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Trump of July: Open Thread

 July 4, 2019
  · 62 Comments

By David Futrelle

Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.

Well, at least it’s a day off, right? Enjoy this open thread, and try to enjoy the day.

Here’s a panda video?

Just dropped in to say hi pic.twitter.com/zw0PIYN6vr

— Fluff Society (@FluffSocial) July 4, 2019

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  1. Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile says:
    July 6, 2019 at 3:10 am

    @Catalpa

    an incident that he would have survived but that would have caused a complete rearrangement of his ideas and values, and a subsequent politically progressive, environmentally wise presidency

    If that did happen, I guarantee you that the Republicans would suddenly remember how to do impeachment.

    Cogent point. And suddenly I wouldn’t want him to be impeached.

    Reply
  2. Alan Robertshaw says:
    July 6, 2019 at 12:46 pm

    Well, now the wannabe dictator’s onanist parade is out of the way; Happy Pride Day everyone!!!

    It’s also the anniversary of the the foundation of the NHS.

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/399387492459085855/597120297941860392/0.jpeg

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  3. Alan Robertshaw says:
    July 6, 2019 at 1:26 pm

    Oh, that’s meant to be a nice picture. Ah well, use your imaginations.

    Reply
  4. cubist says:
    July 7, 2019 at 1:04 am

    The Libertarians I’ve dealt with regard “aggression” as purely a matter of physical abuse. Have asked them what they think about such fun shit as “company stores”, and never yet received any answers.

    Reply
  5. Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile says:
    July 7, 2019 at 2:59 am

    @Alan
    The link is a lovely photo.

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  6. Allandrel says:
    July 7, 2019 at 6:38 am

    @cubist

    Oh yes, to a libertarian, physical force is the ONLY form of coercion. And of course because the government can put you in jail, all laws including traffic laws are coercion “down the barrel of a gun.” (Dear bob they love that phrase.)

    But an employer threatening to destroy your ability to work in the industry that you’ve dedicated your professional life to? Not coercion in libertarian-land. Because reasons.

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  7. Alan Robertshaw says:
    July 7, 2019 at 12:23 pm

    Had a lovely meetup today with my local Vegan/animal rights group. It was primarily a social event; but of course as it says in the good book: “Whenever two or more vegans are gathered together, then they shall plot propaganda…”

    So we were discussing the various ways of promulgating the message. Everything from direct action, though campaigning, to education.

    One member of the group is a Brownie/Guides/Ranger Scout leader; so she gets ’em young. But what I was surprised to learn is that there’s actually ‘Influence’ and ‘Protest’ badges! So she just gets them to campaign and organise demos.

    Oh, and they also have this one now. In my Scouting days it was all about knots.

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  8. Dalillama says:
    July 7, 2019 at 1:03 pm

    @Cubist

    Have asked them what they think about such fun shit as “company stores”, and never yet received any answers.

    One answer I got is that the market wouldn’t let those happen and to stop arguing hypotheticals. That was a fun conversation.

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  9. Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Intergalactic Meanie says:
    July 7, 2019 at 1:56 pm

    This discussion is now making me wonder what these libertarian guys would think of an economic practice I heard was done back during the Golden Age of Comics (~1940-50’s, I believe). The comic creators would come to an agreement with the publisher about the rights and money owed for their creations, only to find on their next paycheck a statement to the effect of “By signing this paycheck you relinquish all copyrights to the Publisher for all eternity.”

    Would these libertarians consider any creator signing that paycheck so they could get food/rent money for that month to be doing so of their own free will? Or would they consider that a forced surrender of their copyrights?

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  10. Dalillama says:
    July 7, 2019 at 1:57 pm

    The former. If you really cared about your copyright you’d fight it in court.

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  11. Allandrel says:
    July 7, 2019 at 7:13 pm

    Definitely the former. Libertarians consider all signed contracts inherently fair, and ONLY physical coercion counts as “force.”

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  12. contrapangloss says:
    July 10, 2019 at 9:10 pm

    So Alaska is literally on fire and our political situation is a dumpster fire that could literally send the state into a recession, and guess what?

    Yeah, the legislature is split between two locations.

    Special session: one location doesn’t even have enough for a quorum and the other location lacks 7 critical votes in order to not let everything go to Hell in a hand basket.

    We literally have 47 hours to repeal budget vetoes that cripple education, senior care, homeless shelters (including the ONLY youth homeless shelter in the entire state), healtcare and welfare services in general, internet access for rural communities, the village public safety program (and Alaska already has HUGE public safety problems and the governor vetoes funding for the only program that even SLIgHtLY functions??!?!?) and so much more.

    I just moved out of state, but Alaska still feels like home and it’s kinda making me feel sick that we probably don’t have the votes to repeal and that the future of the university system and so very much more is in such jeopardy.

    On top of, you know, the literal fires everywhere.

    So yeah, open thread dump of “ALASKA IS NOT OKAY AND SEND HELP”

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