Roosh V: Stunned that racists are racist
Roosh Valizadeh has been having a bit of a tough time this year, to put it mildly.
He’s been condemned in dozens of publications around the world as a “rape advocate.” An Icelandic woman has come forward to accuse him of rape, according to feminist blogger S. Jane Gari. Members of Parliament have joked about his penis in the House of Commons, and now a member of the European Parliament is trying to get him and his followers banned from traveling to Europe. Jemaine Clement of Flight of the Conchords mocked the Return of Kings publisher as “King of Your Mum’s Basement” after The Daily Mail found him, well, living in his mum’s basement.
And on top of all this, Roosh has now made a horrifying discovery: the white supremacist movement he’s been trying to cozy up to for some time now is full of … white supremacists.
And they don’t much like seeing a guy that many of them consider a “sand n****r rape apologist,” as one unkind alt-righter put it in a recent tweet, messing around with “their” white women.
For a time last year, as unlikely as this may sound, it looked as though Roosh and the alt-right were on their way to becoming a cute couple. Roosh seemed to be nudging himself alt-rightward, evidently hoping to lure some of the internet’s Hitler-loving, meme-posting scallywags to Return of Kings; he even wrote a long post on the alleged evils of The Jews.
And while there were always quite a few in the alt-right camp who saw Roosh, of Iranian and Armenian descent, as the enemy — a “self hating Arab,” a “greasy Iranian,” a “degenerate muzzie” (Muslim), or worse — there were others, like Counter-Currents publisher Greg Johnson, who saw Roosh as “an ally … someone with whom we share delimited common interests and with whom we can fight common enemies.”
But no longer. Johnson, after looking at Roosh’s own writings about his past sexual experiences. has concluded that either Roosh’s stories are fiction presented as fact, or he’s a rapist, just as many feminists have been saying for months or even years.
And now Roosh is lashing back with a Return of Kings post titled, no joke, “The Alt Right Is Worse Than Feminism In Attempting To Control Male Sexual Behavior.”
Roosh is apparently stunned to discover that white supremacists don’t like men they deem insufficiently white sleeping with, much less raping, white women. This, to Roosh, is a sign that “a large section” of the otherwise unobjectionable alt-right movement
has degenerated into a collection of fearful beta males who are obsessed with controlling the sexual choices of all men and who they’re allowed to associate with.
Indeed, Roosh reports incredulously, alt-rightists believe that
[i]f you’re a white male, you’re forbidden to sleep with a non-white girl, because that is “race mixing” and goes against their race platform … .
You don’t say. Meanwhile,
[i]f you’re a non-white male, you’re not allowed to sleep with a white girl, because you’re a n****r/kebab/gook, and you must be deported from the country you happen to be a citizen of or outright killed.
What a shock! I mean, it’s not as if these guys go around the internet declaring that interracial relationships are a form of “white genocide” or anything like tha … oh wait, they do.
Roosh, who up until this point seems to have somehow missed the white supremacist elements of white supremacism, thinks the alt-right’s aversion to “race mixing” is something they only came up with in the last couple of months.
The alt right started as a nationalist movement, and that’s what many people believe it to currently be, but we’re only three months away from it being a movement primarily concerned with minimizing the sexual choices of everyone. …
If the bulk of alt right practitioners have their way, white men will not be allowed to date non-white women and non-white men will not be allowed to date white women or even flirt with them. …
Some ideas of the alt right were sound, since they offered a path for us to move forward against the leftist establishment, but that has now been lost with the added dimension of controlling who men can enter relationships with, sexual or not. …
I can no longer support the alt right, since they’re now mostly under the control of the mob.
Adding yet another level of irony to the already heaping mountain of irony here, Roosh complains that the evil alt-right has been seducing vulnerable men with pretty lies:
They will seduce discontented men with white identity and white pride, allowing them entry into the club based primarily on skin color, and then pull the switcheroo and grossly limit their behavior in a way that is worse than feminism.
Yep, that’s’ right. Roosh is so regretful that he ever lay down with the alt-right in the first place that he’s starting to wonder if feminism might serve horny men better than the movement he until recently supported:
The alt right is becoming so authoritarian that a man may actually be happier as a male feminist and sleeping with blue haired freaks with Skrillex haircuts than having all his sexual and friendship choice subject to approval by the alt right mob.
But don’t worry! Roosh is not giving up any of his old bigotries. While complaining about the alt-right’s racism, at least so far as it might interfere with his choice of who to put his penis in, Roosh complains that his new enemies aren’t bigoted enough against gays. After denouncing Johnson of Counter-Currents as an anal-sex having homosexual (I have no idea if that’s true or not), he complains that alt-righters will
go on and on about the Jewish question—and attack you if you don’t—but ignore discussion of the “homosexual question” and its role in wrecking societies.
Roosh’s most surreal accusation? After noticing that Johnson had apparently found some of the most damning quotes from Roosh in a post of mine (!), he asked in a Tweet if Johnson and I were “working together,” an accusation so ridiculous that Roosh might as well have accused me of boiling and eating kittens. (For the record: I’m not working with Johnson or any others of his ilk; indeed, I only learned of Johnson’s denunciation of Roosh from Roosh’s own post on the subject. Also, I have never boiled or eaten even a single kitten.)
But I can’t say I don’t enjoy the spectacle of Roosh and the alt-right trading insults and attacking one another for blindingly obvious things they somehow managed to overlook about one another until now.
In a response to Roosh’s angry post, Johnson has put up another post of his own mocking “cuckold porn-monger Roosh ‘the Doosh’ Valizadeh” for not realizing that a racist movement was full of racists. And then he declared war:
As Andrew Anglin astutely observed, Roosh sells interracial cuckold porn — and tweets about cuckolding white men — to legions of adoring White Nationalist followers. I don’t know what’s worse: the obscenity of this situation or the absurdity. But it needs to end. Now that Roosh has declared “I can no longer support the alt right,” it is time for the Alt Right to return the favor.
I’ll just be sitting here eating popcorn.
@Katz
I think that’s a little premature. I agree that Jenny appears to be spamming, but they explained in a previous thread that the multiple post thing was because the posts weren’t showing up at first.
Jenny, I would suggest maybe engaging in the conversation rather than the kind of singular focus you have going on where you post a bunch of evidence about Roosh. And maybe look in the archives to see if David has already posted stuff before spending so much time compiling a list of stuff we already know. You’re preaching to the choir. 🙂
Roosh has always reminded me of a well-used, sentient mop actually.
As a human being, he is a stain on the species. As far as mops go though, he’s exceeded the expectations I normally hold for cleaning implements. Barely.
At least put the stuff about Roosh in link form and contain it to one post. It’s hard to read the thread always having to scroll past multiple screen shots.
Hmmm… reminds me of something… *hits the Oglaf wiki*
Oh, yeah:
For a hundred generations my fathers have kept the bloodline pure. Free from woman’s taint
LindsayIrene:
I say if you try to stick your dick in a woman’s taint, you’re doing it wrong.
I’m relatively new here, and not 100% up on the terminology, does alt-right mean ‘right wingers who own up to being fascists’, or is it more specific?
@Dalillama
Pretty much. In my experience, alt-right means you say “dindus” in public in addition to saying the n-word in private.
I’m also kinda fed up with Jenny’s spamming in various threads. She’s not really saying anything we didn’t already know, and she’s adding nothing other than spamming about Roosh. She doesn’t seem to be interested in communicating in non-spam form either. Jenny, either stop doing what you’re doing, or do it elsewhere.
I was the source to the Daily Mail exposing the fact that Roosh deleted his initial teachings to men called “No means Yes”
in which he admitted to actually raping 2 girls
I checked the archive dot is, and very few of Roosh’s hateful teachings in which actually he admits and instructs othe rmen to committ rape because “rape is normal male behaviour” are save dand archived, so I started archiving most of them,
but I also have 2 daughters and a family, so it would be really cool if others will do this as well
Of course there are 1% of us
who already saw all of these evidences from Roosh’s past, but there are also many others who are seeing for the first time and understanding why exactly is Roosh a serial rapist who should be behind bars:
And few archives that I found useful so far:
http://imgur.com/a/738c0
http://imgur.com/a/CPigZ
http://imgur.com/a/TzL0P
I’ve emailed David about this just now.
I’m pretty sure Jenny is a bot because they’ve been spamming every thread that mentions Roosh.
I am surprised he actually realized that the white supremacist crowd is a bunch of racist people.
@Jenny:
Thank you for archiving and researching this. However, the comments on someone else’s blog may not be the best place for this research. Why not start your own, or put them up on tumblr? That way it’s easy for us to link people to that collection of information, and it also doesn’t disrupt conversation here.
I second tumblr. It’s free and would get a lot of young people’s attention.
Re Jenny’s posts: some of us haven’t read the books, don’t want to visit ROK or the dark recesses its forums, or keep track of whatever Roosh regurgitates on twitter (For obvious reasons, nor do I want that on my IP history.)
@Bryce: Yeah, that’s very true, but Jenny’s disrupting conversation here with shit a lot of us already know because David has covered it. Just saying “Well, I didn’t know that, and I didn’t want to go looking for it!” isn’t a defense for just up and disrupting the whole conversation with spamming of large images and possibly triggering stuff. Some of us don’t want to talk about Roosh’s Rap Sheet of Disgusting Human Behavior.
I agree with EJ (TOO), it’d be a lot easier on us if they made a tumblr or something and kept their receipts there and just linked us to it. I appreciate the thought behind it, but it needs to be done carefully instead of just blasting us all with it repeatedly and expecting us to not get annoyed.
Some white nationalists would classify Persians as “white” (or “honorary white”) and others wouldn’t. But most wouldn’t like the rape apologia even if they could accept Roosh as “white.”
Roosh attacking the alt-right for not being anti-gay enough reminds me of something else.
Several authors who have criticized the alt-right (including Jay Nordlinger) have suggested that their artwork and aesthetic has homoerotic overtones. (Remember that Tweep named “Fashy Neko”? Neko is apparently slang for the “bottom” in a homosexual relationship. Maybe that wasn’t an accident). There is definitely something campy about that subculture.
I don’t think this means all, or most, of them are actually gay. Maybe they’re like the guys in Jane Ward’s book; guys who for some reason don’t have success with women, but are definitely not gay, so they go out of their way to show how “not gay” they are…by having sex with each other.
Or perhaps it’s just a mean-spirited parody (there are some people who hold gays in contempt, but view them more as comic relief than anything else, so pretending to be gay “for the lulz” is something they might do).
Campiness and kitsch were features of the original fascist movements too; despite how homophobic the Nazis were, there was also things about Nazi aesthetic sensibilities that would definitely appeal to some gay men. There was an all-gay neo-Nazi party that existed during the height of the disco era and drew most of its membership from the leather subculture.
Perhaps, just as Nazi aesthetics appealed to some gay men, there might be some neo-Nazis who have a similar admiration for homoeroticism, “camp” and gay culture despite not actually being gay.
Um, Hit, please tell us what those views you are sympathetic to are.
Oh, did I miss a funny drive-bye? I think this was my favorite
What was the point of even bringing that up and why does Hit know which specific nightclubs Roosh goes to and how do they know what all the top nightclubs in every city are? I actually don’t know what the top nightclubs in my own city are.
Okay, so — maybe Roosh’s confusion over “why are these alt-righters pissed off at me” might be explained not just overt ignorance over what the fuck they are spouting, but also what he may have learned in his life.
I mean, these alt-righters are so hot about being proper, pure-blooded Aryans, right?
Well… it just happens that “Iran” is a Modern Persian derivative from the Proto-Iranian term Āryānam, meaning “land of the Aryans.” So by definition he’s a nice, proper, pure-blooded Aryan, right?
No. Of course not. Modern day Neo-Nazis have mangled the meaning even further.
Second, anyone who is gay and a Neo-Nazi should really, really, really read about The Night of Long Knives and think hard about the fate of Ernst Röhm. And then, seriously walk away from Nazi ideology, because gay people will be the first ones to fall (in one way or another) once they have enough warm bodies in their ranks.
@Skiriki
‘Aryan’ an linguistic/ethnic category was co-opted by 19th Century race theorists such as Arthur Gobineau. It became synonymous with Nordic.
Neo-Nazis generally consider Persians along with Punjabi peoples as mixed descendants of the original Aryans (which were all apparently fair-skinned and Scandinavian looking, if you can believe something that ridiculous).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjbPi00k_ME
Maybe Roosh and his ilk really come from a parallel universe where women are the worst and white supremacists aren’t racist. It would explain why they are so often confused and infuriated that reality is reality.
Bryce:
Yep, as noted in one of my links, and also known by me; I’ve had some hilarious convos with someone I know and who is of Iranian origin about this particular topic (as it came up as an aside when the lot of us were swearing about the rise of right-wing ideology in our neck of woods).
Thing is, by now, local Neo-Nazis have tossed the concept of “mixed Aryan heritage for Persians and Punjabi” away, and straightforwardly categorize them as “definitely not”. It is pretty funny how this concept keeps tightening up… soon, I’m sure that there’s gonna be like two or three lonely dudebros who can say they are definitely “pure” and no one else is.
I’m sure Roosh would be an extremely racist white supremacist (pleonasm, I know) who would preach white people should only have sex with other white people if only he was white.
I also love when he says they are “obsessed with controlling the sexual choices of all men and who they’re allowed to associate with”, when he does that all the time to women… but then it’s alright as long as it’s only women being controlled, I guess.
All this conversation sounds way too weird.
And now he just found something he sees as WORSE than feminism! How could that ever be?! Feminism = Sl*ts and the cock carousel = Female autonomy = DIVORCES! = Misandryyy~ = The end of the Traditional Family = LGBT freaks being accepted as “normal people” = The end of our civilization! Isn’t it?
I can’t.
Whuh, was Roosh talking about me? I currently have blue hair AND a sidecut. Also my feminist boyfriend seems happy as a clam to be with me (as I am to be with him)
Life’s pretty good on this side.
So, scum doesn’t like other scum if they are scummy in a different way? Who would have thought?
He shouldn’t be too shocked though, rapist and racist might just be one letter difference, but so s XX and XY. And that, according to Roosh, makes a huge difference, especially concerning human rights and such.
Idiot. What an idiot.
Fascists always end up devouring themselves.
Either my iPhone/Instagram is on the blink or Doosh has deleted all his Instagram posts. Not sure which, yet.
I think it’s the former.
nope, the douche didn’t delete his instagram.
from his last massmedia campaigns Douche obtained brand new 700 followers on Instagram and about 850 millions people knowing the danger he is and hating him.
The Douche V posted new pictures from Eastern Europe (probably Poznan, Poland) crying that’s the winter is cold there
The most lulzy part about the “White nationalist” Roosh fandom is their support for race-mixing.
“I´m a dude, so it´s not really race-mixing.”
“Asian women are your allies, White man.”
Unsurprisingly they are usually major lulcows.
OGLAF!!!!!!!!! Such a great site.
Roosh V has tapped into a very sensitive market. Firstly, it is well known that feminism (in all forms) has done more to desecrate American tradition and value system than any other collectivist movement. Roosh V is correct on this, and he has been successful by tapping into and developing a following of American men wronged by this collectivist movement in society, Who has also tapped into, is the PC key-board nerd, fat-balding, comb-over loser with their best days behind them, and the infamous bugger-picking benchwarmer (sorry, that last one was a little gross). In short, Roosh V travels through Eastern Europe, articulating which countries are easiest for the underbelly of our “men” population to get laid. It is sad really. He identifies countries economically struggling, as targets for his bugger-harvesting lot of benchwarmers. I visited his forum the other day to see what the raucous was all about, and it was “revenge of the nerds” on steroids. It would have been hysterical, were it not such a pathetic lot, and quite sad honestly. If they only realized how Roosh laughs and exploits them. What I found interesting, Roosh, King of the booger-eaters could not get laid in the Ukraine?! LOL, this is the first I have heard of a young America man traveling to Eastern Europe and being unable to score a woman. Then – he writes a book about his total failures in Ukraine (Bang Ukraine), and his blind band of misfits buy it. I would laugh were this not so pathetic. I was an engineering consultant in Kiev, Ukraine for 1-1/2 years involved in the planning and design of the Ocean Plaza Mall and can assure you that there were many young American men on my team dating a different lady every week, without even making an effort. Considering Roosh V spends all his time traveling 3rd world countries begging for a blow-job, and from what I can tell has only succeeded twice, should send up flares that this gentleman is the poster boy of loser. I believe some big schnozed Polish woman from Warsaw took mercy on him (Sheldon Cooper could get laid here for crying out loud). Worse however, are those who follow him. The common target Roosh V offers is feminism, again, no one will argue that feminism will ultimately be the death of the west. However, Roosh preying on those adversely affected by this disease, makes him nothing more than the worst of bottom-feeders.
Roosh is mad that the white supremacists aren’t hypocrites like him. Even white supremacists are better than him.
Persian + Armenian ? Ehhh, technically white, but near the threshold of whiteness(https://twitter.com/ztech1979/status/935718200184066048). But Roosh should have been smart enough to know he’s not white enough, to be a white supremacist.