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By David Futrelle
Professional troll Milo Yiannopoulos — reportedly heavily in debt and with his once enormous social media presence whittled down to a small account on Telegram — is apparently trying to raise a fashy furry army.
Last month, evidently hungering for some attention and possibly casting about for a new grift, Milo announced that he would be attending Midwest FurFest this year as a snow leopard, an announcement which (predictably) caused more than a little outrage in the furry community — and which probably would have stirred up similar outrage in the snow leopard community, if snow leopards had access to the internet and could work computers with their big furry paws.
Today, the Midwest FurFest organizers announced that they were refunding Milo’s ticket, banning him from the event and all their future events. “Hate is not welcome at Midwest FurFest,” an organizer said in a official statement.
In a post on Telegram, Milo says he’s planning to crash the convention along with some of his “friends.”
He followed this up by suggesting that the organizers were a bunch of pedophiles.
Then he revealed what might be his real reason he’s interested in hanging out amongst furries, other than garnering more media attention for himself: He means to win Wimbleton.
No, sorry, that’s a Monty Python reference. The real reason, I suspect, is that Milo wants the relatively small contingent of fascist (and fascist-adjacent) furries to break off from the rest of the furry community and, presumably, follow him as their new furry ruler.
At least that’s how I read this Telegram post:
Who knows what’s going to develop from all this. The only thing that’s clear is that it will be a real shitshow, as is everything Milo touches.
H/T — Left Coast Right Watch for tweeting about Milo’s plans to crash the convention
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Milo wishes he could be as cool as these guys:
Twilight Sparkle is ALWAYS best pony. Even if some people here favor Fluttershy.
I haven’t watched MLP, but from what I know from friends and my younger sister, Twilight is the best pony.
Applejack.
That is all.
Applejack does not have the big crown thingie. She does have an awesome hat.
OF COURSE he is. That’s what rapey types DO.
They DO NOT know how to hear the word “NO’.
https://backtalk.kinja.com/and-yet-the-rapeugnicans-continue-to-blindly-push-forw-1829359701
Pinkie Pie is clearly the best.
I don’t understand these people. Identifying with made-up groups, dressing up in ridiculous costumes that must be very uncomfortable in bad weather, going on an on about how special they are because they like a thing that other people did, all their gatherings where they dress up in those absurd costumes…
Man, I can’t stand sports fans.
Furries? Hey, I’d like to dress up as a space elf if I had the money and costuming skill. Whatever floats your boat.
Gee, pictures of snow leopards, but not of one of their more famous traits?
@Katamount:
As I noted before, Milo successfully got into Gamergate after having trashed gamers in the pages of Breitbart as well; he probably doesn’t consider this any different.
Of course, Gamergate also accepted disbarred lawyer Jack Thompson despite his previous diatribes about video games being the root of all evil, just because he hated the right people, so nobody ever accused them of self-awareness.
@Robert Haynie:
Sounds about right to me.
One of the things about furry fandom in general is that there isn’t a single ‘canon’, no single big publisher that establishes how things are (unlike MLP), and nobody official who can say you’re doing things wrong. It’s a lot more like old school pulp-magazine era SF fandom in some ways: a lot of the people involved are also creators in one way or another, crossovers abound because people know each other, and the boundary line between ‘fan’ and ‘pro’ can be pretty porous.
Which is rich coming from a guy who’s on the record as being pro-pedophilia.
@ColeYote:
Enough projection to run a multi-screen IMAX theatre.
Gee, pictures of snow leopards, but not of one of their more famous traits?
… snow leopards are known for self-devouring behavior?
@Robert Haynie:
They’re known for biting their own tails, yes. Well, not always biting, but at least holding in their mouth.
I believe the idea is that they use their own tails like the hairs in your nose… the blood flowing through the tail warms the air going around it, and the fur filters out dust and ice crystals they might otherwise breathe in.
@Jenora Feuer:
Ah. I see.
Which kind of suggests that one of the advantages humans have had in the evolutionary race is… hairy noses.
I am probably reading entirely the wrong thing into this.
I believe so, yes. Apparently, people with hairier noses are less likely to suffer from respiratory issues. Evolutionary benefits don’t always come from the quarters you’d expect – for instance, the development of large buttocks is believed to have been a major factor in ability to hunt, travel, etc.
Furry here, Milo knows as much about furries as he does games, given how lgbt (Emphasis on T) people have been a part of the furry community, so he really should have saw this coming, also the Proud boys are gonna try and crash it, hopefully they will fail and I’m 150% sure Milo told them because he was mad he got denied, hopefully it won’t result in a repeat of the terrorist attack at MFF 5 years ago
I call bluff.
Also, best pony is Princess Luna/Night Mare Moon
@Naglfar
Sorry for the late reply, I’ve gone back to college and the homework +exam was kicking my butt.
Anyway. Yeah babyfur is a sort of system where a furry’s fursona is a baby/toddler, or sometimes a VERSION of their regular fursona is a baby like it’s an AU, and they pretend to be babies or dress their fursuit in a baby outfit with diaper and pacifier or whatever, frequently in public situations as well. Sometimes they set up a playpen on the dance floor at the conventions. A lot of people don’t like it, but they are catered to to a greater degree than many other odd kink subgroups of furry. I do not want to kinkshame it, but would like to register my dismay and concern about the individuals that use it as an excuse to roleplay so hard that they actually USE the diapers they wear for their toileting needs… sometimes IN THE FURSUIT in the diaper, and leave the used diapers around the hotel while walking around smelling like an outhouse. I mean, roleplay however you want for sex or fun with other consenting adults – in your own home – but that’s a health hazard the general public didn’t consent to.
I could talk about the art, too, but there’s a lot of controversy about the nature and ethicality of it, because there is a fairly heavy emphasis on erotic/adult artwork in furry fandom and babyfurs are no different… so that’s best avoided, I think.
Can’t help but think and wonder if a fascist is someone incredibly self centered, not even a conservative as one might be one following their own conservative lifestyle and their system of values, involving consenting people without having to hide (definitely not the point) but just not imposing them to unwilling people, through bullying and condemning.
In the case of a gay one like Milo, he likes to pretend that gay people are left alone if they only “stay in their place”? The whole fallacious “shoving their life style down your throat” as if they ask the same discretion to straight people and that’s not why there’s no “straight pride”, because there is literally everyday and everywhere.
That or those like Milo have the arrogance to say that they are not interested in marrying anyone, so all other lgbt people shouldn’t because he personally doesn’t plan to? By this same logic he’d be pressured to marry because an individual lgb wants to, would he like it?
@Ingmar
As far as the question of wither the means of measuring wither a person is a fascist as “someone incredibly self centered”: I would honestly say on the side of “No”, because fascism typically refers to a specific line and set of social-political, and ideological thought, notions and ideals, as well as varied social, economic policies and other such systemic nuances. A person who would be “incredibly self centered” is nothing more than a simple narcissist.
Properly parsing out things in this manner specifically helps to draw clear, defined, nuanced distinctions and to accurately label and identify properly; persons, ideals, and behavior. That being said, however: it would be more accurate and a more fairer statement to say that fascism, as social-political ideology, tends to attract, enable and be home to a great deal of incredibly self centered narcissists; and I’d say that to some arguable degree this is even by design as an ideology. Plus said fascist ideals, notions, policies, ect can be made and are even designed to feed into said narcissism but this particular line is simply a case of a distinction of some tactical difference.
I can’t really speak with much definitive certainty in regards to Milo Yiannopoulos or his intentions, but from what I can parse out from his past actions and history is that he strikes me as a bigoted opportunist trying to enable the bigotries he and others have in a bid to stroke his narcissistic attention seeking while at the same time throwing fellow LGBT people under the bus to do so (in fact he is something of a militantly transphobic bigot). Heck he even wrote for Breitbart so that alone is a strong indication of, even as narcissistic as he is, his bigotries and uglier ideology are in some way and degree earnest; they aren’t just completely empty, opportunistic tools to an end. Long and short of it: he’s an empty suit looking for attention while also trying to enable the bigotry he holds personally in others who would be sympathetic to said bigotries, among other ugly stuff.
Now as far as how or why a guy like him can be both gay and yet pro-Nazi and pro-alt-right, while it is a majorly inconsistent contradiction (given that both demographics are inherently at ends with each other) does start to make sense if viewed through the auspice that this is a temporary, tenuous allegiance, or at least “cease fire” between Transphobic, Cisgerndered, Conservative White Supemsists, Neo-Nazi’s and other Alt-right, Neo-reactionary ilk and whatever gay people like Milo who hold transphobic views as a form of bigoted gate keeping for LGBT social justice advocacy.
How it typically works is that the Neo-Reactionaries have failed to repeal same sex marriage and protections for LGB people and thus see their attempts to block or roll back said gains as being either outright lost, or at least, as mentioned before: “At s cease fire”. So in order to deal with the issues Facing Transgendered People: Neo-reactionaries can and do induct the “former targets of past oppression” into their fold, or at least those former persecuted members who are sympathetic to some of their other receptive ideologies and targets, and thus induct gay Transphobes into their ranks to go after Transgender people.
The thing is though such an allegiance for both such parts is very fine, thin, sticky and dubious; and once Trans people are fully under the boot-heels of oppression and persecution of Neo-reactionaries, the Gay Transphobes will invariably be cast out in a “last hired=first fired” sort of way when the gaze of the Neo-reactionary re-focuses.
It’s kind of the same thing as how racists and ethnocentric bigots of old (and even of contemporary times if they let the mask slip) didn’t consider Italians, Irish or Slavs as being white until after the Emancipation of Black people after American Slavery was abolish and the Irish, Italians and Slavs were inducted and folded into the ‘identity’ of being considered “white people” for fear of Italian, Irish and Slavic immigrants finding commonality and kinship with freed black slaves. Though it seems the Nazi’s, Fascist White Supremacists and Eugenics adhering Identitarians and other such ilk seem to also consider those of Italian heritage (like myself), as well as Irish and Slavs as being “not white”, or “mongrels” (and I can’t tell you how much I have started hearing that in my adult life by such craven ilk, and worse).
Overall that seems to be the general observed prognosis. The Youtube channel Innuendo Studios has some very interesting essay videos but they have a video on white fascism that touches a bit on the subject that helps explain what exactly goes on in the alt-right as far as it’s ideology, rhetoric and ideals and how does the things it does and, more importantly, how to catch and identify that and how to possibly navigate and deal with it.
@TacticalProgressive
They’re also occasionally willing to let in Jews under similar ceasefires when those Jews share their other views. For example, Ben Shapiro, Laura Loomer, and Jacob Wohl. My guess is eventually they will turn on these people when they cease to be useful.
The alt-right philosophy seems to have a clause that although they hate Jews and gays as a whole, they can be ok with individuals so long as those individuals share some of their views and say what they want to hear.
@Tactical Progressive
I’m reminded of how the patriarchal theocrats are happy to ally with TERFS (and vice-versa) if it means hurting trans women, and that alliance has lasted for decades.
@Allandrel
Well, TERFs aren’t actually feminists, so it’s somewhat logical that they’d join up with the patriarchy. They actively like to reinforce patriarchal ideas on their own. The other day I saw a TERF online who was saying trans women weren’t women because they didn’t have menstrual periods. It seems pretty misogynistic to me to define women by their uteruses (not to mention of course the fact that some cis women are born without uteruses or are infertile, or the existence of intersex people with various other circumstances. I don’t know how TERFs feel about intersex people, but I can’t imagine they feel positive about them.) Over all, TERFs tend to sound a lot like right wing gender essentialists.
My mother, who is unfortunately sort of TERF-adjacent (and sometimes a bit of an apologist) complains about how trans people keep talking even though they now have some rights (but still face significant hurdles). This sounds quite similar to a conservative criticism of feminism I’ve heard, a criticism which is invalid for the same reasons.
Sorry to rant, but TERFs just annoy me a lot. As someone who is trying to figure out their gender identity and might be trans, I am very much opposed to TERFs.
@Naglfar
This true, though as sure as the sun rises and sets; the anti-Semitic Neo-reactionaries (and other co-morbid bigots therein) will invariably and without fail cast out and turn on the specific Jew’s they have inducted into their ranks once the other minority demographics that are targeted for persicution are either “put back in their place”, or otherwise “dealt with” (either via forced deportation, criminalization or outright genocide), and lump them back in as the next set of targets as the other Jew’s.
@Allandrel
With TERF’s; they, like other right wing Neo-reactionaries (or at least a fair number of more insidious sub-groups): tend to frequently get into the habit of stealing left wing sounding rhetoric to dress up their ugly right wing ideology, notions and policies. I’d argue that they are at their core right wing gender essentialists hiding in a left wing Trogen Horse and trying to conduct a psyop against left leaning centrists or anyone else who can’t see through the deceptive rhetoric.
I frankly have just as little patience for TERF’s because it’s just another form of bigotry, and in my book: bigots are just another, worse kind of bully.
Also tangentially, SWERF’s are another movement I find annoying since they are just sexual puritans wearing feminist camouflage.
@TacticalProgressive
It seems like in general TERFs and SWERFs are the same people. I’ve never met a TERF who wasn’t also a SWERF.
My biggest issue with SWERFs is that in addition to their classism (they seem to mostly be upper middle class and white and are unable to understand anyone who isn’t) they also seem to have a very patronizing view of women and seem to believe that women can’t make their own choices, which is a very antifeminist idea.
They also tend to make statements that are easily debunked. For example, my SWERF mother has stated that all porn is inherently misogynistic. I asked her about gay male porn, and she said that it isn’t. I then asked why the mere presence of women in other porn made it misogynistic, and she repeated that she would never change her mind without giving support for her position. This from someone who thinks all prostitutes are sex trafficking victims, and doesn’t realize that legalizing prostitution would reduce sex trafficking.
Whenever a TERF goes into the “don’t say TERF, it’s a slur” mode, I like to respond: “Very well, I shall instead refer to them as Feminism-Appropriating Reactionary Transphobes, or FARTs.”
My eternal thanks to whoever first coined that term.
@Naglfar
And vice-versa.
Oh, so you’re also familiar with Professional Liar Gail Dines?
@Allandrel
You told me about her a while back. It’s not just her, though. Pretty much every SWERF doesn’t trust adult women to make their own decisions. They’re unable to perceive that being a prostitute or a porn star is not that different from any other job.