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>How to blame feminism for everything: Extreme Homemaker Edition

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Evil feminists oppressing a fake waterfall

Follow this simple four-step plan!

1) Find a story in The Daily Mail, that bastion of journalistic excellence, about a dumb, irritating woman saying or doing something dumb and/or irritating.

Oh, here’s one, with the promising title “Why I’d rather my daughter marry a rich man than have a brilliant career.”

Representative dumb and irritating quote:

Younger women have realised that instead of spending the day listening to some bore drone on about sales figures, it might be more fun to go swimming with the children while the cleaner sorts out the house.

2) Decide that this dumb, irritating woman is somehow a “feminist,” even though she actually mocks feminists at one point and, oh yeah, her whole life plan for her daughter is pretty much the exact polar opposite of feminism.

3) Post the article to Men’s Rights on Reddit under the title “Marry a rich man: The new wave of feminism.”

4) Collect upvotes.

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LexieDi
11 years ago

>Dr. Deezee:Because men have it pretty good right now. Women (though it's getting better) don't. I'm focusing on the rights of women because I'm a woman. However, in my fight for my rights, I'm not going to insist that men become submissive to me. I'm not gunning for my superiority.In what I've seen (and this may not be the case for all or even most MRAs), MRAs don't like women and don't think women should be equal. All of the feminists I know, including myself, focus on women's rights in the first step to equality.I totally think it's great that men want to fight for their rights. They should. They don't have as far to go as women, but there are plenty of things men should be able to do that patriarchy stops them from doing. However, no one, men or women, should push down the other sex or gender in a fight for rights.

nicko81m
11 years ago

>"Because men have it pretty good right now."ROFLYeah for sure. Think about child custody, divorce laws, women getting lighter sentences for the same crime, men taking the majority of the grunt in the recession, male sexuality demonised, males getting falsely accused for sexual deviancy because they are simply men, way harder for men to get sex, A man is mostly viewed as someone who is guilty until proven innocent, people are generally nicer to women then they are to men in public, I can go on and on.Here is something to show how good men have it. A man can't even win the lotto anymore without his ex wife wanting a piece of the pieA perfect example how screwed laws are against men in western societies.Read this sickening storyhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1331925/Lottery-winner-Nigel-Page-pay-ex-wife-2m-left-10-years-ago.html

Dr. Deezee
11 years ago

>Lexie:Then you're not gunning for gender equality. You are gunning for women's rights, because you are a woman (your own words). Feminism is very very very very rarely an ideology about equality. (I say very rarely because there are still people like Christina Hoff Sommers who are actually about equality and still identify as feminists.) It's a silly name to have for an equality movement however, considering how biased it is out the gate towards one specific gender.I'm not even going to get into the debate about whether or not men or women have it better. I already know how that plays out on this blog.

witman
11 years ago

>@Dr. DeezeeWouldn't that be like a white power organization who wants race equality?

Blackwell
11 years ago

>Dr. Deezee:"It's a silly name to have for an equality movement however, considering how biased it is out the gate towards one specific gender."Doesn't this then imply that the "Men's Rights Movement" isn't about attaining gender equality either, but about promoting the superiority of men over women?

Yohan
11 years ago

>LexieDi said… 1 -…..Because men have it pretty good right now. Women (though it's getting better) don't. …..2 -In what I've seen (and this may not be the case for all or even most MRAs), MRAs don't like women and don't think women should be equal. 1 -I really don't understand how you got this impression.About myself, my weekly working time during the last 40 years or so was always CONSIDERABLE longer than those of women (about 50 to 60 hours compared to 40 to 45).Yes, I earn more but I think it's reasonable, because of long working hours.Some feminists are complaining why I earn more… they want different income tax for men (pay more) and women (pay less)During the last 40 years I always had to do heavy work – even now near to my 60s, while a 30 year younger women will never do anything else but working at a desk…my bones are really hurting everyday and generally I am not so healthy anymore. All females of my age around me in the company retired healthy when 55 or 58 years old, I still have to work, at least up to 65 or 67, because I am a man.I know, I will die earlier, 77 or so and not as most women when they pass 85.My obligatory unpaid military time is deducted from my retirement allowance calculation, these months are missing but women will not do even one week without pay for any social services.2 -You think I have it pretty good… well, my income is for my family anyway and not for me alone, but I am not jobless and I have my wife and 2 daughters and even a fostergirl and they all are good people and thankful and help me very much when coming home late night almost every day. I can rest in my home…luckily no family problems…According to feminists, I do not like housework, I am married with a doormat since over 30 years – foreign wife of course, otherwise I would be still single – I am an old loser because I am not living in a feminist country anymore…and I am now promoting the superiority of men… because MRAs do not like women…Sorry, but feminism has nothing to do with equality. Feminism is a hate-movement.

Dr. Deezee
11 years ago

>Blackwell – Yes. There's a lot of people who get classified as "MRAs" who refuse the label, though, for that very reason.

LexieDi
11 years ago

>Nicko81m: I didn't say they have it ALL good. I know that men get bad times, but those bad times are because of patriarchy. Patriarchy says that men aren't good at parenting, that women are "natural nurturers," and that men are violent by nature and women are weak and gentle beings. That is wrong. But patriarchy doles out those beliefs every day. Feminism is working to stop that on the female front. It's not our job to work on it on the male front too mostly because WE'RE NOT MALE and we can not fully comprehend what males go through, just like males can't fully comprehend what females go through because you're not female.So if you want to work on gender equality… go ahead, I'm all for it. But don't do it by trying to push women down because I, as a feminist, and all the feminists I know and have heard of, aren't trying to push men down.Dr. Deezee: Does it matter what the group is called? I could call my self a PurpleCauliflowerist and if I'm working towards something good like gender equality, then fine. Like I said above, I'm working on the female front because I don't know what males go through. I know bits of it, but because I'm not male, I can't know the full extent. Just like you can't know, to the full extent, what I go through as a woman.Yohan: You say that you have to labor while women work at a desk. That's because of patriarchy. Patriarchy says that women are physically weak and men are always physically stronger than women. Therefore, men should do labor and women should not. I think that's bull. I have a brother and my parents always make him help move furniture. I offer to help and they stop me only because I'm a woman. That's not right, I don't like it. That's patriarchy.To your #2 point. You're putting a blanket statement over feminism. I don't hate men. I know men can do house work and take care of children just as well as many women, and women can labor just as well as many men.I don't think the world should be split by male and female, but by individual.

DarkSideCat
11 years ago

>@Yohan, "About myself, my weekly working time during the last 40 years or so was always CONSIDERABLE longer than those of women" What women? There are plenty of women who work long hours. Also, it is NOT childless women who seek part time work, it is women who are also working raising children, cooking, cleaning, you know, that traditional female work that is completely unpaid."Yes, I earn more but I think it's reasonable, because of long working hours." Except discrepancy in hours does not explain the wage gap. David has a post on this already, you could try reading it. Also, there is still the issue of in-home work that women are getting paid nothing for."During the last 40 years I always had to do heavy work – even now near to my 60s, while a 30 year younger women will never do anything else but working at a desk." The income class where women do easy desk work is not an income class where men are doing hard physical labour. If you look at certain lower class jobs, like maid and food service vs factory and construction, it is true that that latter are physically harder, but it is also true that the pay is massively higher as well. "All females of my age around me in the company retired healthy when 55 or 58 years old, I still have to work, at least up to 65 or 67, because I am a man." No, you are electing to work. Unless you can point out some sort of government of company benefit that early retiring women get that you do not, this is just whining."I know, I will die earlier, 77 or so and not as most women when they pass 85." I wonder where you are getting these life expectancy estimates. Most statistics I have ever seen put a gap of a year or two, not of a decade, and the cause is unknown as it persists in classes where men do not do physical labour."My obligatory unpaid military time is deducted from my retirement allowance calculation, these months are missing but women will not do even one week without pay for any social services." My country has no unpaid military time (even in the event of a draft, service is paid). Other countries, such as the UK and Canada, are the same, whereas others, such as Israel, require women to participate as well. "well, my income is for my family anyway and not for me " Since when do women who work not have families? And since when does women's labour not go to support their families as well?"I have my wife and 2 daughters and even a fostergirl and they all are good people and thankful and help me very much when coming home late night almost every day." And your wife's labour labour raising these children essentially alone? Women who work outside of the home, by your view, are not labouring to support their families and neither are women who work in the home. All you are really doing is asserting that work, when done by women, isn't work and doesn't deserve just compensation."According to feminists, I do not like housework" Well, I don't know if you like it, but it certainly sounds as if you are not doing it while 'resting at home'. "I am married with a doormat since over 30 years" I do not assume stay at home moms are doormats, but, the fact that she is married to a misogynist does indicate she has some trouble with self esteem."foreign wife of course, otherwise I would be still single " Back to the creepy 'western women are evil foreing women are good and submissive' line?"I am an old loser because I am not living in a feminist country anymore…" Er, I have yet to see a feminist say that not living in a western country automatically makes one a loser. "and I am now promoting the superiority of men… because MRAs do not like women…" Yes, this is what you do on every single post here.

Yohan
11 years ago

>DarkSideCat said… @Yohan, "and I am now promoting the superiority of men… because MRAs do not like women…" Yes, this is what you do on every single post here.I have to admit, DarkSideCat, that all your comments and David's blog are very useful for MRAs.Every sincere man, who reads this blog and your comments and sees the 'Enemy List next to it on the left side, will hopefully sign up in our forums.I wonder where you are getting these life expectancy estimates. Most statistics I have ever seen put a gap of a year or two, not of a decadehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancyJapan is 78 to 86France is 77 to 84Hungary is 69 to 77Latvia is 67 to 77Estonia is 67 to 78etc…

DarkSideCat
11 years ago

>@Yohan, "I have to admit, DarkSideCat, that all your comments and David's blog are very useful for MRAs." Spare me your concern trolling. Fine, you found a few countries with a wider discrepancy, but you literally went through that list and picked the widest ones, didn't you. Here's the top five Japan 78-86.1; Hong Kong 79-85.1; Iceland 80.2-83.3; Switzerland 79-84.2; Australia 78.9-83.6 and the bottom five Lesotho 42.9-42.3; Sierra Leone 41-44.1; Zambia 42.1-42.5; Mozambique 41.7-42.4; Swaziland 39.8-39.4. I want to reiterate this point "the cause is unknown as it persists in classes where men do not do physical labour". Correlation does not prove causation. There is a correlation with being male and dying earlier than females (which, if you look at the bottom of the list figures, clearly isn't true for all nations), but this does not seem linked to female equality or hard labour differences. For example, if your thesis were true, we would expect third world nations to have higher discrepancies than first world nations (as third world nations do higher amounts of physical labour), but this is not the case at all. If you look at the list, you will actually find that, on average, poor countries have a lower discrepancy than wealthy ones. The evidence suggests that this discrepancy in life expenctancy holds for the upper classes in developed countries as well, who do not do hard labour. While hard labour may explain some of the difference in life expectancy between income classes, it utterly fails as an explanation of the sex differences in life expectancy.

Yohan
11 years ago

>DarkSiteCat: …and picked the widest ones, didn't you … I am learning from David, he is also picking the wildest comments in MRA-forums and is presenting them like 'all MRAs are like that'.

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