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What better day than Valentine’s Day for a post about love? Or at least the MGTOW version of love, which is more like a mixture of lust and loathing.

I’ve spoken before about what I’ve called the MGTOW Paradox: Men Going Their Own Way generally seem to hate the ladies, but the ladies still keep giving them boners. Recently, on the grotequely misnamed Happy Bachelors forum, Marcus Aurelius — who describes himself without irony as “one of the more, if you will, ‘spiritual’ voices on the forum” — offered four partial solutions to this problem of excess lady desire. They are, in order: Porn, furious masturbation, a deep understanding of the Buddhist notion of “the impermanence of form,” and … whatever this is:

And another thing I do…when [desire]  ACTUALLY hits….like say I see a hot looking girl at work, and it starts to creep up, I actually indulge in it for a moment. I look at the woman. Think about my attraction to her nice…whatever. Then, I think about it as tho I am at the Public Zoo. Seriously. At the zoo, you will see a wild exotic animal, and you will stare through that glass in awe of this animal…..but you wouldn’t set foot in that damn cage…because you KNOW if you did….that damn thing would TEAR YOU APART. Thats how I like to look at attractive american women. Animals in a zoo.

That only works for so long, dude. Then you turn into a furry.

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David Futrelle
11 years ago

>wytch, here's an example of a feminist being critical of Dworkin:http://articles.latimes.com/1997-03-16/books/bk-38664_1_andrea-dworkin

wytchfinde555
11 years ago

>Anything else other than you as a reference? No offensive, but a sole tome is not impressive.

nicko81m
11 years ago

>David, you are a typical feminist that always has a double standard against men to help your cause.You like to jump up and down about some MRAs upvoting misogynist behaviour. Not all MRAs may do this but you make out that the whole movement is evil when you shout in your little soap box.I acknowledge that not all feminists like Dworkin, however it's undeniable that the only way Dworkin and other such misandrist feminist gained such a social status to be heard and listened to from the public was that there were enough feminists supporting her to raise her to that status and be iconic to the movement.Cases like this are far worse than just a dozen or 20 MRAs upvoting misogynist behaviour in a underground website.Cases like this shows total ridicule and irony against your crap anti-male blog

Hide and Seek
11 years ago

>wytchfinde555: Why don't you google it yourself? You're not going to believe David's research, so perhaps you would be more satisfied doing your own.

wytchfinde555
11 years ago

>"wytchfinde555: Why don't you google it yourself? You're not going to believe David's research, so perhaps you would be more satisfied doing your own."—H&SBelieve it or not, I think David probably did look into her stance and disagreed with much of her pespective. That's not my main thrust here. Incidentally, I find this wholly intriguing, because when I didn't provide links to a topic I mentioned recently (nor did I obligate myself to do it), I was called a cowardly liar by one of the misandrists. Now I'm asked to do my own digging, however.Not that would slag you in turn per se, nor do I have problems with looking things up. But the above needs to be said. Anyway, my response is that one critical examination of a hatemonger from an individual within a group that gives more support and power to a figure in that group is just not good enough. Dworkin is still revered by many of the pro-feministed minded and mass denounciations have yet to happen. Not to mention any clout she possessed didn't just come in a vacuum.

wytchfinde555
11 years ago

>Personally, I think this guy does a good job of taking Dworkin to task:http://www.youtube.com/user/jordanowen42#p/u/13/CjFBHrQ_ZkE

Hide and Seek
11 years ago

>"Not to mention any clout she possessed didn't just come in a vacuum."I think that this is true. A lot of the attention given to Dworkin comes from people who disagree with her, but she has really been made famous by people who hold her up as representative of the evil which is feminism. I've read some Dworkin, and reading it is like chipping away at a brick with your teeth, but am more opposed because she is not my "wave." She does not speak for me any more than Elizabeth Cady Stanton or Victoria Woodhull or any of the 19th century feminists. I'm sure that the MRM will come to feel the same way about, I don't know, Iron John or whatever works become your canon. Movements move forward in the areas they disagree with themselves.

David Futrelle
11 years ago

>wytch, I just posted a number of links in another topic that deal with feminism's "sex wars" and feminist critiques of Dworkin/MaKinnon et al. Here are some more:http://sitemaker.umich.edu/lesbian.history/the_sex_warshttp://books.google.com/books?id=5abYVL2eXekC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false(Strossen is a feminist.) http://books.google.com/books?id=6HhIyABmBGEC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Sex+Wars:+Sexual+Dissent+and+Political+Culture&source=bl&ots=-_sD38OxkT&sig=Aaiy1mVla6bs0BL1peTryph7odw&hl=en&ei=Po1dTaqYNInEgQeB0tTMDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CE4Q6AEwBw#v=onepage&q&f=false(the authors of this book are feminists)http://www.scribd.com/doc/6146278/Susie-Bright-The-Baffling-Case-of-Andrea-Dworkinhttp://ask.metafilter.com/60023/Feminist-porn-lovershttp://www.scribd.com/doc/16661880/The-Feminist-Sexuality-Debates-Carole-Vancehttp://tigerbeatdown.blogspot.com/2009/06/dear-andrea-dworkin.html(You might have to read the whole thing to actually understand the Tiger Beatdown post; don't just read the into section and say, oh she likes Dworkin.)

wytchfinde555
11 years ago

>David—thank you for taking your time out to supply the links. I'm burnt out from grappling practice, but over time will check 'em out. Dissent can be healthy done right."I've read some Dworkin, and reading it is like chipping away at a brick with your teeth, but am more opposed because she is not my "wave." She does not speak for me any more than Elizabeth Cady Stanton or Victoria Woodhull or any of the 19th century feminists. I'm sure that the MRM will come to feel the same way about, I don't know, Iron John or whatever works become your canon. Movements move forward in the areas they disagree with themselves."H&SYou make a good point here. (I would elaborate but I'm running on two hours of sleep and trained at the gym this evening. Ugh). What I say is that the Dworkins of the world have/had too much power and influence when they should have been under psychological care.

Julie Canny
11 years ago

>"What I say is that the Dworkins of the world have/had too much power and influence when they should have been under psychological care."I can think of MANY MRAs/MGTOWs/antifeminists that could use such care; I've even (gasp!) SEEN THEM ON THIS BLOG. Your point is?Silence them? Take away freedom of speech? Feminists PROTESTED Dworkin; many of us thought she was a nutbar. Dave PROVED THIS. This wasn't good enough for you; it's more convenient/easier to just continue to castigate feminists for allegedly even after we long proved that we *did* speak out against her excesses and her idiocies.Also, keep this in mind: there ARE NO FEMINIST POLICE. There ARE NO ideological police out there cruising feminist publications, demonstrations, universities, etc., able to pull over and arrest feminists YOU deem a threat with "too much power and influence." Andrea Dworkin had the same civil rights that you, I, Dave, Elizabeth, or anyone else had: the freedom to speak out on her perspective. Deal with this or don't!

Julie Canny
11 years ago

>CORRECTION: "anyone else **has**." My mistake.

MissWerecat
MissWerecat
10 months ago

Hey, im the werecat ?
Ok, im not sure if im a furry or not. But if this goats…uh guys think a pretty woman will rip them apart maybe there is a easy solurion. Just do it with a guy and let us alone. The problem, find a gay who is into total idiots ?

MissWerecat
MissWerecat
10 months ago

I’ve read the comments, let me say something funny…. A guy once wrote in a uh chat he’s “masterbating” ? (he needs a dictionary)
Yes, he must be a master in this XD

He was at last no bad guy, just funny

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