters are saying is, is Men are Weak?

Wait, what? That didn’t even make any grammatical sense to me. Could you re-phrase, please?

Karalora: It’s a small world, and only about 500,000 people lived in that part of it.

I went to Monroe, and Pierce. My folks owned a used bookstore. I know North Hollywood. I spent a lot of time at the LASFS, which was (I think it’s moved) on Burbank, between Lankershim and the Freeway.

red_locker: I knew what you meant. Thanks.

I love how men are credited with every achievement but none of the bad.

And I love how everything bad that happens in this world is blamed on Men. As if women had nothing to do with it. Remember the bitch of Buchenwald? Or Erzsebet Bathory? In the case of the Nazi’s, women were as much to blame as men.

And yes, it’s true: If it weren’t for the dreams and dedication of MEN, there would be no robotic probes on Mars. Twas another great accomplishment by mankind. Score one for the Y chromosome. 🙂

Nameless: And the computers to run… well, pretty much everything, including Curiosity, wouldn’t exist if not for Ada Lovelace and Admiral Grace Hopper.

Oh, but I forgot. Inventing computer programming only counts as a big deal if a man does it, right?

@Monsieur

Don’t you dare take credit for the moon landing because you have a Y chromosome. You are still a worthless crybaby piece of shit, like all other MRAs.

@KathleenB: Now, to be fair, Babbage would have contributed more if the street buskers had just upped stakes and left London entirely. /silly

Remember the bitch of Buchenwald? Or Erzsebet Bathory? In the case of the Nazi’s, women were as much to blame as men.

Okay, three examples. Two of them are from Nazi Germany, one from 17th Century Hungary. Is that the best you can do?

From Wikipedia:

Ilse Koch (née Köhler; 22 September 1906 – 1 September 1967) was the wife of Karl-Otto Koch, commandant of the Nazi concentration camps Buchenwald (from 1937 to 1941) and Majdanek (from 1941 to 1943).

Let’s just erase the men from your examples, hmmm? A lampshade made of human skin is the epitome of the Holocaust, and let’s forget that plenty of male Nazis kept interesting tattoos from their victims as memorabilia.

Bathory may have been the most prolific female serial killer in history. But of course, her being a woman erases all of the male serial killers in history.

And we’ll end up by blaming WWII on Eva Braun. Classy.

But your argument is countered by this: No one here is saying that women are all angels, or can’t do anything wrong or evil. There are plenty of wrong or evil women. I’ll happily concede that Koch, Bathory and $NAZI_WIFE were all wrong and evil (saving the debate over the whole concept of evil for another day).

Now you have worn yourself out (poor dear) by saying we all say women can do no wrong. That is a straw man (as we are sick to death of telling you by now).

We don’t deny that men had plenty of hands in the creation of the space program. What we are doing, is demanding that people recognize the contributions of women, and that people realize that the space program is the dream of many people, not just men.

But you’d rather sit in your corner and be bitter that women won’t give you the time of day, and it can’t possibly be because you spit venom at any who happen to venture near, can it?

@Pecunium

OMG those pictures took me back! I grew up on Ft. Hunter Liggett. I live in Marin County, now (*gasp* we moved because my mom got a job, and my dad is such a mangina, obviously–despite being a cop, which is why I grew up on Liggett, where he worked–that he moved when she landed a church up here), and I feel lucky to have lived in what I think are the two most beautiful places in CA. And if I manage to make it up to Humbolt State for school, I think I’ll have sampled all the best spots.

I just finished watching a documentary, on the National Geographic Channel, about the Mars rover Curiosity. Women most certainly worked on it. One of the scientists commenting was Jen Eigenbrode, an astrobiologist with a Bachelor’s in Geology, a Masters in Geologic Sciences, and a Ph.D.
http://women.nasa.gov/jennifer-eigenbrode/
She’s definitely qualified for her job.

EEB: Ah.. Ft. Hunter Ligget: I’ve been there a few times (more time at Cp. Bob). I love the Coast, from SB to SF (N too, but the Golden Gate marks a real change in the structure, the same way the turn to the E does at Pt. Concepcion).

If I had the money, I’d want to keep two house, one on the Central Coast (probably more like Santa Cruz), and one near New York.

The smell of sagebrush in the morning, and the whiff of dust in the afternoon, and the sprawling oaks, with the small, sharply edged, leaves. Poppies and wind, and the salt air, and the ocean being where the sun sets.

Nameless: And the computers to run… well, pretty much everything, including Curiosity, wouldn’t exist if not for Ada Lovelace and Admiral Grace Hopper.

Well, actually, they certainly would not exist if hadn’t been for Al-Khwarezmi, Charles Babbage, and John von Neumann.To be fair, Grace Hopper certainly did help a lot as she was the first to write the first compiler. And unlike Lovelace(who has been shewn to be a fraud), she was not a breeder. 😉

Rockets, on the other hand, are products of the genius of MEN.

Babbage was brilliant, but a dead end; since his machine wasn’t practical. The women who labored, unsung, in the classified departments of the Dept. of War, doing the computational work for Oak Ridge are the women who made a huge amount of modern computing possible. But no one talks about them; because they were hidden from view.

No women, no Bomb. But it’s Oppenheimer, and the other theorists; as well as the engineers who worked on the larger physical problems, who get the glory. Not the women who were doing the computing; and shaping the first computers.

The point being, it was a joint effort of men and women. Neither gets to claim all the glory, but the men are given pretty much all the credit, see above.

@pecunium

Interesting you mention Babbage, because he did invent an impractical machine, but it was lady Ada who made it work.

And Lise Meitner was in on the Manhattan Project.

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